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JBeckman
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Two Worlds 1 1.4 added resistances, 1.5 revamped the game going a bit extra by also replacing all NPC head models and varying their appearances somewhat (Male character got a entirely new body as well, females not which made certain MP players a bit annoyed I guess as you could be male and female there in both human and elf variety though not much differed compared to Two Worlds 2 where it's a bit more balanced and refined at start.)
1.6 latest patch fixed some minor issues and I think it's what added immunities so you no longer could kill skeletons with swords and the like, same strategy as back in 1.0 still worked fine though and the imbalanced alchemy system and spell alternatives sort-of took some of the edge out of a otherwise solid update though.
(Run backwards spamming necro power to heal and damage everything, spirit and poison was unresistable so a spirit enhanced weapon with necro damage spells to back up was whateveryone ended up using at high-level anyway.)
Of course the patch even with the games core design flaws and balance problems also boosted creates more than just resistance and immunity additions, health and damage and part of the AI was overhauled quite a bit though it's not really anything spectacular even in Two Worlds 2. 
(Still Ogre and Golem enemies can kill even the highest level and best equipped characters in a few hits if they get near, necro capable enemies are also far more difficult but the above attack combination works against most everything.)
Anyway as for Dragon Age it's not like Origins and awakening didn't overpower you as well, second game is a bit more streamlined but the first still had it's share of overpowered abilities, spells, bonus items and of course the DLC stuff. 
(Archery, rogue backstab and certain mage combinations were quite overpowered, apparently even more so in Awakening and the craftables had godlike stats and bonuses.)
(A certain mace from that later DLC is given at start now and is valued at 1356 gold or some such so economy is also borked via DLC, haha.)
(Same goes for Mass Effect though giving black hole capable weapons for free along with armor parts and sets making everything else redundant aside from aesthetics, companions do get some nice choice with DLC but it's kinda useless instead since their armor or loyalty or DLC variant has no stats or benefits at all aside from how it looks, nothing to complain about though since it's sort-of "free".)
(Wonder how DLC will work/hack in DA2 come to think of it? They can't use the same system even now can they? It's sort-of the same engine but surely they know about the exploit and such or maybe it's not really important on the PC platform.)
EDIT: Post is a bit messy and cluttered but I hope it's understandable, mostly gibberish and a small discussion at the end but nothing important, shouldn't have taken that drink as I can't handle alcohol at all even in small amounts.
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 21:42 Post subject: |
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Haha or some really awful images and other horror moments depending on in what section I post, likely won't do that again though since the thread died altogether when it derailed or something along those lines.
Not that good at conversions and explaining but I try to learn and understand games and the tech behind them so I am rather learned but I wouldn't consider myself a expert of any kind but a bit multi-talented or such.
Looking forward to testing Dragon Age 2 (Finding that clone DVD was a adventure navigating Russian localized websites and 4chan popped up at several searches somehow, heh.) but the demo and recent news have lowered expectations a bit but it might still be a OK game but as a full price 60$ title and successor / sequel to Dragon Age it might not go all the way as recent previews and interviews (While still praising the game, mysterious how that works actually.) have pointed out, at least the more recent ones.
(DX11 stuff is nice and all but overall game quality won't be improved by just visual tweaks and refinements alone, gameplay is critical after all and here it might be a bit lacking aside from the action overdose, story might be good though but we'll see.)
(Why 60$ anyway, 49$ was fine when it was standard and it's not like the budget has changed much aside from marketing costs I guess and 54$ or so on console since they've always been more expensive, this 60$ market and 70$ console increase is taking off more and more but still the games sell so it's a understandable decision as it brings the all-important profit so the developers can keep working and have the publishers and all that stuff pleased and paid or something.)
(MS and Sony spend millions marketing console and their games though so that's a hefty cost to cover for publishers trying to keep that tact and pacing, next generation can't come soon enough but likely will take it's time to regain current expenses with that Move+ and MS Touch Kinnect thing whereas the additional GPU power of the X720/1080 something and PS4 would be key to pushing forward, alas it likely would further dumb down gameplay in the process and skyrocket requirements for a while, still a Blu-Ray base format would allow up to 50GB easily of gameplay data and content, 2GB ram would fix this annoying streaming and reduced visual stuff a lot and a powerful GPU would leave DX9 behind and push forward DX11 or 12 or whatever which would be nice, CPU is already "OK" as such though.)
(Not that it would ever happen due to costs of such units to cover manufacturing and general requirements and that, at least not for the next generation consoles coming after this one I would guess, but it would be nice, 64-bit push would also be nice come to think of it but I guess it'll be more social and family and 3D or touch/movement related instead I estimate, casual gaming is going strong after all, not that indie or such is bad but this whole facebook and twitter thing for games and the like.)
EDIT: Seems there won't be a toolset support and some other info on console being the lead this time around.
http://galaxynextdoor.com/post/919532908/update-dragon-age-ii-no-overhead-view-on-pc-no
EDIT: Ah it's old info and clarified a bit since then, still we'll see how it turns out.
