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 Posted: Thu, 21st Apr 2011 16:24 Post subject: |
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no the cheapest version out there is SLIM arcade , its got 4 gig flash and you can plug your Sata Laptop HDD in there
go with slim xbox , trust me on this , the older boxed have a massive failure rate , blame takes lead free solder that holds the GPU [RROD after 6 months] , HANA[E74 after 2 years] and SouthBridge chips [E73 after 3 years] ...after some time it weakens from the temps in that box and those components LITERARY FALL OFF , only stable fix to this date is reballing all chips with Lead solder making it a permanent ever lasting fix [forget X-clam they only damage the chips and the solder balls under those chips]
don't buy a old 360 , buy ONLY one if its J-TAG and thats it , if you will burn games go for slim
or get a PS3 Slim 
ps. if 256 freespace would be enough for saves, then M$ would not add a feature that turns your extended USB sticks and HDD's into a memory unit
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Apr 2011 16:29 Post subject: |
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i assume(d) we're talking older boxes here. don't know shit about the new boxes.
1. as far as how good it is, one is basically as good as the other. there have been discussions about one drive (dvd) working better than another but i think it's more like splitting hairs. an example would be gta iv and texture pop ups. i have a jtag system and i'm currently replaying gtaiv. it reads everything from the hd, no disc needed and i still get texture pop ups just as bad as i did before with my samsung and hitachi based boxes. i even conducted my own experiment with dead rising 2 since it has a lot of loading times. i used an ssd drive and still got the same loading times as coming off a regular hard drive. all that being said i think the liteon is the supposed champ of the dvd drives, or last i read it was.
2. 256mb will be ok for save files but depending on how much you play it may fill up fast. i'd advise starting off that way but i would go ahead and plan to get a hard drive.
3. RDR should work fine with that. when i played it i didn't have a jtagged box but i think installed the disc to the hd and had no issues. sometimes i played directly from the disc. my reasons for that was because my drive at the time (samsung) was having issues and i'd get dirty disc errors in the middle of playing which i bypassed by getting it installed to the hd.
i don't think there's much else to say really other than get a hard drive for future stuff. but if you're just starting off i think the memory card will be ok. you might want to look into finding a jtagged or jtaggable system and comparing prices. if you aren't technically inclined jtagging can be a very aggravating experience so if you begin to lean in the direction of using a jtagged box consider that before purchasing.
as for a personal recommendation i'd say go the jtag route. if you have no plans for online play it is a great thing to have. no discs needed, no worry about updates or how that new disc format will affect you. free arcade and dlc... good stuff.
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Apr 2011 17:15 Post subject: |
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Thanks for answers guys. So, it seems both of you recommend Jtag. Few questions about that:
1. Unlike lt+ it allows you to play any game now and in the future without the need to update the hack? Or I misunderstood?
2. I can buy xbox360 arcade jasper made from before august 2009. How hard would it be to jtag it myself as opposed to paying 200$ for it to be done in the store?
3. About the heat problems...I thought the 65nm models are the improved ones...are they still overheating? It's especially relevant since the jtagged models are definitely not slim..
Thanks
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Apr 2011 17:16 Post subject: |
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You should definitely go J-TAG, as nobody really knows what will happen with all the new FW updates that M$ seems to force now...
And about the HDD, I thought that you could just USB-Sticks as a replacement by now? So 256MB would be enough for savegames, and then just use an USB-stick to store the rest.
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Apr 2011 17:19 Post subject: |
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in any case you could still get a generic 16G usb stick and use that for storage
i don't think you can use ANY hd.. from what i've looked over it has to be one of the WB models that the actual xbox drives are, and of the same size (250GB max)
i myself used the 20GB drive in my slim i got from my old fat xbox
there's only firmware for one slim drive as of yet
but RDR is out with the profile hack, so you don't even need to get the dvd drive flashed if that's all you'll be playing for now
with expansions too
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Apr 2011 20:44 Post subject: |
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| shole wrote: | there's only firmware for one slim drive as of yet
but RDR is out with the profile hack, so you don't even need to get the dvd drive flashed if that's all you'll be playing for now
with expansions too |
Well, I do tend to believe I'll play other games besides RDR and I would like to play L.A. noire once it's out for example.
Anyway, I've googled jtag and it seems like hardware manipulation is in order, something I don't feel like doing. So, all things considered, should I go for a significantly more expensive jtagged xbox or go with the cheaper lt+ hack?
What's the worst case scenario here with lt+ ? MS blocks future hacks and I won't be able to play future titles? It can't happen with jtag? Is it likely to happen?
