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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 12:38 Post subject: |
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freaking great !!!
i finished the sum of all fears yesterday and played enough second sight so perfect time 4 a new game !!!!
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 12:52 Post subject: |
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| xAiTheHitman wrote: | | MadK9 wrote: | | xAiTheHitman wrote: | | The same thing happened with Joint Operations. |
Umm think thats a little wrong there, JO has punkbuster, and yes before people get on their bandwagon we know PB can be bypassed and shit, but its the only thing that puts the 90% of the kiddes off from cheating, they all scared of getting the dreaded HW ban.... |
Wrong, everyone who was a cheater got the updated PB cracks. Not every server has the anti-cheat patch for the game either. And since PB was easy to crack, the people who did crack it didnt charge money like they usually do for all the rare cracked anti-cheat patches for games. Plus, PB didnt update that often. The whole thing behind AC patches is to discover new exploits (autoaim, fly, matrix, rapid grenades, etc.) and patch them in the server thats hosting. However, you can get through the patches once their cracked. The people who build these games cant do nothing about making a patch thats anti-crackable. Every game will always have exploits no matter what. The cracks just tell the game/anti-cheat patch to give it access. It bypasses it. You can build as many AC patches as you want, not going to do anything. And the big problem is the engine like I said.
Another joke of an engine to hack is the Unreal Engine. Thats exactly what Swat 4 uses. Theres already cheats such as Perfect Aim, No reticule, open doors from 10 meters away, cuff without loading bar, use tools without loading bar, and unlock the Uzi gun. Hell, you dont even have to professionally program Swat 4 either, you could do it in the .ini file. I'm sure it'll be patched soon, so the hackers will have to make a program. |
WTF you on about.... PB = Evenbalance, Not that many updates??? Man you have been smoking some funny shit... Do you understand the concept of punkbuster, saying that everyone who cheated go the updated pb crack man you living in a dream world... I play a lot of PB game,s and it does a fine damn job, and tbh would not play any games that dont have PB anymore. and as i said earlier PB aint perfect but does stop 90% of the kiddies from cheating, the other 10% are hardcore cheaters and have nothing better to do than cheat...
So next time read the post, or better still go read up on how PB works, and you will understand it dont always punt/kick/ban as soon as you cheat, it waits and watches... a very nice bit of coding...
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 13:03 Post subject: |
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| MadK9 wrote: | | xAiTheHitman wrote: | | MadK9 wrote: | | xAiTheHitman wrote: | | The same thing happened with Joint Operations. |
Umm think thats a little wrong there, JO has punkbuster, and yes before people get on their bandwagon we know PB can be bypassed and shit, but its the only thing that puts the 90% of the kiddes off from cheating, they all scared of getting the dreaded HW ban.... |
Wrong, everyone who was a cheater got the updated PB cracks. Not every server has the anti-cheat patch for the game either. And since PB was easy to crack, the people who did crack it didnt charge money like they usually do for all the rare cracked anti-cheat patches for games. Plus, PB didnt update that often. The whole thing behind AC patches is to discover new exploits (autoaim, fly, matrix, rapid grenades, etc.) and patch them in the server thats hosting. However, you can get through the patches once their cracked. The people who build these games cant do nothing about making a patch thats anti-crackable. Every game will always have exploits no matter what. The cracks just tell the game/anti-cheat patch to give it access. It bypasses it. You can build as many AC patches as you want, not going to do anything. And the big problem is the engine like I said.
Another joke of an engine to hack is the Unreal Engine. Thats exactly what Swat 4 uses. Theres already cheats such as Perfect Aim, No reticule, open doors from 10 meters away, cuff without loading bar, use tools without loading bar, and unlock the Uzi gun. Hell, you dont even have to professionally program Swat 4 either, you could do it in the .ini file. I'm sure it'll be patched soon, so the hackers will have to make a program. |
WTF you on about.... PB = Evenbalance, Not that many updates??? Man you have been smoking some funny shit... Do you understand the concept of punkbuster, saying that everyone who cheated go the updated pb crack man you living in a dream world... I play a lot of PB game,s and it does a fine damn job, and tbh would not play any games that dont have PB anymore. and as i said earlier PB aint perfect but does stop 90% of the kiddies from cheating, the other 10% are hardcore cheaters and have nothing better to do than cheat...
