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| CableMunkeh wrote: | | bigboy177 wrote: | A very simple way to check if the protection was cracked... And simple enough for every one to understand... Cause you don't have to RE exes... Sometimes the simplest ways are the hardest to find... 
| olger901 wrote: | Just played it, cool game and features, though the controls are clumsy and graphics aren't that great either. 
BTW: Here is some proof that the executables from the Second.Sight-RELOADED release are protected with Starforce 3.4.62. So now please stop all the rumours and the bitching about it, because it's cracked.
secondsight.exe = The cracked exe
secondsighta.exe = The original exe
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I just checked all of the cracked RLD exes... (They can be found on GCW)... Each of them has SF3... Betas or review versions wouldn't have SF3 inside... That's a great proof that RLD can infact crack SF3... |
When did anyone say RLD couldn't break SF3?
There are many flavours, various buttons on the SF protection wizard that can be ticked no doubt. It's a known fact some review / beta versions come with the basic SF wrapper, which is not particularly strong in the grand scheme, certainly not a match for the wrapper based protections.
A-Ray's check is a fairly quick and simple one, probably nothing more than a check for a .sforce section in the EXE, nothing too strenuous.
Regarding how deep into SF3 RLD can go, some versions of SF3 like any other program have bugs in them which allow people to make them act in ways they wouldn't normally.
Enough about pcodes already, SF3 protections are more than just how big the VM is, it's also how that VM is protected and what the SF3 code does to frustrate debugging.
Might be a good time for this thread to go to sleep before it becomes even more of a haven for FUD. |
Yeah you surely have got answer for anything... Tell me have you ever seen a beta, or a review version of a game... ?
Ofcourse there are many possibilities to protect with SF3, some are harder some are not... But few days ago ppl claimed that beta/review versions that RLD got were unprotected... And now suddenly they are protected with weaker versions of SF3... Oh OK...
A-Ray check is very basic I know... But If we can't start posting RE code of the game...
1. I don't think we can do it on nforce...
2. 99% of ppl here won't understand a thing we write...
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 17:59 Post subject: |
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who do we see here..... Freakshow, the hidden guru
let's look, a Relofaked member! everybody STAND UP!
| Quote: | Something I am interested in though is comments in releases like:
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Freakshow (7/10) 2005-04-16 14:41:31
7/10 for the game
10/10 for sf3 + 18 pcodes
5/10 for time after store
sum up 7/10
Just out of interest how did you know this Mr Freakshow?
Another comment also was there which was interesting:
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rogal (6/10) 2005-04-16 15:05:21
sf3 + 18 pcodes ? Toca Pro Race Driver 2: sf3 + 17 pcodes. Crack it RLD !
How come people appear to know the pcode counts in sf3 releases? |
get lost and scream the idiotic slogans ("CRACK IT RLD!, CRACK IT RLD!") elsewhere...... Relofaked swindler
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 18:11 Post subject: |
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Freakshow: I suugest to change your nick and continue fighting for Reloaded with another name (it's free so why not?).
One personal request from me: could you please, as biased Reloaded member (let me guess: you're not member but very close friend), don't vote anymore on nforce? Thank you.
I've enough of deceitfulness this week. Is the scene really so dismal?
I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy next to me.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 18:46 Post subject: |
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Actually Freakshow, if you are fairly close as it seems to RLD, where's the crack of SCCT which was 'a couple of days away' a week ago?
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 19:04 Post subject: |
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I bet he is "just finishing" the crack.
