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The Daniel Craig thing is a rumour also - one that originated in an English tabloid devoid of quotage or evidence. |
The problem is worse than your usual rumor. Its hard not to take anything serious related to Bond news as news has been reportedly cited from directors, producers, to even actors who claimed to have been going for the role. Its even been said that Judi Dench said that Brosnan was coming back. How can that not be true? Well, now that we all know that these are just rumors, its safe to say not to believe anything else until filming gets started.
I almost hit the ceiling when I heard that Daniel Craig was about to sign for the role. Not funny. Talk about The Living Daylights. The Bond franchise would get The Living Daylights knocked out of it if they casted Daniel Craig.
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Pierce was a great bond, the best in my opinion, the trouble is he had to contend with a time in Hollywood that isn't adventurous in film-making. Didn't help that the films were being used as investments to prevent bankruptcy either.
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Yea, but thats another problem. Because of all the news being rumors, people are now saying that Brosnan was turned down for the role, and that he didnt ask for 55 million. He dam sure did. The problem is that all these rumors are getting mixxed up with the real facts. Yes, there are casting problems for the next Bond film. How can you tell? The roles of M and Q are already picked for this Bond film, and Brosnan isnt. Its also been confirmed by the company about the money issue with Brosnan. Hes done interviews and spoke publicly about the Bond role, including the Die Another Day script that he hated.
Brosnan is a great Bond. The problem is Hollywood. You cant tell me years ago in any of the Bond eras, that Bond portrayed a Hitman like this. He just goes all out and destroys everybody. Like Die Another Day. He decides on his own (not as the mission given to him) to go back to North Korea, and fight those terrorists himself. Although it certainly didnt end up that way. He fought them in a much different scenario. Now hes a British Assassin thats a hitman going around killing people. Thats not the Bond people grew up with. Even with On Her Majestys Secret Service, when Bond was married, he didnt go all out like these hitman portrayed films. I just cannot wait until they start making Bond films good again. Fuck Casion Royale remake. After the 80s when Back To The Future came out, Hollywood died.
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don't understand this whole deal about only certain actors can play the role - all the actors mentioned are RUMOURS based around the fact they can play BOND in that role. Most of them even look similarish. |
They cant play the role. Daniel Craig cant. Christian Bale cant. Orlando Bloom cant. The 100 other actors that have been mentioned cant. Not everyone is Bond. Only one actor that looks like him, has the fight scenes down pat, can act the role out, etc. Thats one actor every decade or two. I'm not saying they cant pull off acting as a spy, they can. But the James Bond role requires soo much more. I'm glad alot of fans arent calling the shots on the Bond franchise just as much as I'm glad Hollywood isnt either. This is one franchise both sides are fuckin' up. Sorry to say this, but all the Bonds looked pretty much they same. Different features, yea. But the same. They all look like Bond because hes of British descent. Yes they have different styles of Bond, which leads to the part on why we like the different actors who played Bond. The only true actor who played James Bond was Timothy Dalton because he stayed close to the Flemming novels. Doesnt mean hes the best Bond because people have opinions. But he was the only one to get it right to its source material, fact. Your talking about an actor who did shakespeare, and stage acting. Broadway. Someone who brought meaning the role of Bond. Sean Connery played it somewhat similiar because he was just as aggressive, but he didnt play Bond seriouslly like Dalton.
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What's more important than the single actor is the rest of the film - the script, the direction, the production the other actors.
And that is where it will invariably slip up. |
Already has slipped up. Rediculous plots in the Brosnan era. I can think of an older film to that really was out there. Moonraker. That was just rediculous. The only good films were during the Dalton/Connery era. Roger Moore was alright, but he played Bond like it was a joke. He always wanted to score with the ladies, and didnt take playing the spy part real. He still did a good job, but it was goofy films. Hard to explain.
I just want Bond to go back to how he used to be without all those dam gadgets and special effects, hitman cerpical bull shit scenes.
