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 Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011 17:33 Post subject: Need advice - what to tell my doc? |
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Ok a quick background on my situation. When I was in my early to mid 20's I did a couple of cycles of steroids. Now those of you that are already spitting acid and going DEVIL, DEVIL, take some time to read up on "steroids". That word refers to a broad range of drugs - it's no different really than your old lady taking birth control. However at the time I did it for selfish reasons as in getting my swole on in the gym. I did a total of 3 - 4 cycles until I was around 28. I did one cycle per year that lasted around 12 weeks. Then a year would pass and I would do it again. I got great results, felt great, had lots of energy, etc. I gained a lot of muscle over those years and completely changed my physique. I had been going to the gym for 2 years prior to that and hadn't been able to break through some barriers so I went to the dark side...
By this time I reached a point where I felt I was good and didn't need to cycle anymore. As time went on I felt run down, shitty, no energy, and began to lose the ability to focus which was (and still is) greatly affecting my ability to multitask at work (which is important for my job). I suspected my test was low and got tested and it was pretty low. Keep in mind I had been 2 years without taking anything and had done a proper PCT after my last cycle (pct means you "wean" yourself back to normal, to sum it up). Long story short I had to stop going to that doc for work reasons and because they took forever so I quit my treatment with that doc. A year later I decided to try again and got tested at another place, test levels still low. So I tried some underground labs shit and didn't feel any better.
Recently I found a friend in my gym who was able to provide me with yet another UG lab. Same shit, didn't feel any different. Wasn't energized, wasn't driven in the gym and still lazy and unfocused. So recently I found a great doc that I started seeing. I had some prostate problems (yup I got da finger) and he got that fixed. I mentioned my history with low T and lack of drive, energy, etc and he said no problem i'll check your test levels. I checked with them today and my test levels are nice and high, at 1275. The scale runs from 300 - 1200. So this last UG stuff I was taking was obviously working. However I still feel like shit and have no drive in the gym. I cannot force myself to get in those last 2 reps and I can't make any fuckin' progress. I was asked today if I had taken ANY testosterone and I blurted out no (guiltily). Thats when I asked what were the actual results and I said well i've taken some supplements to free up test but nothing major to try and cover my ass some.
So now I don't know what to do. I want to be honest with him since this my health but if I am it can go on my medical records and my insurer can drop or raise my rates and I can end up being stuck with paying the full cost of my visits with this doc and for the lab work. I feel like he'll feel like I wasted his time because I was taking test. I was taking it to treat myself, it's not like I had selfish stupid reasons this time. There's some risk involved with using UG labs and I know he'll think I am an idiot for taking those risks.
On one hand I can assume he wont worry with my test levels being high or question that and will begin testing other stuff. On the other hand honesty is the best policy and i'm taking test to be "normal" or above normal in this case and it will most likely skewer any further test results. If a time comes that I have to be honest I will have REALLY wasted his time then and I suppose he would be livid, and with good reason.
My wife says I feel this way because neither of us has had a vacation or any real break in 6 years. Another long story short - the only time I get off from work are the weekends and the normal holidays of which I get about 7 days each year. I know a lot of people dont get every weekend off but really, when you have to spend the weekend playing catch up to what you didn't get done during the week, plus doing household stuff, laundry, etc - it's really not much of a break.
I am definitely tired and run down and sick of the same ol' same ol'. I am burned right the fuck out. It could just be I am run down from work, but then again it might not be. I have been working alone since Jan of '07. It is a huge weight on my shoulders.
Wtf do I do?
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011 17:46 Post subject: |
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the truth.
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juniR
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011 17:50 Post subject: |
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fess - you are taking a chance already and you know it. You are physically shagged and mentally stressed. Doesn't sound like it's getting any easier. This is the hump - we ain't actually qualified btw... that'd be the doc 
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Rofl_Mao
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011 19:16 Post subject: |
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Everything you tell your doctor is between him and you. Simply tell the truth. Which can be surprisingly simple sometimes. The "problem" with telling the truth is that it may be embarrassing or confrontational.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011 19:31 Post subject: |
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i agree. my main concern is about it going on my medical records and getting shafted by the insurance company. that happened once before.
at the time i was having trouble breathing. my chest felt tight and I even had chest pains. it would come and go and i was diagnosed with anxiety and stress and given paxil. i didn't like the way that shit made me feel and i was just worried something was wrong with my respiratory system. i had been a smoker for 5 or 6 years prior to this and had quit but if a friend came around i would smoke one of their cigarettes with them. one week i might smoke 3 cigarettes then i might smoke none at all the next week. i did not crave it anymore. i was not a "smoker" so my insurance rate was set at non smoker rates.
