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Surray
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 Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2011 14:31 Post subject: |
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d3's online integration seems to be much more complex than what was used in sc2.
sc2 campaign was still single player and you can play offline on a guest account and shit so the functionality is all there and just has to be used by a crack. for d3 it doesn't seem to be there at all.
it could be mmo-level complexity in there so it's possible that to get it to run offline you'd need a server emulator that handles monster spawns, map generation, item drops, saves, all that shit.
doing any of it client-side would be a security risk for a game like diablo 3 so I don't see this getting cracked anytime soon.
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2011 14:34 Post subject: |
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| kenny64 wrote: | | Sin317 wrote: | | fun to see people whine about a feature because it prevents them from pirating it haha |
Are you fucking serious? |
| DarkRohirrim wrote: | | Everyone hated that when Ubisoft did it, but no, it's fine when Blizzard does it. It's amazing how narrow-minded Blizzard fanboys can be. I'm not talking necessarily about someone from this thread, I'm talking about those that I've seen on the internet in general. And yeah, I find generalising the right thing to do since most of them seem to be like that. |
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2011 14:57 Post subject: |
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I wouldn't mind checking out the beta for sure. I know I'll buy it, but I'm not too hip on a fucking real money cash shop for in-game items. I'm sure it will have that Blizzard polish and they sure know how to work the carrot on a stick thing for loots and shit.
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2011 16:24 Post subject: |
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I think it's funny that some people here are cheering for the imho bland BF3 and now are trying to tear D3 apart for reasons I smack my head at BF3 for.
Anyways, no Lan again... that sucks big time. Again...
"Optional Real Money Auctionhouse" doesn't bother me personally because it's optional, I'll play D3 only with my friends anyway and I never was into PvP in D2 and won't be with D3. So the reasons about those balance outcries aren't affecting me.
I love playing D2 on Lan but I've spent way more time with playing it on BattleNet (again, with RL friends mostly).
So the only important thing to me they've cut is LAN support.
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2011 17:06 Post subject: |
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Obviously it's online only, how else do you make sure, that everything introduced in the Real Money Auctionhouse is earned, and not hacked. The only way you can make sure the RMA stays legit, is if most things, especially drops, are handled server side, Your character, and his inventory as such, will save online, that's what it's for.
The real problem here is the RMA, the always-online is just a derivative problem of that.
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Surray
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2011 17:34 Post subject: |
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| Radicalus wrote: | Obviously it's online only, how else do you make sure, that everything introduced in the Real Money Auctionhouse is earned, and not hacked. The only way you can make sure the RMA stays legit, is if most things, especially drops, are handled server side, Your character, and his inventory as such, will save online, that's what it's for.
The real problem here is the RMA, the always-online is just a derivative problem of that. |
they could have used the diablo 2 system where there's closed battle.net where only closed battle.net characters are (and the RMA would be in d3), and then there's single player, open battle.net and lan, where anyone can cheat to their heart's content because stuff is done client side instead.
they probably don't want to deal with that anymore though. if you're gonna allow it then people will complain about cheaters and shit all over the place and there's nothing blizzard could actually do about it when everything is saved client-side which is the only way to do actual offline singleplayer or lan.
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2011 17:39 Post subject: |
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Who's problem is the RMA exactly? Imho it affects PvP players and Ladder-Addicts only.
Everyone else could'nt care less because it's optional since there is an VMA too.
But I know from D2 back then that it's possibly the Ladder-Addicts who're crying out loudest since most of them are some big attentionwhores. I mean, they never did it solo, always had people to boost them. Now some people gonna invite their new friend called "money" too to win the race... boo fucking hoo...
I'm all in for sympathizing towards competitive gaming but Ladder-Running was always ridiculous and fucked up in the ways of actual sportsmanship and fairness.
Only PvP players have my sympathies on this matter.
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2011 17:39 Post subject: |
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| Surray wrote: | | Radicalus wrote: | Obviously it's online only, how else do you make sure, that everything introduced in the Real Money Auctionhouse is earned, and not hacked. The only way you can make sure the RMA stays legit, is if most things, especially drops, are handled server side, Your character, and his inventory as such, will save online, that's what it's for.
