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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 12:00 Post subject: |
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Is the Derpocalypse really upon us?
Okay guys – I feel I have to contribute to this thread (would be unfair to call it a discussion) – people need to chill, take a pill and a step back etc.
This crusade against the colsole-tards, and the “derpification” is really getting on my nerves. I’ve been a avid cRPG player for many years, and some of my alltime favorites include Baldurs Gate II, Fallout 1+2, Planescape Torment – and I love me some good jRPG as well FF, Persona what have we.
And I really enjoyed Dragon Age – and while it had many flaws, it was a return to a 20+ hour storyline, and trying to realize a grittier gameworld, that many western “RPG’s” have strayed from – yes I’m looking at you Fable!
And now – 10 hours into the PS3 version of Dragon Age II, I feel I can safely say that I really like that game too, and no; it’s not super easy.
I’m playing on hard, and while some battles are not much of a challenge – once enemy lieutenants and spellcasters are introduced into the mix – you need to pause, and think about strategy. In many aspects I would say that Dragon Age II is a bit harder than DA:O – mostly because spellcasters aren’t as stupidly overpowered as before.
And I for one like the new spell/talent trees – sure there may be fewer options, but they synergize a lot better! And here I’m not talking about cross-class combo’s – but compared to DA:O.
Take the fighter for example – if you wanted to go Sword and Board you just worked on filling out that tree, aka 12 skillpoints, and then took a few from the general warrior tree – and you were done. Here only 1/7 of the trees are dedicated to either Sword and Board, or 2H – and you have a much wider array of different skills to pair it with. Even though it has less talents, as far as my early exposure to the gamesystem would suggest, this system offers more choice about how to build a certain class.
And some people really need to understand that simplified and streamlined does not always mean less depth. If the choices offered by the system isn’t meaningfull and has some use – why have it there in the first place and make the entire thing even more draconian? Just so the “glorious PC master race” can say its nice and complex, and he has total mastery over it, when all he is doing is actually exploiting the system with a build he found on GameFAQs.
A good gamesystem should engage the user, and not break immersion from the game, the systems should not trump gameplay and story; this is why I enjoyed Mass Effect 2 A LOT more than Mass Effect 1.
And I don’t know – perhaps in time, I migt even say that I find DA2 better than DA:O – right now the system seems to have a lot of promise, and I’m itching to see where they take this new and more personal story of Hawke. The entire presentation is much more cinematic this time around.
I will reserve final judgment for the PC version, when I can give Nightmare a go, and till I’ve been trough the entire story – so see it has any sort of epic scope.
Well, this was a lot of rambling – I’m so sick and tired of the pretentious elitism that many are spouting these days.
On consoles – yes, you press the X button to attacks, and yes on easy, and perhaps 90% of normal – that will get you very far. But the game provides Hard and Nightmare – where that won’t get you very far.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 12:04 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 12:08 Post subject: |
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| GaffyDK wrote: | | I will reserve final judgment for the PC version, when I can give Nightmare a go. |
Nightmare difficulty is disabled on consoles?
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Vagrant
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 12:11 Post subject: |
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| Vagrant wrote: | @GaffyDK
Thanks for the impressions. |
+1
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 12:17 Post subject: |
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Not a bad review, but what worries me are the newer smaller levels, less exploration, repeating dungeons, very bad for an rpg.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 12:30 Post subject: |
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| Hierofan wrote: | | Sertorius wrote: | | I mean, what the so-called "v500" means ? sorry to have NOT your great knowledge of all marvelous things in this World, but I have never seen this term "v500", what is it refering to ? |
mean those jackasses don't even try their cracks or fixed and shit them on the interwebs and then find out it isnt working properly , and causes crashes at certain levels , poor performance , faulty textures bla bla bla , so they keep releasing the same shit but in a newer version. v2 , v3 ... v500 .. v9001
or in other stances simply ripoff other people's work (cs.rin) and rename it as their own.
(REPACK BUTTFIX v3.14159265) |
Ho yeah, understood. It's called the "scene war" I think.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 12:43 Post subject: |
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Well this topic turned to shit fast.
Who went and posted this thread on IGN/Bioware's Forum/Gametrailers? Whoever you are, shame on you.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 12:47 Post subject: |
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Honestly, it's not like people bitch about the game that much. They're bitching about the change. Game itself might be good - myself, I'm actually hoping that Bioware might do something more original and out of the box story-wise, this time around (fingers crossed). But as good, or at least average, as it may be - it's not what the franchise was promised to deliver. A title that was supposed to be a deep and complex "going-back-to-the-roots" kind of game became yet another simplified fantasy adventure. Everything that made the first one actually good, that made it stand out, was taken away. This is where it hurts. Law of the market, I guess. But it still sucks.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 12:54 Post subject: |
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| Aquma wrote: | | Honestly, it's not like people bitch about the game that much. They're bitching about the change. Game itself might be good - myself, I'm actually hoping that Bioware might do something more original and out of the box story-wise, this time around (fingers crossed). But as good, or at least average, as it may be - it's not what the franchise was promised to deliver. A title that was supposed to be a deep and complex "going-back-to-the-roots" kind of game became yet another simplified fantasy adventure. Everything that made the first one actually good, that made it stand out, was taken away. This is where it hurts. Law of the market, I guess. But it still sucks. |
You god damn elitist PC pig!!1 How dare you besmirch your god, Bioware, with such negative words?