i figured since it was breathing related i should let the doctor know this. when i brought this up with the doc he got agitated and there was an argument. i argued that if i drank one or two beers on the weekend that i wasn't a drinker nor an alcoholic, it just meant i had a few drinks. at that point he said you either do smoke or you don't. i was pissed so i just said fine, i smoke. as a result, there was a big problem with the insurance company, i told 'em to fuck off and got nailed with all the medical bills from the very first "diagnosis".
i dealt with the symptoms for a few years before discovering the only thing that was wrong wtih me was i had indigestion and heartburn. a simple anti acid stopped all those symptoms dead in their tracks. i was in my early 20's and had never had problems with anything like that. from reading on the web i figured it out on my own. apparently it happens to a lot of younger people.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011 19:50 Post subject: Re: Need advice - what to tell my doc? |
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| inz wrote: | She might be on to something, there. It certainly wouldn't hurt to have a proper vacation if you haven't had one in years, no?  |
absolutely, it would be great. i just feel like that at this point in time it would take longer than a week to unravel. plus i'm still fucked if i did take off, because i am the ONLY employee here. it's a weird situation but the sum of it is i can set my own hours, answer to myself only, i work alone, etc but i don't control the money or sign my check. otherwise i do work for myself.
if i took off all that would happen is i'd have a week of work on top of what would go down the week i came back. it wouldn't really be a vacation because that whole week i'd have to worry about what i was missing out on.
i have so much shit i want to do, so many games that have come out i want to play and get caught up on. i like to play/practice on my guitar, read, or just sit around and veg out in front of the tv. i also like to try and get a workout in, or ride my bike now that the weather is warm here. my wife would like to go places and do things on the weekends. we end up with about 3 hours each night after work in which we have to unwind, cook & eat & wash dishes, shower, and then watch tv or game or whatever. those 3 hours go by quick and then i have to get to bed so i wont feel quite as bad the next day. it helps if i am asleep BY 11, not at 11.
honestly my job isn't THAT bad but somehow i stay wore out and stressed from it. i think it is mostly mental but somehow it is getting me physically also. to sum it all up it's like i just can't escape. i feel like i'd need about 6 months away, from all the regular day to day shit with no worries about money or whats happening at work or all the other trivial shit that happens on a day to day basis but adds up over months. i think it would take at least that much time to properly unravel 
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011 19:55 Post subject: |
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Could be depression.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011 20:48 Post subject: |
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| juniR wrote: | | Could be depression. |
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011 22:09 Post subject: |
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Whats this insurer stuff ?? I dont understandddd
I tell my doc everything.. because.... well they are doctors..
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011 22:53 Post subject: |
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well if youre having health issues the best thing to do is to tell your doctor the truth. you're going to them seeking assistance for said problem, it would make sense to tell the truth to get the best treatment, no?
i understand what you said about the insurer stuff, but isn't what you tell your doctor confidential? its not like he can turn around and tell your insurance HE WAS DOING BAD THINGS!
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011 23:21 Post subject: |
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But couldn't he? I mean sure we have doctor patient confidentiality but you know what. i'm gonna fuckin' google that and see if i can learn what he will and won't include.
@cartoon - here in the us we have to pay for insurance. if you do something they dont like they can jack your rate up or drop you and then make you pay all the bills you racked up that lead to the initial doctor visit.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011 23:35 Post subject: |
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Dude, who's your insurer?
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2011 23:50 Post subject: |
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| tainted4ever wrote: | | Dude, who's your insurer? |
Blue Cross Blue Shield
not really seeing anything obvious on google about what they can and can't report. i gotta go do some exercise but i will see what else i can find on google once i get home.
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2011 06:57 Post subject: |
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what were you cycling? and most importantly, how?
Seems like a hormonal imbalance.
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2011 08:19 Post subject: |
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| killabyte wrote: | | tainted4ever wrote: | | Dude, who's your insurer? |
Blue Cross Blue Shield
not really seeing anything obvious on google about what they can and can't report. i gotta go do some exercise but i will see what else i can find on google once i get home. |
You from Canada? I am blue cross as well.
Yes your doctor has to keep your tests results private so he WONT rat you out. He would loose his lic.
What happens tho is that you sign an agreement with health insurance and you can't lie on that. I don't believe I mentioned any medical conditons because I didn't have any. I believe in Canada we are very safe with that stuff. We have coverage for every health issue or disease. Blue Cross is extended medical, gets you a bunch of other perks like private rooms in hosipitals, natropaths, massage therapy, dental, perscriptions.
What we have to watch out for is outside medical insurance, like travel insurance. It asks you if you had any medical conditions, or if you had any recent blood work done and what were the results. This will get checked, you will have to sign a release to have them reimburse you, or if they pay upfront, you will have to reimburse them if you are caught lying.
Where I personally have been fucked over is with a "line of credit" - Insurance. I have some health problems in which I was honest about on the form. An underwritter called me back with more detailed questions and they denied me insurance.
If you aren't comfortable with your doctor get a new one. Most doctors are used to people lying so he shouldn't take it personally.
