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 Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 17:48 Post subject: 20.000$ = 24.000€? |
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Am not sure if this is correct but it seems as if the new VW Passat comes to the US at around 20.000 $ and in germany for 24.000 € (35.000 $).
wtf?
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 17:51 Post subject: |
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Heh... even when it's a product from the native company, the prices are still massively FUCKED in the whole Europe vs America shenanigans.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 17:56 Post subject: |
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supply and demand, supply and demand...
+ audience targetting. VW just targets other segments of the market in US and Europe.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 18:51 Post subject: |
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^ this plus lots of taxes
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 18:55 Post subject: |
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wow. someone discovered exchange rates
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 18:59 Post subject: |
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Is the world we live in fair and just?
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 19:03 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 19:11 Post subject: |
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That's just how it is, I don't think shipping or taxes have much to do with it. They set the prices depending on how much their research says people are willing to pay. Some companies purposely inflate their prices so their products appear more prestigious and high quality, yet in other countries they are being sold for a cheap ass price.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 19:15 Post subject: |
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Awesome. So basically, you could also
- Pay the US price (€13748.54)
- Pay for transport (about €1500) to the EU
- Get transport insurance (typically % based, about 1.5-ish)
- Pay the import tax (10% in NL IIRC)
- Pay the loading/unloading costs (about €500)
- Pay the VAT (19% in NL)
and STILL end up cheaper.
For the math impaired or people who don't have a fucking clue what a Euro is: the above comes out out to (€13748 * 1.015 * 1.10 * 1.19) + €500 + €1500 = €20266. In USD, that's $29481. Even in the high tax states you're not gonna get close to that.
That is just fucked up.
And no, it's not because of taxes or import costs or whatever; VW has multiple factories here in Europe, just one in the US. It's scamming, like I've said tons of times now, this bullshit happens everywhere. $50 game? We pay €50. $1500 laptop? We'll probably pay €1600. None of that is taxes, that's taking advantage of the fact that as a currency, the Euro is relatively strong.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 19:48 Post subject: |
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Steam prices: $9.99 = £9.99 = 19.99€ 
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 21:00 Post subject: Re: 20.000$ = 24.000€? |
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| PumpAction wrote: | Am not sure if this is correct but it seems as if the new VW Passat comes to the US at around 20.000 $ and in germany for 24.000 € (35.000 $).
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Reason why I hate living in Europe. The cost of living for you guys is sky high compared to a lot of areas in the US. Some things I love about Europe, the monetary situation is a fucking joke though, and ya'll constantly wonder why Americans buy big stuff. It's because everything is a shitload cheaper over there.
Another good example is the 370z. Base 370z costs $30k in the states. Costs 30k GBP in the UK.
Thats approx. a $20 grand price difference. Don't even need to mention how fucked you guys get with fuel costs. (But I will)
Buying fuel on base here in the UK I currently pay $1.10 per liter for 98 RON. If I had to buy that shit off the local economy it would be 1.40 GBP. Huge price difference.
Don't even need to get into the cost difference in food. Needless to say, ya'll get raped.
I realize this is different then the cont. Europe economy; But years ago when I was living in Germany it wasn't much better.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 21:06 Post subject: Re: 20.000$ = 24.000€? |
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| Mchart wrote: | | PumpAction wrote: | Am not sure if this is correct but it seems as if the new VW Passat comes to the US at around 20.000 $ and in germany for 24.000 € (35.000 $).
wtf? |
Reason why I hate living in Europe. The cost of living for you guys is sky high compared to a lot of areas in the US. Some things I love about Europe, the monetary situation is a fucking joke though, and ya'll constantly wonder why Americans buy big stuff. It's because everything is a shitload cheaper over there. |
Except the health care I guess.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 21:09 Post subject: Re: 20.000$ = 24.000€? |
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| Rofl_Mao wrote: | | Mchart wrote: | | PumpAction wrote: | Am not sure if this is correct but it seems as if the new VW Passat comes to the US at around 20.000 $ and in germany for 24.000 € (35.000 $).
wtf? |
Reason why I hate living in Europe. The cost of living for you guys is sky high compared to a lot of areas in the US. Some things I love about Europe, the monetary situation is a fucking joke though, and ya'll constantly wonder why Americans buy big stuff. It's because everything is a shitload cheaper over there. |
Except the health care I guess. |
If my employer provides health insurance, then it isn't an issue. Even if I ran my own business and had to provide my own health insurance I wouldn't be getting nearly as raped.