It would seem that even the most console-oriented site..
| Quote: | | After playing five hours of Dragon Age II, I can already tell that a certain subset of hardcore gamers will be upset. If you’re a PC elitist who was concerned that this sequel was being simplified to make it work better on consoles, well, you’re kind of right. |
Nah it's not true, I won't believe it! It's more complex and tactically challenging than the first game and even Baldur's Gate! Thank you, Biogods!
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 13:23 Post subject: |
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| madmax17 wrote: | | Not a bad review, but what worries me are the newer smaller levels, less exploration, repeating dungeons, very bad for an rpg. |
Yeah - that might be my main concern as well - but 10 hours in it hasn't been a problem so far - they have utilized the setpices quite well.
But once it was a bit jarring, with one of the dungeons - I'm looking forward to seeing how they change after the first major timeshift.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 13:26 Post subject: |
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I'll judge it after I've played it. I have very low expectations and I'm not going to pay anyway. I don't expect it to be like BGII story or tactics wise, but I'm sure it will have more depth then, lets say, Dungeon Siege. It will most likely be at least mildly entertaining story-wise, and even challenging on "Nightmare".
I'm far more hyped for DE3, and Risen 2. (And that is a bad thing, beeing hyped.)
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 14:33 Post subject: |
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@GaffyDK: good first impression, very descriptive. Post one when you finish the game.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 14:37 Post subject: |
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I, too, will post my impressions when I finish the game. For now; 14hrs in and it's exactly like playing Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance. It's a hack'n'slash through and through, but - and I'm happy to admit this - it's fun to play. Origins it's NOT, but it is fun to play.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 14:44 Post subject: |
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The demo runs at a steady 60 frames in dx9, while in "dx11" with high settings it runs at 15 frames .
[spoiler][quote="SteamDRM"]i've bought mohw :derp: / FPS of the year! [/quote]
[quote="SteamDRM"][quote="b0se"]BLACK OPS GOTY[/quote]
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 14:45 Post subject: |
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That's because the DX11 renderer is buggy/broken in the demo, according to BioWhore.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 14:52 Post subject: |
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DA2, Crysis 2... it's like everyone suddenly forgot how to make the games run in DX11.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 14:54 Post subject: |
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| MinderMast wrote: | | DA2, Crysis 2... it's like everyone suddenly forgot how to make the games run in DX11. |
everyones just programming for consoles and has no idea how to do stuff for a pc any more it seems.
Likot Mosuskekim, Woodcutter cancels Sleep: Interrupted by Elephant.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 14:54 Post subject: |
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| MinderMast wrote: | | DA2, Crysis 2... it's like everyone suddenly forgot how to make the games run in DX11. |
I think that they never cared in the first place. 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 15:17 Post subject: |
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| Aquma wrote: | | Honestly, it's not like people bitch about the game that much. They're bitching about the change. Game itself might be good - myself, I'm actually hoping that Bioware might do something more original and out of the box story-wise, this time around (fingers crossed). But as good, or at least average, as it may be - it's not what the franchise was promised to deliver. A title that was supposed to be a deep and complex "going-back-to-the-roots" kind of game became yet another simplified fantasy adventure. Everything that made the first one actually good, that made it stand out, was taken away. This is where it hurts. Law of the market, I guess. But it still sucks. |
This is correct.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 15:25 Post subject: |
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Why did bioware release that shitty demo anyway? Game felt like pure crap!
I never played Dragon Age (neither Origins nor 2) and after playing the demo of 2 I don't see what all the fuss is about. Sure I could go out and grab the full of origins but I won't.
Don't release a shitty demo if it does not reflect what the real game is like!
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 15:45 Post subject: |
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Origins != Dragon Age 2.
They're not the same mate, not at all. If you like cRPGs of old like NWN/Baldur's Gate/etc then you'll love Origins. If you prefer Snowblind-enging hack'n'slash titles on the Xbox/PS2, you'll love DA2.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 15:47 Post subject: |
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If you love Snowblind hack n slash games you're far better off waiting for their new LoTR game(being released on PC as well).
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 16:05 Post subject: |
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| LuckyStrike wrote: | | Aquma wrote: | | Honestly, it's not like people bitch about the game that much. They're bitching about the change. Game itself might be good - myself, I'm actually hoping that Bioware might do something more original and out of the box story-wise, this time around (fingers crossed). But as good, or at least average, as it may be - it's not what the franchise was promised to deliver. A title that was supposed to be a deep and complex "going-back-to-the-roots" kind of game became yet another simplified fantasy adventure. Everything that made the first one actually good, that made it stand out, was taken away. This is where it hurts. Law of the market, I guess. But it still sucks. |
This is correct. |
Mass Effect 2 anyone
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 16:08 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | Origins != Dragon Age 2.
They're not the same mate, not at all. If you like cRPGs of old like NWN/Baldur's Gate/etc BUT INJECTED WITH MORE GAY SEX AND GRIMDARKMATURE THIS IS THE NEW SHIT then you'll love Origins. |
Fixed that for you.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2011 16:28 Post subject: |
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No thanks, my post didn't need fixing =)
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