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Neon
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Gah, why do you see Scoia'tael as a representative of all elfs and dwarfs? Many of the elves and dwarfs actually became accustomed to living in the city and don't support Squirrels.
That's right, they don't support them even though they themselves are frowned upon and put into slums.
Scoia'tael simply want to send a message. Elves and dwarfs were a subject of racism for a long time, and finally they rose up. Their cause is just, but they don't see another option other than violence.
If Al-Qaeda started protesting in Afghanistan/Pakistan, people wouldn't give a shit. But if they bomb a place up you might think they're serious.
I don't condone terrorism. But Scoia'tael isn't a representative of all nonhumans. Just as Al-Qaeda isn't a representative of all Muslims.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 15:24 Post subject: |
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Well, I'm on the Epilogue now, so about to finish the game, took Roche's path. I gotta say, it is a brilliant game. Loved every moment of it, though sometimes, story got me a bit confused with all those kings and different countries, since I got no idea about that much. One of the things that I disliked the most is the inability to name your saves however you want, or to manage them in some way. Because I saved my game before some major different decisions, so I can take the other path later, but like this, It'll take me ages to find that particular save among 200+ saves. Otherwise, an amazing game, 9/10.
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chiv
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 15:37 Post subject: |
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youre incorrect if you think i see the squirrels as representing all nonhumans. in fact its been made quite clear in both games that many nonhumans often disagree with the scioatael actions, and see them as doing nothing but continuing to stir up hatred between both sides
during the game, however, you do side WITH the squirrels, and what you fight for benefits THEIR cause of hatred against humans.
and the squirrels dont want to send a message. a message would STOP at some point. throughout both games theyve made it VERY clear they would NEVER stop because their goal is revenge, nothing more nothing less.
and THAT is why im against supporting the scoiatael... because they are no longer fighting the good fight, they want nothing less than human extermination, and that has been made abundantly clear in both games. do you think al queda is just fighting for muslim rights and would ever STOP? that DOESNT mean that muslims are bad by default, of course not... but it DOES mean i simply could NEVER support their actions - and in a gaming environment, could never HELP them to those ends.
i would be FINE with things that benefit nonhumans, as long as it DIDNT benefit the squirrels... if the nonhumans were to cast OUT the squirrels and see them as a threat as well to their prosperity, and if the nonhumans were to ACTIVELY seek PEACE with the humans, i WOULD support that... in fact, if that has ever felt like a goal at ANY time during either game, I HAVE supported that.
sadly its just not the case... which i spose helps make things not as clear cut and straightforward as some might like it.
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Neon
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 15:39 Post subject: |
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Chiv, Iorveth is not a bloodlusting monster as you claim, nor is he merciless. He is pushed by circumstances to the very edge of society. He has his own view on honor and self-sacrifice. Maybe different than others' views but none the less valid. He has a dream, a bigger than himself idea that can soon put his fight in an entirely different light. A flame that can ignite deep change in the society.
When Iorveth chose to fight for a free Pontar Valley, when he swore an oath of allegiance to Saskia(a human nonetheless)
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, he stood alongside the humans defending Vergen. That's right, there are HUMANS living in a dwarfish town, and Iorveth with his commando stood side by side with humans to protect what is right.
Scoia'tael don't want to massacre people. They want to live in a world where a dwarf or an elf can walk into a tavern without being spit on and beaten up.
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chiv
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 15:41 Post subject: |
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anyway, almost finished i think. i do look forward to playing it again.. i think a lot of the intricate plot details did go over my head a bit, especially the plots and nations stuff like hawkeye said.. and of course ill play the terrori...noble freedom fighters ... path, to see whats different... its definately a game i look forward to playing more than a couple of times 
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Neon
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 15:44 Post subject: |
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Also chiv, you remind me of Loredo pretty damn much. And even Roche said he was a bastard.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 16:00 Post subject: |
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| Code: | | "People," Geralt turned his head, "like to invent monsters and monstrosities. Then they seem less monstrous themselves. When they get blind-drunk, cheat, steal, beat their wives, starve an old woman, when they kill a trapped fox with an axe or riddle the last existing unicorn with arrows, they like to think that the Bane entering cottages at daybreak is more monstrous than they are. They feel better then. They find it easier to live." |
So true...
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chiv
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 16:26 Post subject: |
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| Neon wrote: | | Also chiv, you remind me of Loredo pretty damn much. And even Roche said he was a bastard. |
hardly, as he wanted all nonhumans dead, and time and again ive said i dont agree with that... please stop trying to misinterpret what im saying. loredo was against nonhumans, not just squirrels. |
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 16:33 Post subject: |
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| H4wkeye wrote: | | Patch 1.2 is out it seems, though the speed is rather slow. |
Maybe because your Steam is also downloading something?
