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Sounds like a workaround rather than a fix. What kind of framerates are you people getting with the mouse issues?
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 21:39 Post subject: |
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Jesus dude.. I'VE got a 3 year old rig and even I'm getting nigh-flawless performance. 1680, max settings, FXAA High, vsync, locked at 60fps. Loading times are goddamn hideous, anywhere from 40-60s even on a quickload, but the game itself is fine. Mouse feels fine on default, no tweaking needed.
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 21:40 Post subject: |
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 Spoiler: | Well I played through the second mission, saved the hostages from the bomb, saved the senior manager from the mexican, let mexican go, did it all without ever being found, taking anyone down or killing anyone, I got ghost rating and I explored as much as possible. |
Didn't get a single praxis point though.
It would be nice if someone who has a legit copy could tell me how many, if any, points you're supposed to get at that point. |
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 21:41 Post subject: |
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No go here. Copied the crack over and nothing happens at all when I run the exe. Odd.
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 21:43 Post subject: |
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I get the memory error then it does nothing
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 21:45 Post subject: |
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What torrent site is the best to use. Pirate Bay doesnt seem to have the correct items.
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 21:49 Post subject: |
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I'm getting random hangups with the ALI123 crack, specially when accessing the tutorial bits.
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 21:49 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Loading times are goddamn hideous, anywhere from 40-60s even on a quickload, but the game itself is fine. |
Same here. How are people getting below 10 second loading times? sausje mentioned its also CPU and ram dependent but Im running on 4GB 1690Mhz RAM and an i7 930 at 4.42Ghz
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 21:53 Post subject: |
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| Epsilon wrote: | | Spoiler: | Well I played through the second mission, saved the hostages from the bomb, saved the senior manager from the mexican, let mexican go, did it all without ever being found, taking anyone down or killing anyone, I got ghost rating and I explored as much as possible. |
Didn't get a single praxis point though.
It would be nice if someone who has a legit copy could tell me how many, if any, points you're supposed to get at that point. |
There's a praxis kit to be found right before the turret, if my memory serves.
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 21:53 Post subject: |
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I used the "fixed" 3DM crack and didn't get a Praxis point when I made it into the ducts in the first mission. Gonna have to try the Ali213 crack.
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 21:58 Post subject: |
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| timechange01 wrote: | | sabin1981 wrote: | | Loading times are goddamn hideous, anywhere from 40-60s even on a quickload, but the game itself is fine. |
Same here. How are people getting below 10 second loading times? sausje mentioned its also CPU and ram dependent but Im running on 4GB 1690Mhz RAM and an i7 930 at 4.42Ghz |
About dat, someone did tests and concluded:
| Quote: | After having similar issues to everyone else, I started doing some monitoring to see if I could pinpoint the source of the problem. I originally held my data on a regular HDD and experienced 40 second save load times and 10 second level load times. I migrated over to an SSD and experienced the same thing. I then ran Performance Monitor to see exactly what is going on.
Loading a level from a save
Loading a level by walking into it
In each case the solid black line represents disk operations per second. The lighter line underneath it is MB of data read per second. What you should notice is that aside from the spike at the start of the save loading one they look almost identical, exact just a little spread out. On average I seem to be making 50 file loads per second at an average rate of 5MB/s. Intrigued by this near constant rate of file load, I loaded up fraps and redid all of my loads. Much to no surprise, I held steady at almost a constant 50fps in both scenarios. I saw that some people had success with disabling vsync, but even that kept me at 50fps (frames AND files per second). Given all this, it seems safe to agree with the general consensus that the frame rate of the loading screen is an issue. What could be happening is that every frame the process spews out another fileIO request. However this does not explain why (some of us at least) see the same thing happening even with vsync forced off. In addition it is extremely odd that the constant is 50fps despite having a refresh rate of 60hz. Alternatively, the problem could be the reverse, i.e. Its sending out file requests at its constant rate of 50fps, and every time it gets a file back, it syncs the screen and waits for that sync to finish before sending off another request. The reason vsync helps some people is that the fileIO is handled differently depending on hardware, and the people it helped were getting more than my 50 for some arbitrary reason. It would be interesting if one of you who had v-sync fix it could post your loading fps with and without.
As a random extra datapoint, I rebooted my computer from Windows 7x64 into xp x86 and tried running the game then with vsync off (I probably should try it on too....). This time I had 100fps during loading screens and it loaded twice as fast.
tl;dr
The game is reading files as fast as the screen refreshes. Refresh the screen faster please.
EDIT:I have just performed the same tests on my XP partition. Without vsync I got 100fps and ~80 files per second. With it I get 60fps, for f=frames AND files. Dear Eidos, you officially have TWO problems:
1. For some reason you decided to spawn 100 fileIOs/s on my XP partition but only 50 on my 7 despite having identical hardware. This should either be consistent or swapped (allowing more IOs because of 64bit architecture and what have you). Either way, they should both be WAY higher, neither has me anywhere near load.