@Freakshow
Do not lose your time on posting. I think we all would prefer you to continue cracking Splinter Cell and Toca 2 instead of posting here. Take care of Reloaded crack and we will take care of its advertisement.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 19:29 Post subject: |
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| CableMunkeh wrote: | | Actually Freakshow, if you are fairly close as it seems to RLD, where's the crack of SCCT which was 'a couple of days away' a week ago? |
Sorry to give u a great disapointment ... im far away from rld and also for the scene ...
for scct i can give u the following hints:
new sf3 vm, 23 opcodes protected by that sf3 vm, no miniimage possible because of addional filechecks during sf3
new keyroutine .. moved from 2 layers to 3 layers with an addional crc added.
about 400mb of data protected in hidden data files.
i guess there will never ever be a sf3 crack for scct by rld as its alot work to fix this in the way they crack sf3 ...
ultimas way would work on it but ultima stoped because ther cmr2005 and xpand rally releases got flamed like hell here in this forumzone
for a crack you can only get on ur knees and pray for ultima or immersion comeback and for ultima i can promisse u never ever because a grp of assholes in this forum fucks them and stupid trader/nukers in scene!
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TheDuck
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 21:55 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Thing is, groups dont need lamers like ppl here running around screaming who's elite and who's not and like you said they might stop. |
Excuse me, who are you and what did you achieve (science? cracking?) to call these people, including myself, lamers? Please tell me why do you think that you are better than me? Because of your nick?
Next, where did you see the word "elite"? Aren't you a little mad in your invectives? Actually you're the only one who used the word "elite". Please help me and explain this. I hope you will be specific, without redundant stories.
| Quote: | | Personally i dont know why they're still doing it |
Are you doing that intentionally or just play dumb? As long as gurus, like you create yourself, will provoke by calling others "lamers" you will see them "doing it".
I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy next to me.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 22:01 Post subject: |
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| Freakshow wrote: | | lAmBaDa wrote: | who do we see here..... Freakshow, the hidden guru
let's look, a Relofaked member! everybody STAND UP!
| Quote: | Something I am interested in though is comments in releases like:
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Freakshow (7/10) 2005-04-16 14:41:31
7/10 for the game
10/10 for sf3 + 18 pcodes
5/10 for time after store
sum up 7/10
Just out of interest how did you know this Mr Freakshow?
Another comment also was there which was interesting:
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rogal (6/10) 2005-04-16 15:05:21
sf3 + 18 pcodes ? Toca Pro Race Driver 2: sf3 + 17 pcodes. Crack it RLD !
How come people appear to know the pcode counts in sf3 releases? |
get lost and scream the idiotic slogans ("CRACK IT RLD!, CRACK IT RLD!") elsewhere...... Relofaked swindler |
simple ... because i know how to get into sf3 vm ... u not
and im sure even hlm can count pcodes as its nothing else then after a simple lordpe dump u get into rebuilding and see how many opcodes are still crypted ... these are protected by sf3 vm .. so every1 that can run a clone or buy a game and alt tab out of the game can do that ... its no big secret
and sorry to disapoint u ... im not rld ... i just know how sf3 works and i can crack it if this sece wouldnt be filled with assholes like u i would still be in the scene but for now im gone and im proud of it as the scene filled with assholes like u very often play (not always to be honest but about 95%) that cant even debug proper in my eyes.
maybe the hints help u ... |
lmao
honestly, im not debating ur cracking ability cuz there is no way to verify...BUT, since ur "so close" to the scene, wouldnt be be smart NOT TO ADVERTISE...and really, who cares, ur debating cracking with a buncha leechers....
I mean, if i was so "l33t" i wouldnt give a shit as to what anyone on here said...
Personally man, no offence intended...u sound like a 14 year old, I dont believe the "scene" is filled with such immature ppl like yourself. It puts security at risk..."l33t" kids going around talking shit gets others booked...this is any form of illegal activity...
Anyway, just an observation
I could be wrong and u could be the main RLD cracker right? (not being sarcastic)
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 22:45 Post subject: |
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It would be really great if some mod closed this thread...
I started it to stop the bashing... and instead, there's even more bashing... I guess there's no one here able to have normal conversation without bashing at each other...
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 23:35 Post subject: |
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That's not funny.
Think about yourself being the kid from photo. Not enough? Then think about your children.