So next time read the post, or better still go read up on how PB works, and you will understand it dont always punt/kick/ban as soon as you cheat, it waits and watches... a very nice bit of coding... |
Actually, theres two parts to FPS games online. The cheating scene andt he legit scene. You either cheat, or you dont. Whats hard to understand about that? I've played PB games online MORE than you I think its safe to say. This includes RavenShield. I also played all the Delta Force games since Delta Force 2. In RavenShield they had all the tournaments on anti-cheat patches. There were a bunch of crackers for the game. The most popular one was Puma and he made tons of anti-cheat patches for the game and passed them around. Some of the cheats he did sell yes, but the anti-cheat cracks he gave away. This is no different to the Novalogic games, but different crackers. Also, I wasnt talking about the kick/ban. I was talking about how NovaWorld on the older Delta Force games did nothing to defeat cheaters. Its a common fact. Read up on any Delta Force board. They have the same complaints on Team Warfare.
As far as Swat 4 cheats go. Heres the proof that theres already cheats online for that game.
http://www.mpcforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=21
Do you also know how long PunkBuster anti-cheat sytem has been out now? A long time. Its very crackable. Sure, it takes time for the updates, but its crackable. And there isnt updates EVERY month. I bet you know nothing about how PB works only cept you just happened to use it on 1-2 games, not knowing how it works, or the actual cracking of it. When you cant script using .ini files (thats sad considering Swat 4 came out and it has bypasses around it already), you can sure as hell make programs. Do you even know the type of coding that is used on AA? If a game doesnt come with autoaim, or if your looking to use it on a different part of the body, you must use ASM. Again, the PunkBuster AC system is outdated. Do you want tutorials on HOW to crack it? Thats easy to find. First you must possess the skills to do so.
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 13:32 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I've played PB games online MORE than you I think its safe to say. |
How can you say that, you dont know me, and dont know what i play, I also played Raven Shield, JO, COD, AA, Farcry, SF 2, BF1942, BF Vietnam, so there ya go a few that i can name of the top of my head i play online... BUt again thats not the argument here...
| Quote: | | I bet you know nothing about how PB works only cept you just happened to use it on 1-2 games |
I know a lot more about PB than you think, but thats not the argument here, i did say there are 10% of hardcore cheaters to get around PB, yes ive been in DF clans right from DF1 right upto Joint Ops, and yes i totally agree Novawank have never helped the community by incorpewrating anti-cheat, but i do think they went the right way by getting PB for Joint Ops, but does this include DF Extreme i think not, as i dont see any where on Evenbalance's site about supporting this new novawank game..
This is getting to be a personal attack on each other, i agreed with you that Cheaters are rife in novawank games, but with the inclusion of PB in JO this saw a dramatic drop in cheaters, BHD a game which i still play is unfortunalty so full of cheats you cant trust anyone anymore... And again this is the fault of nova...
Yes there are ways to bypass PB but this is out of the realms to the average kiddie playing games online which equates to roughly 70-85% of the players at anyone time... So lets not get confused here i back your argument but then you seem to have missed the basic funtion that it also stops 90% in the same vein...
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 13:35 Post subject: |
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bottom line is.. pb sucks ass.
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 13:53 Post subject: |
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usenet filename ???
flename for the fix ???
pls !
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 14:04 Post subject: |
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ok you noob an moderator ban you soon
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 14:05 Post subject: |
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bye bye mexipad...read the rules next time!
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 14:22 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 15:03 Post subject: |
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| Selt wrote: | vng-dfx
vng-dfx.fix |
thx !!! |
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 15:07 Post subject: |
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is this also "only online" like the last joint ops. so on, or is it like the first DF or like black hawk down?
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 15:51 Post subject: |
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@Selt all 3 serials are a bit odd.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 16:21 Post subject: |
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| HeroMan wrote: | | @Selt all 3 serials are a bit odd. |
those are really weird serials...game was leeching while i was in the shower, just viewed the nfo
i havent tested the game yet, do they actually work? and did vng like make these serials up and add them to the game somehow? or is it a dupe? |
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 16:28 Post subject: |
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Well guess the only thing vng can do what 'looks' like cracking is serial snuffing. So guess they wanted to find some 'funny' ones?
