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| Radicalus wrote: | | maul_inc wrote: |
Which reminds me. COD is the only only Online game I have played where there's always a Crapload of foulmouthed children and sad Fucks (Didn't expect that on a PC version, but hey! It's COD).  |
I don't know, if it's because I'm getting older, but these days, I simply have no tolerance for loudmouth 12 year olds. I might be wrong, but I swear, when I was twelve, we didn't badmouth other players, especially older ones - and better ones. Of course, when I was twelve, we played DOOM  |
When I was twelve, the internet didn't exist 
At least not for the public.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 22:16 Post subject: |
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| maul_inc wrote: | | Radicalus wrote: | | maul_inc wrote: |
Which reminds me. COD is the only only Online game I have played where there's always a Crapload of foulmouthed children and sad Fucks (Didn't expect that on a PC version, but hey! It's COD). |
I don't know, if it's because I'm getting older, but these days, I simply have no tolerance for loudmouth 12 year olds. I might be wrong, but I swear, when I was twelve, we didn't badmouth other players, especially older ones - and better ones. Of course, when I was twelve, we played DOOM |
When I was twelve, the internet didn't exist
At least not for the public. |
We played in Computer Clubs, as they call it here - and in school - great place to shoot it up.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 22:24 Post subject: |
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| Radicalus wrote: | | me7 wrote: | | Kyorisu wrote: | | And what you want games that don't punish people for camping? You want to prone on the ground with sniper rifles and kill anyone who dares have the crazy idea of moving? |
Actually I don't want anything since I'm not interested in multiplayer shooters.
I just know people who praise Battlefield 2 and consider it a true PC game because you can't run-and-gun and a big MGs are only useful when you strategically pick a position to prone at the beginning of a confrontation - otherwise you can't hit shit.
Apparently there are two kinds of elitists, the Battlefield 2 elitists and the Unreal Tournament elitists, each of them considering the opposite extreme of the spectrum of shooters as "skill based". |
My longass post (a few ones back) explains, how both these are pretty deep games - one for it's tactical team play, the other for the twitch skill. MW and the likes require none of the above. They just require camping, and sometimes, getting in to position - to camp. |
The remark about MW clones is definitely true, I just wanted to point out that there are BF2 fans who regard UT and MW as hectic and chance based and UT fans who think that MW and BF2 are just for campers. The black-and-white separation of PC and console that dominated this thread isn't that simple after all.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 22:31 Post subject: |
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| me7 wrote: | | Radicalus wrote: | | me7 wrote: |
Actually I don't want anything since I'm not interested in multiplayer shooters.
I just know people who praise Battlefield 2 and consider it a true PC game because you can't run-and-gun and a big MGs are only useful when you strategically pick a position to prone at the beginning of a confrontation - otherwise you can't hit shit.
Apparently there are two kinds of elitists, the Battlefield 2 elitists and the Unreal Tournament elitists, each of them considering the opposite extreme of the spectrum of shooters as "skill based". |
My longass post (a few ones back) explains, how both these are pretty deep games - one for it's tactical team play, the other for the twitch skill. MW and the likes require none of the above. They just require camping, and sometimes, getting in to position - to camp. |
The remark about MW clones is definitely true, I just wanted to point out that there are BF2 fans who regard UT and MW as hectic and chance based and UT fans who think that MW and BF2 are just for campers. The black-and-white separation of PC and console that dominated this thread isn't that simple after all. |
Well, I think both BF2 and UT are skill based, whilst I think MW2 is not skill based. And I think console derps are the primary cause (alongside with their controller) for most modern shooters looking and playing like MW2.
I wonder, if a company took it upon himself, to create and properly advertise a PC exclusive shooter in the vein of ut99 or q3 - would they have financial success? (assuming they deliver on the promise).
I think now, more than ever, they would have huge success. Just like sc2 - which is a very old school, highly skill based RTS.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 23:06 Post subject: |
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| me7 wrote: | | Apparently there are two kinds of elitists, the Battlefield 2 elitists and the Unreal Tournament elitists, each of them considering the opposite extreme of the spectrum of shooters as "skill based". |
I like Battlefield games and UT games, what say you now? It's been a long time since I've played BF2/2142 but running and gunning was the norm for me. BC2 on the other hand seems to have attracted a certain kind of player that I want to find and rip the heads off of.
| Radicalus wrote: | | I wonder, if a company took it upon himself, to create and properly advertise a PC exclusive shooter in the vein of ut99 or q3 - would they have financial success? (assuming they deliver on the promise). |
But if you don't have levels and unlocks you won't be able to sell enough copies to satisfy whatever greedy publisher a dev signs up with.