Thanks for help guys, appreciate it.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 01:31 Post subject: |
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I have to give the thumbs up to jtag. Once you have a jtagged box you're using a pc again, or what could/will/etc amount to that. I cannot say for 100% sure, but I do have a limited understanding of it and from that i've drawn the conclusion that there aint much MS can do about the jtagged boxes. They are completely under our control so it shouldn't be an issue to circumvent any type of protection BUT they said that shit about the ps3 and that it was hacked wide open for good, etc and look how that shit turned out. So truthfully, who knows but i'd place my bets on a jtagged box if i was in your shoes.
If you want to play copied discs on a jtag you will still need a flashed firmware. However it's pretty stupid to do that when you can just copy the game to the HD via USB or FTP (i prefer USB) and be done with it. Also a jtagged box can run whatever size hard drive you want - none of that signed sector bullshit. If you're into it there are custom dashboards and other shit like that. I personally don't care for that I just like running everything off the system with no discs and no patching, no bullshit to go through with updates. Well except it's a little bit of a hassle to install each new official dashboard but nothing to get upset about. Just no worries with patching games.
For example I download a game. I take the image and run it into a program called iso2god. You can strip all the padding and other shit out of the games and name it whatever you want if you like. Take the folder that it spits out when it is done, stick it on a fat32 formatted usb stick/hd/etc and copy it to the appropriate location and you're done. it shows up under games.
just remember - jtag = no online play. get banned very quickly that way, not that it would matter just that won't be able to play online, ever, while it is jtagged.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 11:13 Post subject: |
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Another Jtag thumb's up here.
If you're good with soldering, then sure do it yourself. I'm not, so sent it of to someone on XboxScene to have it done for £30.
There are far cheaper modder's out there to do it for you, not the $200(!) fee the shop you mention want's.
As far as updating jtag's, a regular update is for dashlaunch, which allow's the custom dash's like FreeStyleDash to boot up instead of the original dashoard (piece of cake to update).
Also if a new dash come's out, like the Kinect dash in November, you'll have to wait for a new freeboot to be made to update you jtag dash.
Reason for doing this, is the newer game require newer dash version's.
You can run game's from nearly any console (bar the current version's) Megadrive, Snes, Nintendo DS, PSX 1, countless arcade's are just the emulator's i have installed.
Modding game's are a piece of cake for single player use (infinite grapple hook on Just Cause 2, anyone?) As mentioned, don't go online. You'll be banned in 30min's and will have to mess about putting a new KeyVault on your machine.
Jtag's future is limitless as far as i can see, the only future possible hiccup is if the new formated disc's that they're currently trailing cannot be ripped/extracted. But again that's a big IF.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 13:10 Post subject: |
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Thanks a lot for your help guys.
Is it true that MS updates their protection once a year and they have already done it this year, meaning that the current lt+ hack will work on all titles until the next protection update, which according to this rumor will happen only in 2012...any truth to that?
Jtag sounds very good, but from quick search, is seems like all shops ask the same ridiculous price of 200$ for it.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 13:23 Post subject: |
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| KGen wrote: |
Jtag sounds very good, but from quick search, is seems like all shops ask the same ridiculous price of 200$ for it. |
$200 for just doing the mod or 200 for a pre-jtaged console? I've just done a very quick search and found modding service's for 50/60$.
That's including the soldering of a certain resistor to prevent accidental uptate's which would knacker up your console and also certain app's preloaded.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 13:42 Post subject: |
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You can use a USB pen up to 16gb as a HDD, it will be formated with FATX so it wont be usable for anything else (before you format it again). But its a cheap alternative.
But yeah, its more than enough space in your MU for only savegames.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 13:58 Post subject: |
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| ITRUK wrote: |
$200 for just doing the mod or 200 for a pre-jtaged console? I've just done a very quick search and found modding service's for 50/60$.
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Just the mod. Seems like that's the price to pay in Israel if I want it to be done at the shop and I haven't found an alternative yet. The whole thing will cost me 590$ and that's without the HDD and another gamepad. So yeah, one tough decision...the mod is almost half the price.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 15:30 Post subject: |
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Thanks! I'll check it out, maybe it's worthwhile..though, there are taxes to be paid.
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| Posted: Fri, 6th May 2011 19:09 Post subject: |
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Really do get a hard drive. The games run much smoother. The dvd drive may or may not get a little fucked from playing DVDR media (my experience at least). If you've got a game installed on your HDD you can still play without problems or stupid read errors. Also the dvd drive can be one noisy mofo, getting an HDD will shut that bitch up 
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