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Only certain actors are capable of pulling that off, and as far as I can tell Clive Owen is not one of them. Granted i've only seen him in King Arthur and Sin City so maybe that hasn't been his best work when expressing personality. |
Looks like Bond, but cant play the role. Too stiff. I've seen alot of his movies to. Including I'll Sleep When I'm Dead. That movie alone judges his acting abilities. When your brother is dead from the mob, your supposed to be sad, not delivering lines like your bored.
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Apr 2005 17:22 Post subject: |
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Dude, I think you want the impossible, bond is already way past the Connery era. Stop living in the past or you'll never be satisfied. Either that, or move on.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Sun, 1st May 2005 01:09 Post subject: |
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| xAiTheHitman wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: | | Dude, I think you want the impossible, bond is already way past the Connery era. Stop living in the past or you'll never be satisfied. Either that, or move on. |
No, you mean Bond is already past the Dalton era. Dalton owned. He didnt rely on gadgets, just wits 
Wake up, its the Brosnan era thats sucking. Its because of the scripts and direction. |
I think you're completely disconnected from what bond is about, the gadgets are an integral part of every James Bond film.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Sun, 1st May 2005 01:18 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | xAiTheHitman wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: | | Dude, I think you want the impossible, bond is already way past the Connery era. Stop living in the past or you'll never be satisfied. Either that, or move on. |
No, you mean Bond is already past the Dalton era. Dalton owned. He didnt rely on gadgets, just wits
Wake up, its the Brosnan era thats sucking. Its because of the scripts and direction. |
I think you're completely disconnected from what bond is about, the gadgets are an integral part of every James Bond film. |
Not to the point where every scene has a gadget used in it for an escape route. The Brosnan era has that in just about every scene. Atleast in the Connery, Dalton, Lazenby, and Moore eras they atleast used some of their intelligence to get them out of tight situations. Daltons the only Bond who didnt use gadgets in every scene. Go watch The Living Daylights and Liscense To Kill. At the end of TLD, he doesnt use gadgets to kill the final boss on the cargo plane, before it goes and blows up. Brosnan uses them from start to finish, excluding DAD. At the beginning of Die Another Day, he used a detonator which isnt exactly a gadget, but got caught anyway.
Usually being a Spy means you have to use your intelligence and make whats do to get you out of trouble alot of times. Cant tell me the Dalton films had many gadgets, because they didnt. Go rent them and watch them. Their good.
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Actually, as far as I'm aware, being a spy is in an incredibly laborous and boring job of reconnisance.
I hear what your saying in regards to gadgets, but actually I find them refreshing, and they started long before the Brosnan era (which actually brought some believablity to the fold).
Your looking for something that was never there really and never will be.
It's a cash cow, nothing more.
Have you seen the Bourne Identity/Supremacy? It's an action film based around some proper hardcore spy novels. I preferred this to Bond.
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| Posted: Sun, 1st May 2005 02:48 Post subject: |
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| Ispep wrote: | Actually, as far as I'm aware, being a spy is in an incredibly laborous and boring job of reconnisance.
I hear what your saying in regards to gadgets, but actually I find them refreshing, and they started long before the Brosnan era (which actually brought some believablity to the fold).
Your looking for something that was never there really and never will be.
It's a cash cow, nothing more.
Have you seen the Bourne Identity/Supremacy? It's an action film based around some proper hardcore spy novels. I preferred this to Bond. |
Unfortunately, it has turned into a cash cow now only because Hollywood wanted it to be. Yes, I've seen the Bourne films. They were alright. Nothing great in my opinion.
Well, I still say that the stuff I was looking for was already there. I'm just telling you guys to watch The Living Daylights and Liscense To Kill. Watch TLD first though. I dont think many people here, atleast the people I've been argueing with have seen those two films. If so, they'd be able to tell me more than a plot that you can read on the back of a cover, or on IMDB. They'd be able to tell me how Dalton played Bond, and moments in the film you'd basically have to of had seen to talk about. That was a good example of a spy. Watch those two films from Dalton, and tell me how he plays it compared to Brosnan, and tell me the plot differences. Arms dealers are real, but however world super power villians with these crazy plots, and weapons arent.