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nemtep
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 23:11 Post subject: |
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Yeah i hate this play hide and seek bullshit. Last game i enjoyed in multiplayer was farcry predator.Like if you had full health and full armor you ould have some crazy battles. Best thing of all were the user made maps, i had like 300 maps at one point. Not pay 15$ for 4 fucking maps
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 23:17 Post subject: |
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| Kyorisu wrote: | | me7 wrote: | | Apparently there are two kinds of elitists, the Battlefield 2 elitists and the Unreal Tournament elitists, each of them considering the opposite extreme of the spectrum of shooters as "skill based". |
I like Battlefield games and UT games, what say you now? It's been a long time since I've played BF2/2142 but running and gunning was the norm for me. BC2 on the other hand seems to have attracted a certain kind of player that I want to find and rip the heads off of.
| Radicalus wrote: | | I wonder, if a company took it upon himself, to create and properly advertise a PC exclusive shooter in the vein of ut99 or q3 - would they have financial success? (assuming they deliver on the promise). |
But if you don't have levels and unlocks you won't be able to sell enough copies to satisfy whatever greedy publisher a dev signs up with. |
Let's assume the publishers go with the idea of no unlocks, or only aesthetic unlocks - what then?
I think they would have success. Tons. My PC shooter friends are still stuck playing 2004-2007 made games, because nothing release since then is as hardcore. They would eat a good new multiplayer shooter right on up!
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 23:19 Post subject: |
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Oh hey I'd kill for it to happen but sadly it won't. There are still some good FPS games coming out that aren't your bog standard console shooter but they come from smaller developers who can't afford advertising to provide long term awareness of their title. Short of a miracle game that impresses everyone we'll be stuck with the same old from all the big names with some rare exceptions.
Also levels. Fuck levels.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 23:56 Post subject: |
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| Kyorisu wrote: | | me7 wrote: | | Apparently there are two kinds of elitists, the Battlefield 2 elitists and the Unreal Tournament elitists, each of them considering the opposite extreme of the spectrum of shooters as "skill based". |
I like Battlefield games and UT games, what say you now? It's been a long time since I've played BF2/2142 but running and gunning was the norm for me. BC2 on the other hand seems to have attracted a certain kind of player that I want to find and rip the heads off of.
| Radicalus wrote: | | I wonder, if a company took it upon himself, to create and properly advertise a PC exclusive shooter in the vein of ut99 or q3 - would they have financial success? (assuming they deliver on the promise). |
But if you don't have levels and unlocks you won't be able to sell enough copies to satisfy whatever greedy publisher a dev signs up with. |
Isn't it the other way around? They won't sell enough copies because people wont buy it? Like you said it yourself, BC2 have a certain kind of players that you don't like, maybe this new kind of players is the one that buy those games. So companies just make them to their liking. Online shooters will only be successful if enough people play them, they can't just make a niche game that is to the liking of couple of dedicated gamers, they need couple of hundred players online at all time, and I doubt they can accomplish this by making a shooter where couple of very skilled guys could just mow all the newbies in minutes.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2011 00:16 Post subject: |
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TBH these days I don't enjoy any shooter, not the new stuff that's only entertaining for about 5 minutes and not the old school ones.
Tried to pick up CSS/1.6 and Quake through Quake Live but they don't do it for me, probably because I overplayed them when I was a kid.
"I think Call of Duty resonates because it's believable and relatable," Sledgehammer Games cofounder Michael Condrey says.
Believable and relatable...Yep, sounds like Call of Duty
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2011 00:37 Post subject: |
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Noobs always gotta find a reason why they are getting owned, It is never there fault for sucking.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2011 04:56 Post subject: |
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Unfortunately I disagree with many of the comments some of you have of some recent games.
You can't say a game requires no skill when you yourself have not mastered it or even gotten above newb level, then throw out absurd comments that it's the game sucking and not my skillz.
Seriously guys, for all the hating your giving in regards to mw2, you really haven't a clue. All your doing is highlighting your own skill level in said game unfortunately.. that game like any other fps is of course not without it's faults, but it is easy..
All it takes to get good at it is practice, practice, practice, practice and when you think your ready, practice some more.. then suddenly you find the game mechanic is not sucking anymore because it is you that is doing the pwning. Just like any other fps in fact..