It comes down to this - Free healthcare but get raped with taxes, or no free healthcare and deal with health insurance. So unless you are constantly ill, IMO, I prefer the way we do it in the US. If you are an average person who only needs to visit the doctor a couple times in your life then you'll be saving a lot more money living the US. If you are someone who works for a big company that provides health insurance, or work for the government - Then healthcare isn't much of an issue to begin with.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 21:15 Post subject: |
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I'm not just talking about private schools (I, myself, spent 3 years in a boarding school and that cost the best part of £25k a year, though it was government funded for me) - but overall education system. Going to university in England is an option for everybody, providing you meet the grade requirements, and doesn't mean a lifetime of debt and servitude as you try and pay off the insane cost.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 21:19 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | I'm not just talking about private schools (I, myself, spent 3 years in a boarding school and that cost the best part of £25k a year, though it was government funded for me) - but overall education system. Going to university in England is an option for everybody, providing you meet the grade requirements, and doesn't mean a lifetime of debt and servitude as you try and pay off the insane cost. |
If I recall, college kids in the UK have to pay 8k GBP a year now, along with the government taking a good chunk out of their paycheck when they start working.
If you compare that to the typical 40-60 grand (four year) student loan a kid would have to take (For a decent school).. There isn't much difference in terms of long-term rape. Either way you owe money. Not sure about the UK in particular or Europe, but in the US if you are a good student you can get a free college education anyways. There are plenty of programs that will pay for the full 4 years, and there are other options like the military which gives you $80 grand for education. Spend 4 easy years doing a lax job in the military and get $80 grand to pay off prior student loans or go back to school. Fairly easy option. Just don't join the Marines.
The whole college cost thing also brings up the point that there are far to many people going to college that shouldn't be, but i'm not going to get into that.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 21:29 Post subject: |
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The shit i've been reading about the latest gen Passat and Jetta (especially), VW really fucked up on this gen. Consumer reports ranked the new Jetta the lowest in it's class and not only...
Not that the last gen Passat (B6) was any good, sure it was 'pleasant'' to look at and diesel engine was smooth, but the interior build quality was just horrendous, paint came off in some places after only 2 years.
Hope you don't have pedestriant detection since during winter if you don't properly clean the front of your car the thing will detect something near the car and apply breaks from time to time.
Then there's a slight issue at diesel's where if you're under half a tank it'll flash the empty button.
The B5.5 is alot better built, it runs alot better even compared to newer cars (2.0 cdti Vectra w/ 150hp is slower than 2.0 TDI 136 Hp Passat)
At leas the Polo is fucking ace.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 21:31 Post subject: |
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Yeaaaah.... I'd rather pay £8k than $40k, my man  Besides, that's for University (Higher Education), because College (what we call Further Education) is practically free for the vast, and I do mean vast, majority of students simply because of intense government funding. We do have high taxes, but they're used properly. University is expensive, but not even remotely close to the level of tuition costs for American universities. The 8-9k cost is actually the MAXIMUM the university can charge by law and they have to offer some pretty serious guarantees about the level of education before they can make that charge, not to mention even the most expensive are still legally bound to accept students of all income groups. Most universities don't charge that much - and the average is actually £3-4k.
Another difference in costs is that most students automatically qualify for grants (up to £3k) and bursaries which don't need paying back, or small loans (upto £7k) which are paid back in instalments over time.
So that, coupled with the very high quality of UK further/higher education, means I'd rather study in the UK than in America. The maximum you'd be looking to pay back would be in the region of £20k, as opposed to $40-60, and that's from the best schools and for students who take the maximum amount of loans and living expenses.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 21:32 Post subject: |
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It's a passat, what did you expect.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 21:41 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | Yeaaaah.... I'd rather pay £8k than $40k, my man Besides, that's for University (Higher Education), because College (what we call Further Education) is practically free for the vast, and I do mean vast, majority of students simply because of intense government funding. We do have high taxes, but they're used properly. University is expensive, but not even remotely close to the level of tuition costs for American universities. The 8-9k cost is actually the MAXIMUM the university can charge by law and they have to offer some pretty serious guarantees about the level of education before they can make that charge, not to mention even the most expensive are still legally bound to accept students of all income groups. Most universities don't charge that much - and the average is actually £3-4k.