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I've seen The Living Daylights and enjoyed it but it was a long time ago so I don't really remember it. License to Kill, Diamonds Are Forever, and The Spy Who Loved Me are really the only Bond movies I haven't seen.
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| Posted: Sun, 1st May 2005 18:02 Post subject: |
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EDIT: woops, talking nonsense (not for the first time)
Anywayz, there will only ever be one bond, Sean Connery.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd May 2005 05:07 Post subject: |
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| CobbMk2 wrote: | EDIT: woops, talking nonsense (not for the first time)
Anywayz, there will only ever be one bond, Sean Connery. |
Why? Because he was the FIRST to play Bond. Him and Dalton are same to me.
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd May 2005 05:04 Post subject: |
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| JScully666 wrote: | if some people think there so good at knowing whats right & whats wrong Y DON"T U YA SELF MAKE A MOVIE & see how far u get  hahaha |
It seems as if directors and hollywood cant make movies either. So how about you take your newb ass out? And that is right, I could make a film better than alot of people in Hollywood could. Count how many fuckin' independant films there are every year that are actually good, and than tell me how many films in Hollywood are? Oh yea, the best film they got coming out is Star Wars Episode III. Dam, I'm impressed. Than lets toss out a couple of movies such as Boogeyman, Cursed, Ammityville horror remake, 2 more TCM remakes, and a house of wax remake. And to make it worse, lets throw in a bunch of romance movies. Yaaa.... I'll say Hollywood is doin ga good job. If they cant do those other projects right, what makes ya think they can do Bond right?
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Dude, Sean Connery was NOT the first to play James Bond.
Only reason we all like Timothy Dalton is because he was in that cool James Bond game "Licence to Kill". |
Sean Connery WAS the first Bond. The movie Dr. No. Remember it? That was the start of the James Bond films. I have the whole box set right here.
And we all dont just like Dalton because he played in the video game. I didnt EVEN play the game License to kill. Fortunately, were talking about the Bond movies, not about the dam games.
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd May 2005 06:48 Post subject: |
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Dalton was indeed the lame Bond, Sean, Roger, and Pierce did a great job playing bond.
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd May 2005 10:20 Post subject: |
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What the fuck is he talking about. Connery wasn't the first bond? As far as films go he was. Fool.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd May 2005 13:34 Post subject: |
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thx, those cookies look mighty tasty!
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd May 2005 23:58 Post subject: |
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hah, yous are both are wrong!!!1
pwn3d!
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 02:05 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 02:23 Post subject: |
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| xAiTheHitman wrote: | | CobbMk2 wrote: | Oh NO!!!! He was American. HE DOESN'T COUNT  
Underneath your well learned grammar skills beats the heart of a true moron. |
Wrong. Thats not a Bond movie. Its a spy spoof. I have seen the original Casino Royale . BTW... thats the reason why its not a Bond movie, its a spoof. Go look at directors cuts. The director even says it. Go get a box set. See, if you watched the DVD you'd know that.
The only one stupid here is you. The original Casino Royale IS NOT a Bond movie. Why do you think their remaking it? They want it to count as a Bond movie. Not as a dam spy spoof comedy. It had nothing to do with the Ian Flemming novels.
Thats like comparing the Phillips CD-I Zelda games to the actual series games. Yea, I know comparing apples to oranges, what the fuck ever. But if you want a better example here:
Its like comparing a spoof of Blair Witch Project to the actual movie. Cant be counted as an original or part of the series. |
I know where you're coming from with what you're saying but it IS widely regarded that Sean was the second Bond. True, it wasn't the Bond that we now know, but he was still called "James Bond."
Google it, go to the fan community etc, and you'll know what I'm talking about.
And dude, as for the Timothy Dalton remark, I couldn't see any reason why someone would think that he was decent other than from his influence in the exellent Bond games of that era. Only my opinion tho. You may think he was great but I think otherwise.
Imo Sean Connery is teh Bond!!