The real problem here is the RMA, the always-online is just a derivative problem of that. |
they could have used the diablo 2 system where there's closed battle.net where only closed battle.net characters are (and the RMA would be in d3), and then there's single player, open battle.net and lan, where anyone can cheat to their heart's content because stuff is done client side instead.
they probably don't want to deal with that anymore though. if you're gonna allow it then people will complain about cheaters and shit all over the place and there's nothing blizzard could actually do about it when everything is saved client-side which is the only way to do actual offline singleplayer or lan. |
Yes, they could have done a parallel system for LAN and singleplayer, but they couldn't be arsed, and thought, everyone has internet access anyway. Sadly, that's how these guys think, and still millions suck their cocks like they were Jesus.
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LightningSS
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2011 18:01 Post subject: |
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The amount of BS that Blizz has been spewing in the last few days is freakin' retarded. Can someone explain to me what the hell this crap means.
| Quote: | | So if piracy and DRM never came into the decision, why not just offer an offline mode for those that want to use it? "Let's say we want to create an offline capacity," he explained. "You're introducing a separate user flow, a separate path that players are going to go down. And, at the end of the day, how many people are going to want to do that?" |
http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2011/08/04/blizzard-vp-surprised-over-fan-reaction-to-diablo-3-online-requirements/
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Surray
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2011 18:08 Post subject: |
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what that means is that they want to make sure the community is unified.
if you offer single player, open battle.net and lan as they did in diablo 2 there's gonna be people playing that and you can't transition to battle.net play from that without starting over from scratch so it's unlikely anyone is going to do switch once they're on one of those 2 sides of the game.
by giving players only the option of playing on battle.net they can ensure that 100% of players will be where blizzard wants them and the community won't be split in 2.
it's still not nice of them to just make that decision for their players but it makes perfect from a business standpoint.
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LightningSS
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2011 18:20 Post subject: |
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So it's basically what they said the other day about someone starting a SP char because BN is scary & intimidating and then they decide at lvl 20+ that they want to try MP but don't want to start over with a MP char. Ugh, what an excuse.
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Surray
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2011 18:24 Post subject: |
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yup. with the amount of casual player idiots around these days devs are deciding to take more and more choices away from the user in favor of forcing them down a path the devs deem best. the hardcore crowd is obviously the victim here and that's nothing new.
we should get used to it because it's been happening for a while and it's going to continue.
look towards indie games without mainstream appeal for stuff that pleases the hardcore players as they have no casual/mainstream following to babysit.
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LightningSS
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2011 18:57 Post subject: |
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I completely agree, it appears this whole game is being casualized from the inside out. It sux because this is suppose to be a hardcore pc exclusive, it seems they thought ahead during the design process for their inevitable console port. My fav arpg is TQ:IT and i always go back to it because of the huge amounts of char customization, which sadly seems to be fairly limited in D3's design, hope i'm wrong.
My main interest for arpg's is SP and occasional coop with friends/family. My fav mode in D2 is SP HC mode, i would be very leery about playing HC online with the potential for lag, disconnect, etc... So this is a punch in the nads for me. Also it sucks that i won't be able to tweak or mod my SP experience. I wouldn't still be playing D2 without that hi-res mod.
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2011 19:33 Post subject: |
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I don't care anyway. What Blizzard did?, Diablo and World of Paycraft. Must be stupid to pay for a sword in a game that you already bought, or a monthly suscription to a game that everyone has 85 level. They only care money, don't care about gamers or the pc or consoles. They want a permanent conection for D3 so you must pay even for a pair of rusty boots, then take their cut from the money you spend, that's all.
A shitty game that looks like dungeon siege 3, really...