2. You are only processing one fileIO once every frame. You should be checking all of them each frame, or make this independent. People who fixed it by disabling vsync had more IOs than frames, people like me had more frames than IOs so vsync won't help.
Feel free to send me a check in the mail for my consulting work, with an extra 50% because you wouldn't even give me the source I was debugging. |
Basically for some weird reason the engine is sending IO requests according to the framerate of the loading screen!! For example if you have enabled Vsync and the framerate of the loading screen is 60fps, it's going to spawn 60 IOs/s. If you don't use Vsync and the framerate is let's say 105fps, it's going to spawn 105 IO/s.
So as an experimental workaround disable Vsync to speed up the loadings..
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 21:59 Post subject: |
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| Epsilon wrote: | | Spoiler: | Well I played through the second mission, saved the hostages from the bomb, saved the senior manager from the mexican, let mexican go, did it all without ever being found, taking anyone down or killing anyone, I got ghost rating and I explored as much as possible. |
Didn't get a single praxis point though.
It would be nice if someone who has a legit copy could tell me how many, if any, points you're supposed to get at that point. |
I recall having 2 points available at the very least after completing the hostage situation.
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 21:59 Post subject: |
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@sabin & timechange:
I don't know how often you guys do software maintenance but I keep mine in tip-top condition all the time. Maybe try defragmenting your drives for starters. If you can't wait use WinContig to just defrag one specific directory - game dir. If it reports that it hasn't got enough free sequential clusters then its defo time to do a complete defrag.
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 22:03 Post subject: |
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@consolitis: Well fuck me, I always keep VSync OFF but in this particular game screen tearing was killing my mind so I turned it on...
Load times really do decrease when framerate goes up!
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 22:04 Post subject: |
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Can anyone confirm that the leaked beta=the first few levels in full game? I want to use my save from beta but I'm afraid of skipping some parts by doing so.
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 22:05 Post subject: |
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You should only need to defrag a HD if you are installing and uninstalling programs all the time....files shift around from use ...don't defrag if you haven't changed anything.....waste of time....
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 22:05 Post subject: |
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| recapture wrote: | | Can anyone confirm that the leaked beta=the first few levels in full game? I want to use my save from beta but I'm afraid of skipping some parts by doing so. |
It's the same, but beta saves don't work AFAIK.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 22:06 Post subject: |
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| recapture wrote: | | Can anyone confirm that the leaked beta=the first few levels in full game? I want to use my save from beta but I'm afraid of skipping some parts by doing so. |
It won't work. Just start over.
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 22:07 Post subject: |
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Steam just downloaded a small patch.....
This latest patch addresses:
A frequent issue for AMD/ATI hardware users that can cause the game to crash on startup.
Improvements to loading speed. The speed increase depends on machine spec and settings, but loading time improvements of over 50% have been measured on some machines.
Some control fixes:
Diagonal movement is no longer faster as intended.
Adjustments have been made to mouse sensitivity in response to user feedback.
Mouse sensitivity for X and Y axis can still be configured separately, but is now consistent when set to default settings.
The range of settings for mouse sensitivity has been adjusted to provide for more accurate adjusting.
The default mouse sensitivity has been altered to be somewhat less sensitive.
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 22:07 Post subject: |
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| Epsilon wrote: | | Spoiler: | Well I played through the second mission, saved the hostages from the bomb, saved the senior manager from the mexican, let mexican go, did it all without ever being found, taking anyone down or killing anyone, I got ghost rating and I explored as much as possible. |
Didn't get a single praxis point though.
It would be nice if someone who has a legit copy could tell me how many, if any, points you're supposed to get at that point. |
I'd say about ~3-5, depending on how you took out guards and how much you sneaked and how may ghost ratings you had. You should have had at least one from some pick up, but then with hacking and reading logs and PCs and data pads, XP comes. Then at the end you get some good points for finishing the tasks.
Why not just use a VPN? That's how I play, albeit not with a free one. |
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 22:10 Post subject: |
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| Thenjhar wrote: | Steam just downloaded a small patch.....
This latest patch addresses:
A frequent issue for AMD/ATI hardware users that can cause the game to crash on startup.
Improvements to loading speed. The speed increase depends on machine spec and settings, but loading time improvements of over 50% have been measured on some machines.
Some control fixes:
Diagonal movement is no longer faster as intended.
Adjustments have been made to mouse sensitivity in response to user feedback.
Mouse sensitivity for X and Y axis can still be configured separately, but is now consistent when set to default settings.
The range of settings for mouse sensitivity has been adjusted to provide for more accurate adjusting.
The default mouse sensitivity has been altered to be somewhat less sensitive. |
Shame all those bugs were in the press leak as well and they remained unfixed for so long, but at least they are doing a fine job supporting the product post-launch. Bravo! 