The only thing (I can think of) that a doctor will report is if you are doctor shopping for perscription narcotics. Then , the only place he will call into is the provincial pharm. program and flag your account so that you may not abuse the system.
Trust me Doctors don't give a shit about reporting anybody to insurance companies. Only with signed release will they release any info to insurance companies.
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2011 08:52 Post subject: |
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Seriously.. tell ur doctor everything.. hell I even tell mine if I have smoked weed/done E etc....
Granted I have no idea how this insurance thing works.. but your health is more important I imagine
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2011 08:59 Post subject: |
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Ya, Insurance = Health in some countries.
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2011 09:24 Post subject: |
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I thought it was free in Canada thou ?
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2011 09:37 Post subject: |
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| -=Cartoon=- wrote: | | Granted I have no idea how this insurance thing works.. but your health is more important I imagine |
Basically in the US health care is all paid for directly by the patient. Because it's so expensive they run insurance schemes in the US to cover the cost of treatment.
Each person is risk assessed and they pay insurance premiums. If you have some underlying condition that puts your health more at risk you will pay higher insurance premiums. Also if you lie about some factors that affect your risk of illness (i.e. say you don't smoke when you do) then that can invalidate your insurance and you can end up paying the full cost of any necessary treatment.
It's a bit of a grey area with some information you might withhold or actually falsify but as far as insurance companies are concerned - if they can get out of paying for your treatment they always will - just like they do with other forms of insurance (i.e. leave your front door open and they'll probably not pay up if you are robbed).
In the UK we are all entitled to free health care under the National Health Service and I expect you are in the same position Cartoon. So we don't have to worry about what we tell the doctor and whether any tests might prejudice our treatment - i.e. it ain't gonna cost us more if we are naughty and take shit we shouldn't.
Edit - is he in Canada? If so I can only suppose it's the same there.
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2011 09:39 Post subject: |
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| juniR wrote: | | -=Cartoon=- wrote: | | Granted I have no idea how this insurance thing works.. but your health is more important I imagine |
Basically in the US health care is all paid for directly by the patient. Because it's so expensive they run insurance schemes in the US to cover the cost of treatment.
Each person is risk assessed and they pay insurance premiums. If you have some underlying condition that puts your health more at risk you will pay higher insurance premiums. Also if you lie about some factors that affect your risk of illness (i.e. say you don't smoke when you do) then that can invalidate your insurance and you can end up paying the full cost of any necessary treatment.
It's a bit of a grey area with some information you might withhold or actually falsify but as far as insurance companies are concerned - if they can get out of paying for your treatment they always will - just like they do with other forms of insurance (i.e. leave your front door open and they'll probably not pay up if you are robbed).
In the UK we are all entitled to free health care under the National Health Service and I expect you are in the same position Cartoon. So we don't have to worry about what we tell the doctor and whether any tests might prejudice our treatment - i.e. it ain't gonna cost us more if we are naughty and take shit we shouldn't. |
It's a bit more complicated than that. Usually big/medium-sized companies will get their HR departments to negotiate an excellent benefits package from the insurance company, which will match anything in any country in the first-world. But go outside this small (yes, I admit it's small) "peak" of good companies (usually tech companies) and what you say becomes more and more true.
Insurance companies are thieving bastards who play with the lives of people too inept to help themselves.
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2011 15:37 Post subject: |
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| Hierofan wrote: | what were you cycling? and most importantly, how?
Seems like a hormonal imbalance. |
My first cycle I used sustanon250 at 250mg a week for 10 weeks. Yes it was very tame. I read lots and lots back in those days because I didn't want to fuck myself up. I wasn't your typical jam anything in my ass for GAAAAINNNZZZ type of guy. My other cycles I ran anywhere from 400 to 500mg a week. Once was test propionate, another time it was a blend of 3 other tests (that to this day is the best shit i ever used in my life!). the last cycle was test enanthate and i turned into a real asshole taking that stuff, didn't feel like myself etc. i also started getting signs of gyno so i decided enough was enough and cycled off with my pct which is the typical clomid/nolvadex stuff every day and then every other day to get your boys working again.
these last two times i used underground labs it was test cyp and test enanthate. the cyp was at 200mg a week and when i switched to the test e it was 300mg a week. thats what i was using up until a week ago that has my test levels at 1275 so apparently it's legit and working. the first test therapy i got from a doc was that shitty gel that is messy and stinks and is expensive as hell. so he prescribed me a vial of test cypionate from the pharmacy and my dosage on that was 400mg a month. i dont know what my levels went to on that dose because they were sooo fucking slow there that i would sit for 2 hours just to have blood drawn so i thats why i bailed on that doc. as i said i have to be at work. anytime i'm not here that's money that is missed and a potential customer lost.
i did stick around for 2 months with that doc tho and i didn't feel as good as i did back during those first cycles. that stuff came from a group of guys in hong kong that have since went out of business but man they made some awesome shit.
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