Let's me think of Devaince with dev in almost every serial of them. And Reloaded is doing this to.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 16:32 Post subject: |
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i wonder why they do this?
another way to tag releases?
i mean, as long as the serial works, who cares, but it still is interesting.
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swebarb
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 16:57 Post subject: |
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what is so odd with serials i dont get it ?
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 17:09 Post subject: |
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| MadK9 wrote: | | Quote: | | I've played PB games online MORE than you I think its safe to say. |
How can you say that, you dont know me, and dont know what i play, I also played Raven Shield, JO, COD, AA, Farcry, SF 2, BF1942, BF Vietnam, so there ya go a few that i can name of the top of my head i play online... BUt again thats not the argument here...
| Quote: | | I bet you know nothing about how PB works only cept you just happened to use it on 1-2 games |
I know a lot more about PB than you think, but thats not the argument here, i did say there are 10% of hardcore cheaters to get around PB, yes ive been in DF clans right from DF1 right upto Joint Ops, and yes i totally agree Novawank have never helped the community by incorpewrating anti-cheat, but i do think they went the right way by getting PB for Joint Ops, but does this include DF Extreme i think not, as i dont see any where on Evenbalance's site about supporting this new novawank game..
This is getting to be a personal attack on each other, i agreed with you that Cheaters are rife in novawank games, but with the inclusion of PB in JO this saw a dramatic drop in cheaters, BHD a game which i still play is unfortunalty so full of cheats you cant trust anyone anymore... And again this is the fault of nova...
Yes there are ways to bypass PB but this is out of the realms to the average kiddie playing games online which equates to roughly 70-85% of the players at anyone time... So lets not get confused here i back your argument but then you seem to have missed the basic funtion that it also stops 90% in the same vein... |
That is the arguement here. The more PB oriented games that you play online, you'll see the amount of cheaters there are. They outweight the amount of what its worth to play the games online. I speak for the people who think PB sucks ass. And if you really did play all those games online, good for you. You should also of seen the community of cheaters each one has.
The game isnt bad. Its the community thats bad. Most of them are cheaters. Thats a fact. And that applys strictly to the DF community. The only difference is a good cheater and a bad cheater. The good ones are the ones who dont get caught. Thats why they dont pass out autoaim for DF games because you cant even notice it. Certain cheats like that are spread privately.
Heh, just because Novaworld finally got an anti-cheat system (PB which is no good), doesnt mean shit. The are cheaters, and than there are the real hackers. The hackers spread the crack for the PB patch to the cheating community. Therefore, everyone who wants to cheat uses it. Than the peopl who are actually legit playing the game, feel compelled to actually use the cheats because they cant beat the cheaters legitimately.
Its as easy as applying the PB anti cheat patch to your game, and using your trainers again. Not hard. All you have to do is download the patch.
Hey, I remember playing BHD the first day it came out online. Theres no cheaters usually on new games for the first 1-2 days. Maybe even longer. But than programs are finally made, and its all over before the community actually began.
See, this is actually what I'm getting at. Most of the people dont know how to crack anti cheat patches, much less make the trainers. But once they get the trainers, and the cracked PB patches, well than thats easy. Hey, its as easy as downloading a trainer.
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 19:13 Post subject: |
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| swebarb wrote: | | what is so odd with serials i dont get it ? |
the first and and the third can be read as sentences from the beginning till the end
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 19:20 Post subject: |
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well, been playing the game and it feels like the same game from the 90's
the graphics are a lil better, the vehicles are cool but other than that, this is a very old style of game...and when u have amazing team based military games, this one is just crap...nostalgic value yes...but the key question is, can u play through the first 4 missions without gettin bored and uninstalling?
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 20:29 Post subject: |
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anyone know if there's any way to play lan coop? That might be fun...
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 23:02 Post subject: |
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| DeliMastah wrote: | | is this also "only online" like the last joint ops. so on, or is it like the first DF or like black hawk down? |
i would like to know too before i leech it
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2005 23:38 Post subject: |
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played the first missions in campain 1 and 2 !!!!
the game is ok !!
but the AI is more than just dumb !!!!!
whatever
uninstalled it
and going to play close combat NOW !!!!
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