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 22:10 Post subject: |
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I can confirm that framerate DOES impact loading speed. I disabled vsync and, at 160fps during loading, the loading times dropped from 40s to 6s. I'll check out the new patch, see how much better it is with that =)
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 22:11 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | | timechange01 wrote: | | sabin1981 wrote: | | Loading times are goddamn hideous, anywhere from 40-60s even on a quickload, but the game itself is fine. |
Same here. How are people getting below 10 second loading times? sausje mentioned its also CPU and ram dependent but Im running on 4GB 1690Mhz RAM and an i7 930 at 4.42Ghz |
About dat, someone did tests and concluded:
| Quote: | After having similar issues to everyone else, I started doing some monitoring to see if I could pinpoint the source of the problem. I originally held my data on a regular HDD and experienced 40 second save load times and 10 second level load times. I migrated over to an SSD and experienced the same thing. I then ran Performance Monitor to see exactly what is going on.
Loading a level from a save
Loading a level by walking into it
In each case the solid black line represents disk operations per second. The lighter line underneath it is MB of data read per second. What you should notice is that aside from the spike at the start of the save loading one they look almost identical, exact just a little spread out. On average I seem to be making 50 file loads per second at an average rate of 5MB/s. Intrigued by this near constant rate of file load, I loaded up fraps and redid all of my loads. Much to no surprise, I held steady at almost a constant 50fps in both scenarios. I saw that some people had success with disabling vsync, but even that kept me at 50fps (frames AND files per second). Given all this, it seems safe to agree with the general consensus that the frame rate of the loading screen is an issue. What could be happening is that every frame the process spews out another fileIO request. However this does not explain why (some of us at least) see the same thing happening even with vsync forced off. In addition it is extremely odd that the constant is 50fps despite having a refresh rate of 60hz. Alternatively, the problem could be the reverse, i.e. Its sending out file requests at its constant rate of 50fps, and every time it gets a file back, it syncs the screen and waits for that sync to finish before sending off another request. The reason vsync helps some people is that the fileIO is handled differently depending on hardware, and the people it helped were getting more than my 50 for some arbitrary reason. It would be interesting if one of you who had v-sync fix it could post your loading fps with and without.
As a random extra datapoint, I rebooted my computer from Windows 7x64 into xp x86 and tried running the game then with vsync off (I probably should try it on too....). This time I had 100fps during loading screens and it loaded twice as fast.
tl;dr
The game is reading files as fast as the screen refreshes. Refresh the screen faster please.
EDIT:I have just performed the same tests on my XP partition. Without vsync I got 100fps and ~80 files per second. With it I get 60fps, for f=frames AND files. Dear Eidos, you officially have TWO problems:
1. For some reason you decided to spawn 100 fileIOs/s on my XP partition but only 50 on my 7 despite having identical hardware. This should either be consistent or swapped (allowing more IOs because of 64bit architecture and what have you). Either way, they should both be WAY higher, neither has me anywhere near load.
2. You are only processing one fileIO once every frame. You should be checking all of them each frame, or make this independent. People who fixed it by disabling vsync had more IOs than frames, people like me had more frames than IOs so vsync won't help.
Feel free to send me a check in the mail for my consulting work, with an extra 50% because you wouldn't even give me the source I was debugging. |
Basically for some weird reason the engine is sending IO requests according to the framerate of the loading screen!! For example if you have enabled Vsync and the framerate of the loading screen is 60fps, it's going to spawn 60 IOs/s. If you don't use Vsync and the framerate is let's say 105fps, it's going to spawn 105 IO/s.
So as an experimental workaround disable Vsync to speed up the loadings.. |
YOU ARE SO FUCKING RIGHT!!!!!!
I had both Nvidia vsync enabled and also the ingame vsync enabled. Nvidia vsync limits my fps to 120fps and the ingame vsync was set to 119fps.
I just turned off the in-game vsync ONLY, and the framerate is still limited to 120fps due to the Nvidia vsync but it loads the fucking fastest!!!! Like literally 3 to 4 seconds. HAY SABIN TRY THIS SHIT IT WORKS!!!
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 22:11 Post subject: |
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As far as the loading times it only takes me about 20 seconds if that and I don't even have a solid state drive. I'm not sure what kind of setups people have who are complaining about load times, but their computers probably suck.
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 22:11 Post subject: |
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Just tried it mate - and yep, it works! From 40s to 6s ^_^
| zenryou wrote: | | As far as the loading times it only takes me about 20 seconds if that and I don't even have a solid state drive. I'm not sure what kind of setups people have who are complaining about load times, but their computers probably suck. |
Trololol.
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 22:12 Post subject: |
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The game just updated on Steam for me, very small download it was.
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 22:12 Post subject: |
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| zenryou wrote: | | As far as the loading times it only takes me about 20 seconds if that and I don't even have a solid state drive. I'm not sure what kind of setups people have who are complaining about load times, but their computers probably suck. |
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TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2011 22:13 Post subject: |
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Yup. And that's why I'm preloading it right now.
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