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sTo0z
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PostPosted: Tue, 17th May 2005 21:47    Post subject:
pallebrun wrote:
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So would a sequel, a REAL sequel... Why oh why are companies so blind to what people want. Sad


Yeah a sequal would mean even more money indeed.
They are quite dumb for not making it in my opinion. I mean, they could make a sequal to the average game FFX and FFX is not even in the same league as FF7, so I really dont see what the problem is.....:/
Maybe they personally didn't like FF7?

Although, I wouldn't dismiss the idea of a real sequal. Square is making a shitload of FF7 games (not rpg's though) for various system so maybe they have a surprise for us? Smile


Same deal for Shining Force lately.

Shining Force 2 has got to be one of my all time favorites, everytime I see a new SF title I nearly die of excitement... until I click and read and it's ANOTHER action/rpg. *cry*
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drhansson




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PostPosted: Tue, 17th May 2005 22:26    Post subject:
Seems like most of the games that sony displayed were prerendered, atleast according to people over at beyond3d.

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pallebrun




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PostPosted: Tue, 17th May 2005 22:33    Post subject:
Who cares, some of the most impressive titles were not Smile
I'm talking about fight night and the U3 tech (ut2k7), they were both 100% real-time.

So it's not really a problem at all. It had been a problem if only decent looking games were real-time and the rest rendered, but that was not the case Smile

I find it amusing that people have a tendency to focus on just the "negative" things, even when there are so much that is great or even awesome. It always happens.
But I guess these people have to have something to complain about Wink
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AnimalMother




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PostPosted: Tue, 17th May 2005 22:39    Post subject:
I don't think it would be a problem anyway. I mean, the PS3 doesn't come out for at least 9 months so there is plenty of time.

*prays that the Killzone vid is real-time* Smile

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drhansson




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PostPosted: Tue, 17th May 2005 22:53    Post subject:
I wasn't complaining, just giving you some rumours/facts.

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Seron




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PostPosted: Tue, 17th May 2005 22:59    Post subject:
microsoft must be wettin' their pants real bad.

and ye. killzone is by far the best ingame gfx i've seen.
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pallebrun




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PostPosted: Tue, 17th May 2005 23:03    Post subject:
I wasn't refearing to you hansson, I was refearing to those that are Smile
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AnimalMother




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 02:02    Post subject:
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I wasn't refearing to you hansson, I was refearing to those that are Smile


If you weren't referring to him then why does you post make no sense unless your read his first. There are no people complaining about it anyway, just acknowledging rumours.

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pallebrun




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 02:48    Post subject:
I obviously were refearing to those fanboys of other platforms. They just focus on the "bad" things because it's something they can complain about, they dont care at all about the things that actually were incredible, typical fanboy acting.

A good example is another game that was incredible, but that these people fail to mention (no big surprise there).
I recently learned (from beyond3d) that heavenly sword only used 1 single processor core. Now that makes that game incredible impressive, imagen how fricking sweet that can be with all the cores in use Smile
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pallebrun




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 03:47    Post subject:
Btw, how sweet isn't this regarding MGS4. "Hideo Kojima will be in charge of game design, production, and direction" <------- BEST NEWS SO FAR! God I almost got a boner Very Happy
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D_A_Kuja
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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 03:52    Post subject:
yea thats indeed great news, mgs without kojima isnt mgs.
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sTo0z
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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 04:22    Post subject:
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Btw, how sweet isn't this regarding MGS4. "Hideo Kojima will be in charge of game design, production, and direction" <------- BEST NEWS SO FAR! God I almost got a boner Very Happy


What goes up must come down.

MGS is losing steam, I hope he pulls a miracle out of his hat.
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D_A_Kuja
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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 04:28    Post subject:
losing steam?
you mustve missed mgs3 as its considered being the best installment yet
by most ppl.
kojima doesnt need a hat, he s simply a genius so ideas pass through his head constantly.
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AnimalMother




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 04:33    Post subject:
sTo0z wrote:
pallebrun wrote:
Btw, how sweet isn't this regarding MGS4. "Hideo Kojima will be in charge of game design, production, and direction" <------- BEST NEWS SO FAR! God I almost got a boner Very Happy


What goes up must come down.

MGS is losing steam, I hope he pulls a miracle out of his hat.


I wasn't that impressed with MGS3 gameplay wise at all, although the story and characters were top notch.

The story of MGS2 wasn't very impressive in my opinion though.

Lets hope MGS4 can at least make the leap to a player controlled viewpoint.