You wanna argue semantics then I'm out.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 02:44 Post subject: |
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| CobbMk2 wrote: | That was not an adaptaion of Ian Fleming's writing and it was done after Barry Nelson.
But hey, who gives a flying shit, you pwn
We must all bow down to your pwn3ss  |
When people say what you wrote, it means their defense is weak. I was hoping you would succumb to that type of defense. Carries no ground whatsoever.
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I know where you're coming from with what you're saying but it IS widely regarded that Sean was the second Bond. True, it wasn't the Bond that we now know, but he was still called "James Bond."
Google it, go to the fan community etc, and you'll know what I'm talking about. |
No. Where I'm coming from is that Sean Connery is as a fact the first to play James Bond. The Casion Royale movie was a spoof. It had nothing to do with James Bond. Its like when you have something like Scary Movie. Something thats a spoof off of horror movies. This is no different except its done for spy novels. It was just a clear ripoff of the name James Bond.
So... if some guy went off and made a movie and had someone named Indiana Jones, made some spoof of him, would you still call that an Indiana movie? I rest my case.
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And dude, as for the Timothy Dalton remark, I couldn't see any reason why someone would think that he was decent other than from his influence in the exellent Bond games of that era. Only my opinion tho. You may think he was great but I think otherwise.
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Who was better? Its a matter of opinions. But you cant say he couldnt act. He was great. The only ones who think of Dalton for his contribution to the Bond games are just gamers. Give it a rest already. The man can act. And dont tell me Roger Moore pulled off a better Bond. Most of the time his whole agenda was to score with the ladies. Yea, he really was a great Bond I have to say Lazenby is better than Moore. Atleast he pulled off the fight scenes better. And he could atleast act like Bond.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 03:19 Post subject: |
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| xAiTheHitman wrote: |
When people say what you wrote, it means their defense is weak. I was hoping you would succumb to that type of defense. Carries no ground whatsoever. |
Are you Kamikazee666?? Because I was responding to him. He was being witty and I was having a laugh with him. You're very uptight aren't you xAiTheHitman?
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No. Where I'm coming from is that Sean Connery is as a fact the first to play James Bond. The Casion Royale movie was a spoof. It had nothing to do with James Bond. Its like when you have something like Scary Movie. Something thats a spoof off of horror movies. This is no different except its done for spy novels. It was just a clear ripoff of the name James Bond.
So... if some guy went off and made a movie and had someone named Indiana Jones, made some spoof of him, would you still call that an Indiana movie? I rest my case. |
You rest your case??? I hope you're not a lawyer
Barry Nelson played the First screen James Bond. Ian Flemming (creator of James Bond) sold the rights. If you don't like Nelson's portrayal, you should take it up with the directors and broadcast suits. The later installments were not true to James Bond, hence why Sean Connery is the second Bond, not the third or fourth.
This has all been discussed to death on bond forums. I advice you take it there if yuo think your views are extra special.
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Who was better? Its a matter of opinions. But you cant say he couldnt act. He was great. The only ones who think of Dalton for his contribution to the Bond games are just gamers. Give it a rest already. The man can act. And dont tell me Roger Moore pulled off a better Bond. Most of the time his whole agenda was to score with the ladies. Yea, he really was a great Bond I have to say Lazenby is better than Moore. Atleast he pulled off the fight scenes better. And he could atleast act like Bond. |
Yeah, thats right, a matter of opinions as you so eliquently put it. To me, Timmy stands out because I played his character on Licence to Kill. For you, you may have actually liked him in Bond.
Btw, I never said he wasn't a good actor, just not a good Bond.
And as for your little rant on Roger Moore, who the fuck brought him up???!! I too think Dalton to be superior to Moore but still think Sean Connery roxx.
I don't know where you're going with this rant but it's at one hell of a tanjent. "oohhh, because I played the Bond games I must be talking shit etc, etc."
I know when I'm talking shit and I'm the first to admit it.