Another difference in costs is that most students automatically qualify for grants (up to £3k) and bursaries which don't need paying back, or small loans (upto £7k) which are paid back in instalments over time.
So that, coupled with the very high quality of UK further/higher education, means I'd rather study in the UK than in America. The maximum you'd be looking to pay back would be in the region of £20k, as opposed to $40-60, and that's from the best schools and for students who take the maximum amount of loans and living expenses. |
Your confusing college in the US. In the US, a typical bachelors degree (What we call College) is structured around a 4 year program. Some majors can be an extra year or two. This is similar to what you call 'Uni'. We also have 2 year schools in the US which offer Associates degrees, which sounds to be the equivelant of your 'College'. Community colleges which offer Associates degrees are very cheap. I paid $5k for my Associates degree. Then, because of the fact that most credits earned from the Associates program apply towards a bachelors, I only had to goto College for two years to get my bachelors.
So education in the states is a lot cheaper then you think. The 'quality' is up for debate.
Me personally, I don't give a rats ass about 'quality' because my entire intention was to get the piece of paper that said 'Bachelor of Science Degree' so my job applications wouldn't get thrown out. Trust me when I say a good portfolio and job experiance is far more important to an employer then what uni you went to. Of course, if you have no talent to begin with, then the crutch of having a degree from a better college will definatly help.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 22:03 Post subject: |
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Gets better when you throw Dutch/Swedish/German (and I think Finnish as well?) systems into the mix
We (and with we I refer to my Scandinavian buddies and my neighbours to the east as well, as far as I know their system is almost identical) have two levels of "higher" education; something that is literally called University when you translate it, and then something that isn't translatable. The difference basically is that when going to Uni you typically focus more on the theoretical and research side of things, and you have the option of going for a doctorate of any form straight away. With the other 'thing' it's typically a bit more focused on application rather than research. Obviously the former implies a slightly higher paygrade due to the doctorate, but in essence you get the same basic knowledge, just used in a different way. I know that's the case for Software Engineering anyway, I switched from the former to the latter because the research bored me shitless, and I'd rather actually program rather than think about how to solve something - and then not do it.
In English the term for that second thing is a Vocational University, or University of Applied Sciences. Former is 3 years for the bachelor, latter is 4. Both result in a bachelor's degree of some sort, both have master programmes, and if I'd want to go for a doctorate I'd only have to spend about half a year extra to "earn the right" (it's pretty retarded when you think about it, but whatever  ).
But it doesn't end there, because there are two more "levels" of education below these, just to make it even more confusing for foreigners 
@ Pumpy: das ist, was einer Fachhochschule ist, nicht wahr? Gleich wie unserer "HBO".
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 22:29 Post subject: Re: 20.000$ = 24.000€? |
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| PumpAction wrote: | Am not sure if this is correct but it seems as if the new VW Passat comes to the US at around 20.000 $ and in germany for 24.000 € (35.000 $).
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Here's finnish prices for reference:
http://www.nettiauto.com/volkswagen/passat/?yfrom=2011
So...
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| Werelds wrote: |
We (and with we I refer to my Scandinavian buddies and my neighbours to the east as well, as far as I know their system is almost identical) have two levels of "higher" education; something that is literally called University when you translate it, and then something that isn't translatable. |
'University of applied sciences' is probably the most commonly used translation these days - varies per country of course.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_technology
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 22:53 Post subject: |
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and I bitch in this bitching thread in the bitching section because I DONT EVEN HAVE $20k
also never gave a shit about school
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 23:05 Post subject: |
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| FireMaster wrote: | and I bitch in this bitching thread in the bitching section because I DONT EVEN HAVE $20k
also never gave a shit about school |
But you have the life of a bum. Isn't the vast wealth of HIV related life experiances priceless?
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 23:07 Post subject: |
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Not sure if it is available in the euro market or not, but for a decent priced mid-sized sedan the new Sonata is the clear winner of the category (At least in the US). Gets great gas mileage, and they have the twin turbo 2.0l option which makes 270hp/270tq while still getting 32MPG.
... and nevermind. Just checked the Hyundai UK website and Hyundai gives the euro market all their shit cars. No Genesis, and no new Sonata.
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