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 Posted: Sun, 27th Feb 2011 21:11 Post subject: |
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I started a new game with MMM, Fellout and Weapon Mod Kits.
But I don't see an option in my PipBoy for the custom MMM menu (?)
I have RC 6.1 btw.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Feb 2011 07:09 Post subject: |
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I'm still at the start (level 3) and I can't tell if the mods I installed are working or not.
Where is the MMM menu in my PipBoy ?
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Feb 2011 08:19 Post subject: |
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Unless it relies on NVSE or similar hooks most custom menus require interaction with a separate item to work, either under the Aid or Misc section of items, click on it and close the pip-boy and the menu should appear.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Feb 2011 09:57 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | I'm still at the start (level 3) and I can't tell if the mods I installed are working or not.
Where is the MMM menu in my PipBoy ? |
That information is in the MMM documentation. Check your pipboy.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Feb 2011 10:08 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | ::: New Menu system! -- Yes, finally, you too can configure MMM to your heart's content through the comfortable interface of the Pipboy! Just click to 'Apparel' and you'll find an option to launch the MMM Configuration panel. Huge thanks go to Mezmorelda and the FWE team for building this initial version of this.
NOTE: The first time you load your game with the menu plugin loaded, it takes 15 seconds before you'll see the option in your Pipboy. |
Yeah, docs say that, but there's no soecial menu option at the Apparel menu, maybe I should do that merged patch bullfuckery he suggested, using fo3edit.
As if using FOSE extender and the mod manager aren't enough hassle. Ah, the life of a PC gamer.
EDIT: I had the fucking load order wrong, everything fine now.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Feb 2011 11:33 Post subject: |
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Get FOOK2 or FWE or both.
And yes, make a merged patch, generally makes the game more stable when using mods and it's not hard to do.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 06:07 Post subject: |
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Okay, I started playing F3 again and it's the first time I'm using Mods. Only got experience with mods with New Vegas.
I downloaded this FOMM thingy.
Installed Darnified.
Installen MMM and got it running.
Some questions now:
#1 How the fuck do I install "Weapon Mod Kits" oO?
#2 Is there a Shotgun thats like the Hunting Shotgun from NV? I loved shooting ghouls to pieces with it and what this thing (or similar) for F3 too.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 10:13 Post subject: |
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#1
Check the WMK installation instructions :
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3388
It's pretty awesome 
You need FOSE, too. Thankfully FOMM has a button to launch that directly. FOSE also disables xLive, good ridding.
#2
I use the Combat Shotgun, but I wait till they're close, cause the dispersion/accuracy is shit. Haven't modded it yet, though, hehe.
EDIT: This is my load order, don't know if it's perfect, but it works fine (some rare crashes occur, but I think that's in vanilla, too)
 Spoiler: | [X] Fallout3.esm
[X] Anchorage.esm
[X] Fellout-Full.esp
[X] ThePitt.esm
[X] BrokenSteel.esm
[X] PointLookout.esm
[X] Zeta.esm
[X] Mart's Mutant Mod.esm
[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp
[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp
[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp
[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp
[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp
[X] WeaponModKits.esp
[X] Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp
[ ] Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp
[ ] Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp
[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp
[X] VGA_MMM_WMK_Fellout.esp |
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 09:41 Post subject: |
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One of the main problems with this Bethesda version of Gamebryo is the script system which can be highly unstable depending on the amount of active scripts, WMK uses several and MMM probably hundreds in addition to the many already used by Fallout (And NV.) it varies a bit but it's pretty difficult to ever get the game fully stable if you use larger mods and overhauls, it strains or how to describe it best at the game engine and how it works pushing RAM usage and CPU load up which further causes stability related problems.
Utilities like NVSE helps circumvent this partially via tools such as the stutter remover and removing LIVE's overlay stuff is likely also helpful as a secondary effect of NVSE, INI tweaks can help though I myself push visuals further which has somewhat of the opposite effect, heh.
Same issue in Oblivion but to a lesser extent and especially Morrowind if you used mods since compatibility was pretty difficult to achieve without other mods to bridge such conflicts though eventually tools and utilities improved the situation as did some of the official patches.
(First patch for Morrowind among other things allowed two separate mods to affect the same area or "cell" as it's called without glitching, ESM/ESM conflicts persist still though especially with landmass data but it's better in Fallout 3 than it was in Elder Scrolls by far.)
Game engine is solid and all but it's probably not a very pretty system in terms of efficiency and it's sort-of based on a Gamebryo build from 2006 (Lightly updated from Oblivion's I guess.) with various problems partly due to the age of that core or what to call it, no doubt Bethesda has rewritten their Gamebryo code heavily so it's more akin to the Oblivion Engine but some aspects must be pretty rough though it seems they've finally did a second more extensive update of that code for Skyrim with the newly announced Creation engine or what it's name was.