But you my friend, I feel sorry for because you're full of it and don't even know it.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 03:37 Post subject: |
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I liked Roger Moore as a womanizing bond. I don't really care if it was faithful to the novels or anything, because I enjoyed the films.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 16:58 Post subject: |
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I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact he was so old. He was almost like a peodophile Bond |
Actually, Connery aged faster than Moore. Moore when he did his Bond flicks, he looked fairly young for his age.
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Are you Kamikazee666?? Because I was responding to him. He was being witty and I was having a laugh with him. You're very uptight aren't you xAiTheHitman?
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Uptight? No I just find it very weird how barely anyone no NForce speaks the truth. Oh, speaking of truth. Since your post is after mine below, helps if you said Kamikazees name. Noone would have any way of telling 
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You rest your case??? I hope you're not a lawyer
Barry Nelson played the First screen James Bond. Ian Flemming (creator of James Bond) sold the rights. If you don't like Nelson's portrayal, you should take it up with the directors and broadcast suits. The later installments were not true to James Bond, hence why Sean Connery is the second Bond, not the third or fourth.
This has all been discussed to death on bond forums. I advice you take it there if yuo think your views are extra special.
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Except you would be the perfect lawyer right? A criminal defense one at that. That would go down well. Your logic would be to persuade denial of the truth to as many people as possible.
Really, so in your mind you want to be right saying that Barry Nelson was the first Bond? Ok. If thats true why does all the directors deny it? Better yet why did Flemming himself deny it? It was NEVER apart of the Bond series dude. In fact, its on the new Casino Royale trivia page on IMDB. Umm, who says the later Bonds where not true to their formula? Brosnans wasnt, but the rest sure where.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061452/
Look at all the people who played Bond. Peter Sellars was the one to spoof him. Not Barry.
And its alost credited to Feldman.
Go to the link under the posts there. It has nothing to do with the Bond franchise. Its a spoof like I was saying. Maybe you should see the movie first?
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Yeah, thats right, a matter of opinions as you so eliquently put it. To me, Timmy stands out because I played his character on Licence to Kill. For you, you may have actually liked him in Bond.
Btw, I never said he wasn't a good actor, just not a good Bond.
And as for your little rant on Roger Moore, who the fuck brought him up???!! I too think Dalton to be superior to Moore but still think Sean Connery roxx.
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Yea, playing a video game and watching the franchise a bit different there buddy. Everyone does have opinions but you have to understand the way Bond was created. If you read the actual Fleming novels you'd see that he was created in a vicious spy way. He had no regard to life, and diposed of anyone who got in his way, but not in a hitman way. So far if you match actors styles and personas from the series, you'll see that Connery and Dalton are the only ones who match with Lazenby coming in a close 3rd. I'm sure the actors who portrayed each Bond film did to their best abilities, especially seeing how lousy Die Another Day was. It was a miracle Brosnan acted through that mess of a film. Point being. Why make a film without staying true to source material, and it still not being entertaining? The 67 Casino Royale did that by just insulting the Bond name. Why do you think their remaking it? Very rarely do you get spoofs that come out before a franchise. I can see how people like you get mixxed up with it being that way, fair enough.
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I don't know where you're going with this rant but it's at one hell of a tanjent. "oohhh, because I played the Bond games I must be talking shit etc, etc."
I know when I'm talking shit and I'm the first to admit it.
But you my friend, I feel sorry for because you're full of it and don't even know it. |
LoL. I'm full of it because you decided to judge a Bond actor to a Bond game rather than the franchise? Wait, wait, wait. You claim to know ALOT about Bond, yet you know more about the dam games than the movies. Atleast thats what I grasp. I've seen you rant like this before in Bond video game threads. I'm also full of it because you decided to say Casion Royale of 67 which is a spy spoof is part of the series? Really. You have alot to learn than. Every director OF the Bond franchise has responded about that film and where it stands. Clearly you have not heard?
Oh, and if you dont want me to respond, than why do you keep saying untrue stuff? You know I'm going to respond to that. Its not to make you look like an idiot, its just because your wrong. But you just refuse to take it. Its always the europeans that pull this... and NFOrce is full of them 
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