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2011 19:37 Post subject: |
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| Surray wrote: | yup. with the amount of casual player idiots around these days devs are deciding to take more and more choices away from the user in favor of forcing them down a path the devs deem best. the hardcore crowd is obviously the victim here and that's nothing new.
we should get used to it because it's been happening for a while and it's going to continue.
look towards indie games without mainstream appeal for stuff that pleases the hardcore players as they have no casual/mainstream following to babysit. |
you call yourself hardcore ? AND YOU WHINE ABOUT INTERNET CONNECTIVITY TO A GAME? holy fuck, from where i stand, you live in basement, dont travel at all, and you sit at your 100mb+ connection whole day, if anyone is there to whine its those countryside and traveling folks with crappy connections, but games been played on 56k modem for ages, and new games doesnt take any more capacity than that ..
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Surray
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2011 19:58 Post subject: |
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My point was in regard to devs in general taking away choices to make sure casuals don't make the wrong choice.
It's about blizzard's reasoning behind the change, which is to make sure noobs don't start singleplayer and then complain they can't bring their character onto battle.net.
The same can be said about removal of skill points and stat point allocation.
It's all choices that can go wrong so blizzard takes them away and makes sure you CAN'T go wrong. They take away customization which is arguably something hardcore pc gamers value very much... we love our mods, tweaking settings, and our fiddling with stats to get the perfect build in RPGs and shit like that.
-tdlr-
I don't mind online only, but the reasoning behind it pisses me off.
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AnarchoS
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2011 10:52 Post subject: |
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Diablo 3 has became a wow clone. This game should cost 15€ because it demands net connection, I have to pay 50€ a month for my net, they should lower their prices for it to be fair price, or they should pay part of my net bill, so if this game costs 60€ in reality it costs more like 110€ to me.
And before someone starts to talk that net is cheap, they probably don t pay the bills and their parents or school pay net bills for them. I use net for other things did not buy it for games.
I wont buy it, they lost me with this, there r a lot of other better games out there and developers who still know what is good and dont have dollar signs in their eyes and shit in their heads.
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2011 11:53 Post subject: |
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Personally I don't mind the constant-internet connection, since I want to buy D3 anyway. I can understand that folks who wanted to "preview" D3 are pissed, but if you're sure you will buy the game then the instant internet connection shouldn't be a problem unless you travel to places without internet often. The $-AH also seems like a nice feature.
What scares me though is whether there will be enough customization/development options. There will be passive skills and some kind of runes or whatnot, I'm just not sure if it'll be enough.
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2011 12:02 Post subject: |
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http://worthplaying.com/article/2011/8/7/news/82725/
Accepting Beta applications.
| Quote: | | For a chance to get in the beta, you’ll need a Battle.net account [so create one here if you don’t already have one], then -- from Battle.net account management -- click on Beta Profile Settings, download the system utility check and send Blizzard your system info for a chance to be entered in the beta. If you’ve been selected, they’ll send an email to your Battle.net account address. If you didn’t get in, don’t give up hope as you may be selected in a later wave. |
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Surray
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2011 12:15 Post subject: |
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you could do that for the last 3 years or something already. it's nothing new.
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2011 12:49 Post subject: |
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That is true, they updated the system checker, so anyone wanting to get into the beta, redownload the system checker even if you've already opted in months ago
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AnarchoS
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2011 15:27 Post subject: |
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| AnarchoS wrote: | Diablo 3 has became a wow clone. This game should cost 15€ because it demands net connection, I have to pay 50€ a month for my net, they should lower their prices for it to be fair price, or they should pay part of my net bill, so if this game costs 60€ in reality it costs more like 110€ to me.
And before someone starts to talk that net is cheap, they probably don t pay the bills and their parents or school pay net bills for them. I use net for other things did not buy it for games.
I wont buy it, they lost me with this, there r a lot of other better games out there and developers who still know what is good and dont have dollar signs in their eyes and shit in their heads. |
Yeah dude the same shit happened to me the other day. I was gonna buy a new lawnmower. I went to the shop right and they told me gasoline isn't included in the price. I said well if that's the case you should give me a substantial rebate on the sale. They disagreed with me. I told them to fuck off and said they lost me with that. There's a lot of other better lawnmowers out there anyway. Who the fuck do they think they are anyway?
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