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TheDuck
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as far i know lambada (i guess you meant loaders thing) it started like reloaded vs hoodlum, but ended like all groups vs hoodlum. face it
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 21:52 Post subject: |
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again...1 question...WHO CARES?!
Obviously, that dude freak sow belongs in the scene whore category (as oppose to leech).
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 23:58 Post subject: |
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Gentelmans, I suppose it's a good moment to stop all the bashing and talk like humans do. Let's erase the dudgeons and continue normal discussion or someone will call us "really pathetic" and I'll have to agree.
Please keep on talking, without bashing and screaming at Hoodlum, Reloaded, Ultima and all other teams. After reading this thread we already know all the facts. What's even more funny is that we had even a lesson of pcodes so I hope now everything is clear and at least part of you fully growed to this moment.
Thanks for those who agree.
I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy next to me.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 05:07 Post subject: |
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i found this on the isonews forum...translated tech info from a rusian forum he says - thought some of you guys would be interested in it - i dont know if its right or wrong so dont reply callin me stupid lol 
LordHypnos
Posted: 04-17-2005 06:46 PM Subject:
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http://www.bestmedia.kiev.ua/forum/index.php
that is a russian-language forum with lots of starforce discussion (how it works and how to bypass it), but you need to speak russian to understand it. I'll try to translate the main points:
1. StarForce modifies the windows kernel in order to get exclusive rights to your OS. Im not sure, but I dont think it modifies any files, instead it modifies code flow in memory.
2. StarForce uses custom drivers to access your CD drive at low level (sending commands to it directly). That is why using USB drives and such bypasses StarForce: with USB, it cannot send commands direcly to the drive and has to go through USB interface instead.
3. To detect emulation, StarForce locks out access to your filesystem (it has kernel access, so it is able to do so). This detects the emulation because dtools/alcohol never load the entire image into memory, they only load needed parts. When data that is not in the memory is requested, they load it from HDD. But if StarForce disables HDD access during copy protection check, dtools/alcohol do not have the data in memory and cannot read it from HDD and check fails. Someone on that forum recommended storing the image on a network drive and mounting it from there, so that may work.
Once again, this is just a rough translation of whats available on that forum.
If you ask me, modifying someone else's code might be illegal. Also, locking out HDD access can lead to data loss and problems. StarForce uses questionable techniques to protect the data, and I think that is why you dont see many games using it. Also, StarForce (due to the nature of its protection) needs blank CDs to be very similar to each other (physically) when they're being printed. That is not a problem for a company if they're only using 1 place to press them and all their blanks come from the same manufacturer, but if they have lots of pressing plants and use different media, then using StarForce can be painfull.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 05:54 Post subject: |
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| Takenover83 wrote: | What happened to my account.... Just because I don't post in awhile they decided to delete me ah well. Here goes.
Sorry for the ignorance guys but I went out and bought Splinter Cell 3 Chaos Theory and have been trying to get it backed up like the rest of you. Here is my story. Knowledge is power and I feel we all should share are experiences with this.
I am getting two different errors but did manage to get past one of them.
1st Error Message: "Put the Game in a different drive blah blah"
I managed to get past the this first error message by disabling my DvD drive with Starforce nightmare. My dvd drive is on the 2nd channel master so in Starforce I clicked "Sc.Master Off" to disable the drive. For reference the drive did not get 100% disabled for some reason when I clicked "Disable CD"(I still got the error, put game in different drive").
2nd Error Message: The Disc Key entered does not correspond to the disc in the drive. Make sure to use the correct Disc Key.
Im not sure if I will be able to get past this message but I will keep trying different things.
For reference I created a Cd Image of my game with Alcohol 120 (v2802). I read the DPM info at the lowest possible setting as well as the data at the lowest possible setting. The image was created before I installed the game. The file sizes are
MDS: 38,614 bytes
MDF: 4,493,174,784 bytes
This is for the USA version of the game.
Now here is a question. Im guessing everyone's retail disk has a unique key printed on it. So if I took my cd over a friend's house who already had the game installed (from his own retail copy) then I should get error #2 when I put my cd in his drive, correct? The game ship's with two cd keys. One for single player and one for Multiplayer. Im guessing there is a 3rd KEY(hidden) imprinted on the disk. |
seems like u made a working back up dude nice
and yeah, technically it shouldnt work on ur buddy's pc - i dunno for sure, but thats what i assume
i dont know about the 3rd key, it seems logical tho
i know ppl who bought this game, and had problems, that same error when they used original disc + unique key...have to email ubisoft and they dont respond in a timely fashion so i gather.