(Multi-threading would likely be a huge importance if done right, could eliminate stuttering and stability problems, RAM or cache management as well I imagine which has been bad since Morrowind with it's NetImmers - Older Gamebryo name or what to call it - and up to Fallout 3.)
Somewhat off-topic perhaps but as I've mentioned various times I find the game engine quite good at what it does but it's somewhat rough in a few areas and can be prone to glitches and stability issues if pushed, PC version with mods and tweaks especially so.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 10:47 Post subject: |
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Yeah, seems I'm wrong. Still crashes/freezes but less frequently.
Thx JB, seems there is nothing I can do about it other than extend the time until it happens. And this merged patch helped alot.
*EDIT* I take it all back. It's still randomly crashing.... I'm nearly giving up on this game...
Funny thing is, I've got no such problems with New Vegas and I've got tons of mods installed there.
*EDIT2* Okay, I give up. It's going apeshit now... crash crash crash crash... deinstalling the mods. I'm tired of this.
*EDIT3*
Okay, maybe someone here got an Idea what's wrong.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 12:44 Post subject: |
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Bump! See above. Sry 4 doublepost.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 12:57 Post subject: |
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Your lack of mods is disturbing.
I do not have any idea why it's crashing when you're barely using any mods.. sorry. I never really crashed unless I used like 50+ mods that weren't really compatible with each other.
Also, http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3808 might help?
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 13:20 Post subject: |
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m3th0d:
I guess E:\ is your system drive? I never install games to the default program files path, but if it has worked for you before the cause must be something else. Do you notice any difference in crash interval depending on where you are (ie. some interior town cell as opposed to some random wilderness)? I had some issues with MMM - it caused random crashes or varying frequency when wandering in the wastes. This was over a year ago tho.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 14:09 Post subject: |
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You start the exe, then start the game like normal. The instructions should clear it up.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 16:48 Post subject: |
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i had similar random crashes with a couple of mods (FOOK, MMM etc) and i was investing hours and hours in figuring out what caused these crashes. after days i gave up...
some time later after i updated my BIOS firmware and thereby removing my overclocking of the cpu and totally forgetting about ocing again. i gave the same installation of F3 and the mods another try and to my astonishment, no crashes at all.
so eventhough the overclocking did not produce ANY other crashes and errors on any other game, it somehow messed up F3 and the mods. after some testing i found an oc value, lower than the previous one, but not producing any F3 crashes...
just my experience
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 21:50 Post subject: |
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If it wasn't somewhat unfinished I'd really recommend the unofficial patch (It's still great though but can bug a bit and it changes a lot so a good load order is important.) due to the several thousand fixes it corrects all-in-all.
(Of course that does count all placement corrections and more, for severe bugs it's pretty OK without it but some quests might have various bugs and the DLC are problematic since they weren't really patched at all, I'm not entirely sure what the severity of the problems it resolved where.)
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| Posted: Mon, 7th Mar 2011 07:36 Post subject: |
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Update #1 : Windowed Mode doesn't help. Still crashes.
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| Posted: Mon, 7th Mar 2011 07:40 Post subject: |
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On my recent play through of FO3 before I played New Vegas I had constant crashing on 260.99 Nvidia drivers on FO3, have you possibly changed drivers yet?
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| Posted: Mon, 7th Mar 2011 07:41 Post subject: |
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Could be a bug in MMM then, deselect everything below Mart's Mutant Mod.esp (Including the merged patch.) and load a savegame, rest for three hours in a indoor location to force cell/area reset and then travel around where it usually crashes and see what happens.
Don't save the game or anything but do it in a single run, if it's stable or appears more stable then enable each of the DLC additions for MMM one at a time and re-test.
It's a slow process of elimination to find if it's a specific mod that causes it (But often effective.) but those DLC ones are the only tihng I could see that would cause a mod conflict but do deselect everything minus the main MMM ESM and ESP combo first.
If none of this works move the .ESM of MMM to just below Fallout3.esm itself and try with that though it shouldn't be a ESM conflict from how I remember MMM being structured.
(Core in the ESM, actual mod stuff in the ESP.)
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| Posted: Mon, 7th Mar 2011 08:56 Post subject: |
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| xDBS wrote: | | On my recent play through of FO3 before I played New Vegas I had constant crashing on 260.99 Nvidia drivers on FO3, have you possibly changed drivers yet? |
Well, actually I didn't change them yet. But I know that I had older drivers when I played FO3 the last time.
Do you have the same problems with 266.58 ? If so, which driver would you recommend?
@JB
Allright, I still have to try this unofficial patch and stuff (from above). I'm tinkering with the drivers first now. Testing it with the unofficial patch after that (if it didn't help).
If that's not working, I'll go and test it out the way you've posted.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Mar 2011 15:42 Post subject: |
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Duh, I misinterpreted something there 
I've already finished Operation Anchorage, which is the easiest of the other DLCs ? Point Lookout, Zeta ? Which should I do first ?