I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy next to me.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 23:57 Post subject: |
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Gentelmans, I suppose it's a good moment to stop all the bashing and talk like humans do. Let's erase the dudgeons and continue normal discussion or someone will call us "really pathetic" and I'll have to agree.
Please keep on talking, without bashing and screaming at Hoodlum, Reloaded, Ultima and all other teams. After reading this thread we already know all the facts. What's even more funny is that we had even a lesson of pcodes so I hope now everything is clear and at least part of you fully growed to this moment.
Thanks for those who agree.
I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy next to me.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 06:28 Post subject: |
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| kachain wrote: | Freakshow: I suugest to change your nick and continue fighting for Reloaded with another name (it's free so why not?).
One personal request from me: could you please, as biased Reloaded member (let me guess: you're not member but very close friend), don't vote anymore on nforce? Thank you.
I've enough of deceitfulness this week. Is the scene really so dismal? |
Just to let you know ... im not Reloaded nor do i have any contact to them and to understand sf3 its no need for that. And i dont defeat them as i do not realy like them anyway but at least they dont send their ppl here to fight for them - respect for that! as they ignore this board! other grps esp hoodlum sends their n00bs out to fight against every rld crack and that was once a reason the grp i worked for stoped doing cracks and all this shit continued. PPl here are not worth to get crcks for.
Second Sight - RLD - full cracked SF3
Obscure - RLD - full cracked SF3
SuperPower 2 - RLD - full cracked SF3
Scrapland - DIE - full removed SF3 (where ever this big datafile comes from, as for sure in uk Scrapland data is not protected)
Chaos League - RLD - full cracked SF3
SRS - RLD - unprotected eu retail exe (fr/it/de at least)
Garfield - RLD - full cracked SF3 (not even compareable to the unpotected polish but for sure a help if looked at)
Will of Steel - RLD - full cracked SF3
Star Wolves - NOGRP - full cracked SF3
Maximus XV - NOGRP - full cracked sf3
so what i see 3 grps can do sf3, not every sf3 is as difficult as the other but at least Chaos League, Obscure, Second Sight are not easy and alot of work!
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 13:01 Post subject: |
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What about Trackmania - Power Up!
No one cracked that one, while the original trackmania was cracked..
Well, someday it'll be as easy as cracking Securom and stuff....(hopefully)
SCCT will not be long now, reloaded will find a way to make that 400mb cracked shit fuck off and make one cracked .exe, cuz they can bypass the crap, can't they?
| Deadelius wrote: |
geez sry  but isn't that a torrent ? |
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 13:47 Post subject: |
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| Fietspomp wrote: | What about Trackmania - Power Up!
No one cracked that one, while the original trackmania was cracked..
Well, someday it'll be as easy as cracking Securom and stuff....(hopefully)
SCCT will not be long now, reloaded will find a way to make that 400mb cracked shit fuck off and make one cracked .exe, cuz they can bypass the crap, can't they? |
Yes thay can... they proved it... It only takes time...
SF3 will be crackable very quickly in future, but right now it takes much time...
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 14:12 Post subject: |
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| Fietspomp wrote: | What about Trackmania - Power Up!
No one cracked that one, while the original trackmania was cracked..
Well, someday it'll be as easy as cracking Securom and stuff....(hopefully)
SCCT will not be long now, reloaded will find a way to make that 400mb cracked shit fuck off and make one cracked .exe, cuz they can bypass the crap, can't they? |
Trackmania Power up is somehow dupe of the normal trackmania. And i dot think there will be a crack for it anyway anymore as its damn old and Trackmania 2 is already in stores.
for SCCT im pretty sure that with amount of time either rld or hdlm can crack the exe ... about the data stuff i dont know as rld never did something like this yet. Maybe pray on DIE? they had a big data file in their scrapland crack ... maybe these guys can? But to be honest i have no clue where it comes from but without it its not working so sure needed.
but for splinter cell i guess u have to wait a bit longer in my eyes, depends on how the nogrp guys and hlm guys learn sf3 cracking or if rld changes their way to crack it.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 14:40 Post subject: |
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starforce developers have found out some nice anti cracking tricks hehe but they can't keep it up like this there will be an end of the road for them then they have to go back to the drawing board to learn and study and create something else as difficult but that can take at least 3,4 years.
don't forget that sf3 came wen the scene had an huge depression .FLT,Razor busted IMS probably wounded..,so it take some time to recover .