Well, if ur gunna play around with it, if u dont mind post ur results, interesting...cuz lately, im kinda expecting someone "non-scene" to come up with a fix. Must be someone out there that will get the combination of things u need to do right...or maybe thats just wishful thinking |
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 06:15 Post subject: |
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K I just tried the "Network Method", mentioned above.
Installed alcohol 120 (v2802) on my 2nd pc and copied over my Cd image.
Mounted the image and then shared the drive so my pc could access it.(On my pc) I then right clicked on "My Computer" and chose "Map network Drive".
I uninstalled and reinstalled the game from the networked drive. The thing is I think my Pc see's the network drive as something besides a "Cd Drive". It seem's the network drive is not recongized as a actual cd drive, so SCCT keep's asking for the cd.
This is probally a error on my part of not networking the drive properly. In "My Computer" the drive has a Harddrive icon even though it is a cdrom...
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 06:16 Post subject: |
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try burning on an dvd-rw or dvd+rw disc ,Soldiers ww worked that way..with cd-rw so maybe theire is an chance to get this game working on an DVD-rw or DVD+RW ,and burn at 1x speed. and try the copy in all youre dvdrom drives not burner.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 07:24 Post subject: |
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(Splinter Cell 3 Chaos Theory)
Omg I got it to work. Not sure why it worked because I really didnt try anything new. If you own the game please try this and report back. I successfully loaded the game from my backup that I created from my retail disk. The backup was loaded from my regular DVD-RW that is not USB. Here is what I did.
1: Created a Image with Alcohol 120% (lastest version). I read the RMPS at the lowest settings (Precision High), same for the data. Read at the lowest settings to prevent errors.
2: Now this is the wierd part. Burn the image at the lowest settings and DO NOT burn the RMPS data to the disk. I burned it to DVDR.
It took along time to get past the protection screen(even froze my pc for a few seconds) but it did load. I tested it with 1.0 and 1.01, both load.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 08:14 Post subject: |
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Tell us please wich burner and wich dvdrom you have and wich media brand you used.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 08:23 Post subject: |
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| highstuff wrote: | | Tell us please wich burner and wich dvdrom you have and wich media brand you used. |
pretty sure he has a scsi dvd, works the same as usb drive for me
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 10:18 Post subject: |
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| Selt wrote: | | highstuff wrote: | | Tell us please wich burner and wich dvdrom you have and wich media brand you used. |
pretty sure he has a scsi dvd, works the same as usb drive for me |
he did not mention that in his post..
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 19:22 Post subject: |
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but also, if he has a unqiue key as he bought the game, it wont work for anyone else ya know
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 21:12 Post subject: |
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True, but maybe there's a way around that 2, let's wait for his reply and hopefully he'll bring joy and happiness and stop the goddamned flaming here 
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geez sry  but isn't that a torrent ? |
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 21:26 Post subject: |
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Do you ppl never give up... If you want to play it so badly just buy the game... Otherwise wait for a cracked rel, or wait for new DT... according to the development team... it works with every SF3 game released till now...
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 21:41 Post subject: |
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Will do, i'm just a pour student, already bought Half-Life 2...
I just wanna try teh game be4 buying it, and the demo didn't show enough...
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geez sry but isn't that a torrent ? |
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005 00:21 Post subject: |
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Sorry guys, work sucks.
I used a regular DVDRW drive. The model is a popular one.
Lite-On DvD+RW LDW-401S.
I tried it with two different DVDR media brands and it worked on both so I do not think that is a factor. Anymore question's I will try my best to answer them.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005 01:11 Post subject: |
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| Takenover83 wrote: | Sorry guys, work sucks.
I used a regular DVDRW drive. The model is a popular one.
Lite-On DvD+RW LDW-401S.
I tried it with two different DVDR media brands and it worked on both so I do not think that is a factor. Anymore question's I will try my best to answer them. |
OK so u burned ur back up copy the way instructed right?
Now the key question
Are u running it off of a USB Drive/SCSI drive or a regular IDE drive?
If ur using an IDE drive, please post ur exact configurations - like hardware, burning specs, dvdr media type, whether u used any workaround like a mount, starfuck, starforce nightmare, physcially disabling ide drive, bios editing etc
all those things above make a difference when it comes to this game |
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005 01:20 Post subject: |
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Im using a regular IDE DVDRW drive. I thought you could figure that out when I said above that I had it hooked into the secondary master.
