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also what is strange is that are Reloaded/Hoodlum now the only cracking groups...are theire not any release groups in Russia ? German scene has Silentgate.. strange but i have never heard of any Russian cracking team(besides starfuck) and i thought that Russia had good crackers...hmm or where all theire talent crackers bought by starforce developers....
if all games use starforce3 in Russia then you would think that one talented mofo would crack it...or when they have cracked it they are blackmailing starforce developers and sf developers has no choice but to pay them..Russia is poor country so these Russian crackers rather make a buck then put it for free on internet...
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kosmiq
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Apr 2005 19:28 Post subject: |
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| HeroMan wrote: | True but before the starforce 3 nightmare begon almost 100% of normal commercial games where cracked.
Makes you wonder: Maybe starforce isn't any harder then like SafeDisk but the Starforce commpany paid the crackers off to not crack some games?? |
If the company knew how to pay them, they would bust them. Come on why pay when you can get them busted? It doesn't makes any sense.
I am pretty confident that most groups are looking into SF3 all the time and gets more and more knowledge about it. Sure it can and will take time before they can remove it completely and fast. But someday I am sure SF will be dead too. It is only a matter of time, as with everything.
But I do really admire that SF company has been so succesfull and finally made a protection that protects the game. Even if it means fever games for me (I don't buy any starforce game, it does bad things to my PC) I am still impressed. They are making themselves worth the money used to use their protection.
Sure we can bitch all day long about how much we hate starforce and how it stops us from downloading what we want from the web. Still developers deserves money for making games and they should have it. The result from better protection will in most cases lead to developers making good games getting more money! And also it will lead to that we don't have 10 games a week to play, fewer games but better and wich we can feel is ours as we bought it.
Of course I want to be able to play games without CD/DVD in the future too, but I do not wan't it to harm any good developers. But I am not willing to pay the price of getting my PC hosed everytime I buy a game and it has starforce in it. Seriously that protection still has some nasty bugs doing strange stuff with some PC's. Even if the worst ones are fixed it still doesn't make me feel comfortable having special drivers to play one game. It is almost like getting a special set of graphics drivers for each game.
Please excuse me if you think that some parts of whats written is a little OT, I think it is not as it is part of the protection discussion.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Apr 2005 20:03 Post subject: |
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It was a joke but even it is not true what U say; U can e-mail reloaded and pay them via paypal etc but when u want to bust them u have to go 'undercover' into to group because u need proof that that exact person did exactly that.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Apr 2005 20:12 Post subject: |
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The best thing about SF3 is that even the next versions will work almost the same as the ones that are now... Not much will change in this matter, so if the crackers crack the protection now... and will be able to do it quickly and with no problems, every other version will be much easier to crack... Of course one day a new kind of protection will come, and again it will be very difficult to crack it, but it won't be very soon...
TheDuck...
I checked and after I installed Xpand Rally, then Chaos Theory, Xpand Rally won't run... So Ultima's crack works only with the drivers from Xpnad Rally... I wouldn't mind this kind of cracks, cause I don't need to have 20 games installed, but RLD cracks are much better...
Highstuff...
Maybe in RLD/HLM/VNG and other groups there are Russian crackers... That you don't know...
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Apr 2005 22:22 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Tricking VM isnt valid scene crack hence groups didnt release crack like that i guess |
of course they won't release a crack they cannot understand and do.....
your way of thinking tells us that the scene was able to release Xpand Rally and Colin 2005 but didn't want to do it because of.... "valid scene crack" ......please, don't make me cry ...."valid scene elite member"
| Quote: | | Does the game run without original DVD? It is cracked then. |
simple, isn't it? but not for "valid elite scene members"
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deptalon
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 11:42 Post subject: |
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to come back to carbon's second sight worked because you could still patch down in that version x.x.x.x.65 to 23
but on version 70+ this has been blocked as well.
hence the reboot the starforce team implented when this version came out.
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 14:11 Post subject: |
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Maybe the best thing to 'crack' starforce is to make an emulator just like they did with Steam.
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 14:16 Post subject: |
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That seems interesting. Ultima cracks works with Starforce (we see "the protection is fooled" message) - maybe they are emulators then?
Maybe that is why other sceners cannot analyze and learn their cracks?
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 14:29 Post subject: |
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we should not give Ultima to much credit these guys only released 2 games...so maybe they can't do it anymore on these new starforce versions..
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 14:51 Post subject: |
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That is not it. Ultima said in Colin: "do not count on us with each Starforce title". If it was an emulator then they can do it again but I am afraid they will not be back.