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 14:49 Post subject: |
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| highstuff wrote: | starforce developers have found out some nice anti cracking tricks hehe but they can't keep it up like this there will be an end of the road for them then they have to go back to the drawing board to learn and study and create something else as difficult but that can take at least 3,4 years.
don't forget that sf3 came wen the scene had an huge depression .FLT,Razor busted IMS probably wounded..,so it take some time to recover . |
Actually I'd say the scene itself is responsible for the issues with SF3, while the intent is on reversing their programs fully and that takes months I don't think they need to pull anything else out of the hat.
The whole point isn't to make game protection impossible to break but to deter and delay long enough that the casual downloader will buy the game rather than wait for a release.
Those who are willing to wait months for a release rather than buy the game wouldn't have bought it anyway, no revenue lost there. All it takes is to persuade a few hundred people into buying and that's the protection paid for and the job as far as Starforce go done.
Your estimation that it'll take 3-4 years for Starforce to develop something else is hopelessly optimistic though, they are developing something new on a monthly basis that is achieving the aim of delaying the crack long enough for their needs.
To make something impossible to reverse is impossible. SF3 is quite satisfactorily doing its' job right now. The penchant for nuking anything that isn't to 'scene specifications' is doing the rest.
BTW yes there is at least one ex-cracker in the Starforce dev team. The fact they have a far more proactive approach to their protection that say Sony for example does the rest of the work.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 14:51 Post subject: |
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| Freakshow wrote: | | bigboy177 wrote: | To prove RLD cracked Second Sight: (I hope this one will be clear, because it's simple)
In the crack folder there's only one file... right ?
It's called secondsight.exe. This file is totaly decrypted when compared to the original file... And there are some new instruction put in there by the cracker...
The game has atleast one more file that is SF3 protected... That file is called secondsight.dll... This file isn't decrypted... It's the way it is in the original...
What does that mean... RLD rewrote secondsight.exe... to decrypt secondsight.dll (remove the protection), and every other encrypted file...
Every RLD SF3 crack works this way... (except SRS, but I'm not sure cause I don't have the game, so I don't know if it's beta or other shit)...
Hope it's clear now... and it'll end this beta/review bullshit... |
yes somehow ur true and somehow wrong .. rld doesnt patch the exe to get into the dll .... u can even delete the dll after applying rld patches ... thats how they fool the vm of sf3 ... copying all needed vm stuff into the main exe.
and btw. scct wont make ubisoft happy ... as its slow like hell when u have not an high end machine.
Stop bullshiting about crackers do bad jobs or so .... rld made faults, hoodlum did, so did razor .. and ultima didnt ... and will never do as they are dead because to many ppl in this forums here fucked them about their cracking way! it wasnt rld that fucked them it was nforce ... think about it! |
Since when do groups care about people who post on nforce? Yea, some sceners come here, but what does it matter? Last thing groups care about is what people think on a public board.
Other than that, you seem like a smart person. I'm actually sick of the people who actually dont know nothing that come here and bash the people who do offer their advice. When the people offer their advice, people automatically claim them to be group wannabes.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 17:54 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 18:20 Post subject: |
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The opposite of war is not peace, It's creation - J. L. Rent
The problem is that scene groups treat cracking (especially Starforce cracking) as a war indeed. That's why they lost it (I mean the undefeated titles).
If they'd be creative they could manage to do it.
I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy next to me.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2005 19:15 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | And the war is still on... So I don't think they lost... One time Crackers lose, the other time Ptrotection Developers... The war will never end... This round was won by Protection guys... but the next one... who knows... |
Exactly.
I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy next to me.
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