Why would I use Starforce nightmare or Starfuck if I am actually using my dvd drive to load the backup?
I still have my virtual drive enabled(alcohol) and did not need to disable it in order for the backup to load from the dvd drive. I did not mess with my bios or anything of that sort. If you need the specs of my dvd burner, google it. I posted the model number above. Keep firing the questions away but make sure you can't answer it with information that I already provided above.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005 08:48 Post subject: |
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Great work pal ok i have some questions
1 Wich Firmware do you have in the Liteon burner.
2 Wich dvd drive did you use to make the alcohol image also the Liteon burner ?
3 How long does it take for the backup to bypass the starforce check.
4 Did you burn on + or - media? and wich brand ?
Thanks.
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kaine
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005 09:56 Post subject: |
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| kaine wrote: | | highstuff wrote: | starforce team is just lucky but they won't keep the luck . 
by the way there are more starforce titles cracked then not cracked. |
No, actually I think we are lucky Starforce 3 is so successfull that they have Starforce 4 gathering dust .
PS: List of sf3 games will increase with 2-3 new titles this week, keep your eyes open |
ooOOOOooOOOo...inside info?
j/k man
and if it really is, nice |
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kaine
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005 10:23 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | iIf you ask me, modifying someone else's code might be illegal. Also, locking out HDD access can lead to data loss and problems. StarForce uses questionable techniques to protect the data, and I think that is why you dont see many games using it. Also, StarForce (due to the nature of its protection) needs blank CDs to be very similar to each other (physically) when they're being printed. That is not a problem for a company if they're only using 1 place to press them and all their blanks come from the same manufacturer, but if they have lots of pressing plants and use different media, then using StarForce can be painfull. |
Modifying code flow is what any helper program that works on another one does. If you're going to call SF illegal you also have to call any debugger, tracer and VMWare, virtual drives, etc, illegal as they are taking other programs and emulating, modifying their code flow by passing them through their own code. For SF3 to be on risky ground it would need to modify the code permanently, not transiently as it passes through memory / registers.
Locking out HDD access won't lead to data loss and problems as programs request exclusive access, SF can't 'force' the kernel to do anything, and the drive can't be mounted / unmounted / exclusively claimed until no longer active. A number of programs can and do request exclusive access to system resources, this is what hardware interrupts are for.
Remember kids, SF3 isn't the only copy protection installing device drivers on your machine. UAService mean anything? 
Starforce's DVD/CD checks aren't what make it strong, there's more to it than just checking the drives. Haven't seen any publishers complaining of mass replication issues with it.
Perhaps the low take up is due to contracts expiring. Notice that SD4 is evolving towards an SF3 style scheme now, think the days of purely wrapper based protection are disappearing. As a game publisher I'd be looking at SF3 as slightly immature technology but the time between release and crack (REAL crack where publisher didn't release non-SF3 versions anywhere, and where SF3 Pro with VM options are on) would make me see the dollar/pound/euro signs.
A Ubi release soon on its' way by the way is The Bard's Tale, however I foresee no issues here as the demo is completely unprotected *ahem*  one for groups to get the comparison tool onto when it's released
On another issue, Silent Hunter 3, I notice that the RLD release comes with exe and 2 dlls in the cracked files section, unlike the more recent releases. Anyone have any ideas about this one? Naughty, naughty RLD! It's either a dodgy group of files or a 'loader' 
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kaine
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005 10:37 Post subject: |
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Thumbs up on your condensed explanation CableMunkeh
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005 12:08 Post subject: |
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| kaine wrote: |
PS: List of sf3 games will increase with 2-3 new titles this week, keep your eyes open |
List of new SF3 protected games ? or
List of cracked SF3 protected games... ?
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kaine
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Apr 2005 12:19 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I think they don't have SF4 yet... they will simply evolve SF3 to its limits... And SF4 will probably be very similar to SF3, so it should be simpler to crack than it was with SF3 at the begining... |
I would agree to this theory.
| Quote: | List of new SF3 protected games ? or
List of cracked SF3 protected games... ? |
I suppose he means the list of new titles using Starforce.
| Quote: | | On another issue, Silent Hunter 3, I notice that the RLD release comes with exe and 2 dlls in the cracked files section, unlike the more recent releases. Anyone have any ideas about this one? Naughty, naughty RLD! It's either a dodgy group of files or a 'loader' |
Reloaded, the only one who ridiculed this kind of cracks, using THIS solution?
I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy next to me.
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