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 16:34 Post subject: |
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| Overlord123 wrote: | | H4wkeye wrote: | | Patch 1.2 is out it seems, though the speed is rather slow. |
Maybe because your Steam is also downloading something? |
It's not. That's paused. The launcher is just downloading slow.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 16:36 Post subject: |
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I get connection refused all the time.
Anyone dug the direct link to the patch at the site?
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 16:36 Post subject: |
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| peter980 wrote: | I get connection refused all the time.
Anyone dug the direct link to the patch at the site? |
Yes.
http://www.en.thewitcher.com/patch1-2/ |
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 16:38 Post subject: |
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Sorry Neon, but Chiv is right: you can't just forget years of distrust and wars.
The elves are not innocent. Sure, they were driven out of their lands by humans, but they were the first to do the same to other races. Zoltan himself says, that "even before humans came wandering into the wrong forest would get you an ass full of arrows "
And don't forget that SOME of them, thanks to the help of unicorns, moved into another dimension ( the one from which the Wild Hunt originates) , where they slew almost ALL humans and enslaved the rest.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 16:45 Post subject: |
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Elves are just as racist, they're just hypocrites on top of it all.
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b0se
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 16:46 Post subject: |
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It's going to take ages to download that 1.2 patch .
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 16:47 Post subject: |
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jeah this game is just perfect for chiv and his speciesm
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chiv
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 16:50 Post subject: |
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i think the whole thing is really irrelevant.. the point is perception, where nothing is pure and clean and simple, so i just object to the belief that it should be 'clear' that the humans are bad and the nonhumans are good.
i dont have a problem with the nonhumans, in the same way i dont have a problem with the humans. i DO have a problem with the extremest humans, like loredo, in the same way i have a problem with the nonhuman extremists like the squirrels... it would ONLY be hypocritical of me to say i hate the squirrels while i would support someone like loredo... but since i was more than happy to kill loredo (like ive said, any time ive felt humans were going against NONHUMANS as a whole, i have sided with the nonhumans), i dont see myself as being hypocritical here.
IF squirrels as a whole ever decided to become noble and looked for peace with the humans, i would support them. as long as they behave in a way that shows they value revenge over peace, i will fight them IN THE SAME WAY i fight any humans tha want to wipe out ALL nonhumans.
in this way i try my best to walk the neutral path 
anyway
just saw the 1.2 changelog
no performance increases yet, right? still just gameplay fixes? also i dont understand this:
"Geralt can attack more than one target during normal combat."
you could already do that in the original game, so what does it mean....
i do like that saves are compressed, but i hope it wont cause a performance hit WHILE its compressing... menu popping up quicker is good though...
but as it is, im still running the original game unpatched... ive run into no real problems, so i wont patch till after ive finished the game.
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chiv
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 16:51 Post subject: |
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http://www.en.thewitcher.com/patch1-2/
for those who wanted direct link for patch, or want to see its contents.
downloading at 900 kb/s from the official site.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 16:57 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: |
no performance increases yet, right? still just gameplay fixes? also i dont understand this:
"Geralt can attack more than one target during normal combat."
you could already do that in the original game, so what does it mean....
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Really? Go in game now and try attacking the enemy NEXT to your target while still locked onto your current target.
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Pey
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 17:00 Post subject: |
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He meant group style.
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chiv
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 17:02 Post subject: |
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| kouga wrote: | | chiv wrote: |
no performance increases yet, right? still just gameplay fixes? also i dont understand this:
"Geralt can attack more than one target during normal combat."
you could already do that in the original game, so what does it mean....
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Really? Go in game now and try attacking the enemy NEXT to your target while still locked onto your current target. |
yes, when i attack my target, other targets around me take damage from my sword... im still running the original 1.0 game. |
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 17:12 Post subject: |
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| CDPR wrote: | | Game saves are now compressed automatically, lowering the amount of disk space they utilize. |
That should make you happy chiv.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 17:18 Post subject: |
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Hawkeye could you spoiler the images? Or use [imgwidth=1280] instead of [img] ?
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chiv
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 17:19 Post subject: |
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| DCB wrote: | | CDPR wrote: | | Game saves are now compressed automatically, lowering the amount of disk space they utilize. |
That should make you happy chiv. |
like i said, its a good thing -do you know if it causes a saving slow-down as it compresses though? not trying to be argumentative, just curious. |
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 17:21 Post subject: |
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As the original files were just 10mb it shouldn't take longer than a fracture of a second...
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2011 17:22 Post subject: |
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The game runs better with the 1.2 patch here on higher settings, just started a new game again with the imported neutral savegame.
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