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pallebrun




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 04:43    Post subject:
Loosing steam?!?!? What the hell, do you want to die sTo0z?!?!? Laughing

Kojima is my god!
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D_A_Kuja
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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 04:47    Post subject:
yea a freely adjustable camera is really needed, even though i prefered
the mgs3 stealth action over the sc3 one, i gotta admit that in sc3 you could go through the levels smoothly without errors if you were really good, while in mgs3 it was often trial and error cuz of the cam.
still mgs3 is my fav non-rpg game ever, but its only my opinion of course, dont wanna start an argument here, back to the topic.
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AnimalMother




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 04:53    Post subject:
I loved SC:CT's gameplay, but the story and characters was boring and forgettable.

Whereas MGS3's gameplay wasn't the best, but the story and characters were awesome.

Shame, it seems different developers are better at different things. Although I think Kojima was more limited by technology then anything else.

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mcmanic




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 08:12    Post subject:
i prefer the 1st one, all the rest was crap" as kintama would say, lol"

they improved the graphics for each sequal but that was about it for me, the 1st orignal was the best, abit like how Tomb Raider 1 was the best.

Here's hoping for a great version on attempt number 4!
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Diob




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 11:18    Post subject:
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Lets hope MGS4 can at least make the leap to a player controlled viewpoint.


splinter cell fanboy aren't ya? Very Happy

mgs3's gameplay was good IMO. lots of moves too. it was actually the best MGS i played yet. It's story was too awsome. Nice links too the previous MG's.
btw it's actually the 1st metal gear.....in all others incl on the MSX2, nintendo,PSX, etc. foxhound was already created. maybe it's a good idea to remake the one from the MSX2. where big boss is your BOSS. MGS3 is where it all begins. after that >> MG on MSX2
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pallebrun




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 16:02    Post subject:
I seriously do not want a free camera, it wouldn't feel like a mgs game. :/
It shuld be played with a camera that pans over the gaming ground and the hero, just like it is now and have always been.
This way you see what's going on around you at all times, which can be quite crucial in a game like mgs.

And you do have a free camera, just look in first person mode Razz


Edit: Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence.
"A PS2 exclusive remake of Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater that includes online play and a new controllable camera system." There you have your controllable camera Very Happy
http://ps2.ign.com/objects/748/748590.html
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AnimalMother




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 16:52    Post subject:
I don't care how it feels, it's the story and character that make it metal gear, the gameplay changed when it went from the old consoles to the playstation and it's time for another evolution.

If it doesn't i'm afraid it will just be another rehash with a new story and better graphics. Something new has to be added to keep it fresh.

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pallebrun




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 17:27    Post subject:
One thing about kojima is that he care alot about his fans and that's fricking great.
So atleast we fans will be happy, and the fanbase is HUGE so it wouldn't be a loss if you non fans wouldn't buy it Wink

And what are you babling about, gameplay have changed? It hasn't changed at all. You still search for keycards and items to be able to advance in the game. You still have these bosses that you have to beat. Basicly everything is the same but with a better looking shell in the newer games.
Much better graphics and 3D do not equal gameplay changes, the core is still identical and KEEP IT LIKE THAT! Very Happy
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AnimalMother




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 17:31    Post subject:
pallebrun wrote:
One thing about kojima is that he care alot about his fans and that's fricking great.
So atleast we fans will be happy, and the fanbase is HUGE so it wouldn't be a loss if you non fans wouldn't buy it Wink

And what are you babling about, gameplay have changed? It hasn't changed at all. You still search for keycards and items to be able to advance in the game. You still have these bosses that you have to beat. Basicly everything is the same but with a better looking shell in the newer games.
Much better graphics and 3D do not equal gameplay changes, the core is still identical and KEEP IT LIKE THAT! Very Happy


Erm a leap from 2D to 3D is a gamplay change ffs.

Oh, so because it has keycards and bosses the gameplay is the same? You're deluded, maybe by your blind devotion to this Kojima bloke. I see your fanboyism coming out.

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pallebrun




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 17:34    Post subject:
Yes I am a mgs fanboy! And proud of it, so HA! Very Happy

Anyway. Ok mr-know-it-all, you win, now let's keep this ontopic.


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m2rock




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 17:36    Post subject:
Muahahaha I wonder how the odd Japanese sex games will look now Smile....
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pallebrun




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 17:39    Post subject:
Haha.

How do they look now? Laughing

edit: Hey I edited my post Razz


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m2rock




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 17:40    Post subject:
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Haha.
Dirty man. Very Happy

Just out of interest how good they can render skin and have good animations and hmmm such stuff
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AnimalMother




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2005 17:55    Post subject:
Well they showed a preview of a game where you can almost talk to the characters, although obviously the interaction is limited you can see where this is going. Cool

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