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2011 05:19 Post subject: |
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Dude... Ur full of shit. I tried MW2 on console for the first time, i got in and owned everything. All i did was camp and use killstreaks. lol.
MW2 dont need skill. None of the new FPS's need skill.
There is no recoil or anything of the sort.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2011 05:47 Post subject: |
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I disagree, i think if you sneak up on someone or flank someone they should die first, i hate the idea that someone can just spin around and kill me because they had a bigger gun or something.
That said if you sneak up properly it rarely happens, its more if im messing around and try to knife them or something.
I do agree that camping sucks though but rather than change the mechanics they should change the game like have objectives you must meet or something.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2011 05:55 Post subject: |
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from my small personal experience, i kept owning on crysis 2 beta servers, and 90% got the "most time on the air" achievment.
o dont think anyone is saying skill is not important at all... but its less important
its like going from chess to checkers... intelligence still matters. but not so much....
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2011 06:05 Post subject: |
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Well, every time I play BC2 I am always on the top of the list usually 30/5 while others have scores like 11/12 5/30 etc.
But that's how FPS games are and always have been, there are small groups of people who are good and the rest of the people are just shitty sometimes they do good only because they are playing against other noobs. Id be in denial if I sucked as well id probably say the games take no skill than rage quit because im doing horrible.
Anyways is obvious no one here even plays in leagues or matches/tournaments and only plays in Pub games if you want a real challenge go try and play against someone who plays professionally and say there is no skill involved. They have tournaments that you can win thousands of dollars just for winning, so if these games take no skill and your so good after playing for 1 day than join one and start making some money.
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crossmr
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2011 07:15 Post subject: |
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I played my first third person cover based shooter this past weekend. Hessian has been released here in Korea.
I'm so glad I never played those before. What a load of crap.
Half the game staring at the back of someone's head, and then trying to aim through as the enemy disappears into your blind spot, and the rest of the game eating headshots.
Seeing someone first didn't really guarantee a win in this. So many times I got the drop on someone only to have them spin and headshot me.
But that's Koreans for you. He probably practised that spin and headshot a million times. Third person works when you're in cover, but if a game wants to do do that it really needs to switch back and forth smoothly.
the other problem I found with cover that was when you were in cover, you couldn't look back. You could only look forward over/around the cover. So many times I'd be watching for a guy, and someone would come the other way and I couldn't target him or attack him because I was "in cover" and my aim and view was limited. I had to break away from the wall to simply fire at the guy standing right there, losing seconds and me being killed.
This kind of shit really blows, and does reward the "who sees them first" kind of thing. The old unreal tournament was fun. I find most shooters these days to be more irritating than fun.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2011 10:10 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2011 12:36 Post subject: |
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To the two guys claiming, that we have such opinion about these games, because we suck at them ... Let me tell you, I suck at no FPS. Once you master a game like UT 2004 or CSS or even TF2, or preferably all of them, like I have (and many others on this board, too) shooting in games like MW2 becomes trivial. If I played MW2, as it was intended (i.e. camping) I racked up the kills all the time. I have really effing good aim, combined with good spots, I would kill so many in MW2, it wasn't even funny. It's when I tried a different play style, moving, dodging, taking on 3-4 people at a time, that's when the problems started, that's when MW2 showed its ugly face of artificial limits. Movement is slow, accuracy really bad, whilst moving.
Btw, just for street cred, I was a member of the second best CSS team in Romania for a few months (and got there straight from pubs - I was just simply good, and got even better fast) - but I dropped out, because I didn't want to spend time competing, I had university and job to worry about, training sessions just didn't fit in my life. I know, what it's like going against pros.
I just wish MW2 took more skill, not less!
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2011 12:42 Post subject: |
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this is why i'm waiting for Brink. if it's anything like their previous games it will be skilled players winning 1vs1 not the one that fired the first shot.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2011 16:05 Post subject: |
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| madness wrote: | | this is why i'm waiting for Brink. if it's anything like their previous games it will be skilled players winning 1vs1 not the one that fired the first shot. |
Yes, Brink does look good at times, faster paced gameplay and all, but I don't like the smart button. I don't like to move my mouse upwards to jump, or move my mouse towards the floor to crouch/slide. I like to keep my mouse pointer firmly on the head of my opponents, while I press space to jump or shift to crouch.
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