The best choice is to analyze their cracks and learn the way they did it. The best crackers should be able to do it. Maybe it requires a lot of time but they will understand it.
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 14:55 Post subject: |
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I think ultima only wanted to crack rally sf3 games. Rally fans aynone?
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 15:17 Post subject: |
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Hey people, I really can't understand why you're talking so much about SF as it hasn't been cracked yet.
There are tons of starforce games releases ( the last one is Second sight - reloaded, today)
and tell me one starforce game you can't play, except for Chaos Theory because it's using the old method to blacklist virtual drives.
We have starforce nightmare, we have a lot of mini-images for older games and following patches,
we have releases from Virtual skipper 3 (more than 1 year ago) to Obscure, through Toca 2 and so on. Respect Ultima, Reloaded and other groups' work and shut up.
They only need to find an automatic method to fool starforce faster, and nothing else.
And we only need some .mds working with full images, for we can't use mini-images anymore because of ISOprotect; and a new version of Daemon tools to remove blacklist, because if starforce developers are using the blacklist method, it means that the protection has reached its limits.
You just have to work a bit more to succeed in playing the games, lazy people...
Why to discuss about a loader as a not proper crack or shits like that, when you don't even know what are you talking about?
Let's just hope that we will always be able to play the games as today we are.
halfluke
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 15:25 Post subject: |
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agree man. i piss on loaders stories and "valid scene cracks" idiotism
we should avoid rating any crack from any group. cracked game is cracked game. shut up and play
after reading HeroMan post i just got an idea - while running xpand rally i always see these screenshots of different forums saying that starcrap is uncrackable and so on. it looks like Ultima read forums and got frustrated. maybe if Splinter Cell will stay uncracked and they will read similar stories on the forums then we'll see them back?
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 16:15 Post subject: |
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Sure. I've been told that they just stored your last post and will use it in Toca 2006.
You'll be famous (maybe they will quote mine too?).
I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy next to me.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 11:49 Post subject: |
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| halfluke wrote: | | Hey people, I really can't understand why you're and tell me one starforce game you can't play, except for Chaos Theory |
I-ninja and Club Football(not sure if it cannot be played, there's a shit floating in the p2ps but .. we're talking about p2p, cant bet my ass it works.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 15:00 Post subject: |
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trackmania: sunrise is starforce-protected.. just hope that it's an old version...
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 15:02 Post subject: |
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| vidi wrote: | | trackmania: sunrise is starforce-protected.. just hope that it's an old version... |
Nope!
[14:02:13 PM] StarForce 3.4.71.19 detected -> C:\Program Files\TmSunriseDemoMag\tmsunrise.dll
[14:02:15 PM] StarForce detected -> C:\Program Files\TmSunriseDemoMag\TmSunriseDemoMag.exe
[14:02:16 PM] --- File(s) Scan Finished [3.64s] ---
Same version as SCCT, much smaller protection library, although with that SF version there's a lot more there than just the size of the lib to make it a pain.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 16:06 Post subject: |
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coolio. let's hope for a quick release then.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 16:09 Post subject: |
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| vidi wrote: | | coolio. let's hope for a quick release then. |
add to the starforce 3 list restricted area, still life and cossacks 2
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 17:28 Post subject: |
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| vidi wrote: | | coolio. let's hope for a quick release then. |
No, re-read what I said re: there being a lot more to that version of SF3 to make debugging and cracking it harder.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 17:57 Post subject: |
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Quote of a leader of Relofaked post (Freakshow)
| Quote: | Crack mistakes happen for sure! and they get fixed ... but i wonder why hlm never fixed it by their own yet ... u see nogrp fixed 2 releases of them and hlm flamed and nuked them because bullshit ... now they dont do and hlm doesnt fix it by themself ... 5 days till snooker went bad .... still no fix .... maybe because the proper releases from no grp get nuked anyway? think about it and i dont think rld needs to fake hlm ... and btw move ur hlm ass into the priv net and tell ur crackers to fix it asap!
then i might allow u continue bitching rld |
get lost, wretched Relofaked member
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 18:34 Post subject: |
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What about demo exe maybe that will be helpful dlls and the others is uncrackable :C
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 18:54 Post subject: |
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| lAmBaDa wrote: | Quote of a leader of Relofaked post (Freakshow)
get lost, wretched Relofaked member |
Why do you write Relofaked... they don't fake all releases... HLM fakes RLD fakes... VEN fakes... every group has in it's history good and bad moments... I hope you don't download RLD releases if you write Relofake about them...
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2005 18:58 Post subject: |
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you are right, they don't fake all the releases. they just shouldn't tell the scene what it should do while they aren't "clean" themselves
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