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xDBS
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 22:06 Post subject: |
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Well, I still think console gaming is in the entire "fad" stage, because how many of these so called "gamers" play call of duty only? These people that play these games, don't have attention span.
For example I saw this on youtube, http://www.youtube.com/user/TheStraightupReveiws/ This guy reviews games, I'm not making fun of him. But every game he has reviews, he has not beaten one, that even includes Mass Effect, fallout, and even shorter games such at bulletstorm, and call of duty single player.
The fact is, I believe these people who are currently in the "fad" of gaming, will get out of it, because their attention spans are none existent. Eventually they will get bored, and go onto the next thing. Activision will go out of business, along with EA. Because they cant keep up with their corporations they started because no one is buying these games anymore, and the fad is over.
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 22:20 Post subject: |
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| JBeckman wrote: | So another video game collapse and rebirth type thing? could work as well and would be interesting to see what that leads too if it's what will happen, interesting info and thoughts on the subject though.
(Or what to describe it, market got a bit flooded during the 70's to 90's so saw a similar situation I think it was, sort of built up since then with larger and larger studios and costs and the like.) |
Yeah exactly that, but, this is a bit different then the nintendo flooding. During those ages most of us, were most likely young, or in our teens. Gaming was new, and shitty companies could just flood the market with shitty games.
But in todays world, gaming is considered popular like it was in the 80s right before the crash, then people stopped playing, except the real gamers, but because of that, the market could not keep up with their debt, so everything went out of business.
I expect the same thing to happen here, by the time next gen comes out, most of these casuals will be bored of gaming, and have had found a new hobby. And it will strike, the west very hard. Japanese are very centric about gaming, when I lived their I want to the game center (arcade) every day and it was packed, its not like that in the west, arcades were a fad, and now console are a fad. I do expect another gaming crash coming.
And god I hope I'm NOT wrong. Cause thats what we need.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 22:25 Post subject: |
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Ahem? Nintendo flooding? No sir, not even. ATARI bought about the videogame crash of the 80s.. it was Nintendo that revived and rescued it. Atari, and other backstreet manufacturers like Coleco, flooded the market with so much friggin' trash that it completely devalued everything. There was a new "videogame console system" almost every week/month in the late 70s -- then the crash and subsequent revival with Commodore/Sinclair and Nintendo.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 22:27 Post subject: |
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| xDBS wrote: | And it will strike, the west very hard. Japanese are very centric about gaming, when I lived their I want to the game center (arcade) every day and it was packed, its not like that in the west, arcades were a fad, and now console are a fad. I do expect another gaming crash coming.
And god I hope I'm NOT wrong. Cause thats what we need. |
As long as Piranha Bytes, Larian, GSC, 4AGames and their like survive (and I think they will) fine by me, bring the crash.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 22:35 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Ahem? Nintendo flooding? No sir, not even. ATARI bought about the videogame crash of the 80s.. it was Nintendo that revived and rescued it. Atari, and other backstreet manufacturers like Coleco, flooded the market with so much friggin' trash that it completely devalued everything. There was a new "videogame console system" almost every week/month in the late 70s -- then the crash and subsequent revival with Commodore/Sinclair and Nintendo. |
You mis interpreted what I meant sabin, the flooding of Nintendo games, because they did not require the seal of approval, I was stating that the flooding of crappy nintendo games is completely different then the atari crash, or whats going on currently. (Which is what I assume JB meant when he was talking about the 90s flooding of games)
The point I was trying to make, is whats going on now, reminds me of what happened before the Atari crash.
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 22:42 Post subject: |
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I was born in early 1986 so I more or less missed the early days of proper gaming and most of the second generation shift until the late 90's so I might be inaccurate as a lot of info is just from what I've read and not actually experienced.
(Played a lot of older titles as I grew up and replayed again when I got older though but likely missed a lot of interesting things from that early period.)
(Began RPG's and action variants of them with stuff like Infinity Engine titles and "old" games such as M&M 6 - 9, Diablo, Throne of Darkness, Wizardry 8, Daggerfall though after I played Morrowind, went back and played various Dosbox stuff as well such as lands of lore, Ultima up to Ascension and of course games like Arcanum, Deus Ex and many more I don't fully remember.)
EDIT: Played Prince of Persia original as well when I was a kid, friend had a dad that was a avid gamer and had a machine in his garage, Doom,, Duke Wolfenstein and Shadow Warrior were more recent titles we made our way trough (Hexen, Heretic, Quake later on and others.), which might have been incorrect choices for someone that young.
(Leisure Suit larry was also there along with other questionable titles from what vague stuff I remember.)
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 22:48 Post subject: |
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Ah, sorry. I get what you mean now. I still don't understand the comment about Nintendo flooding simply BECAUSE of their Seal of Quality. Back then you couldn't license/release a Nintendo game if it didn't have the Seal -- though Nintendo relaxed that towards the mid-90s.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 22:58 Post subject: |
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The VG crash of the 80's happened due to a flooding of cheaply made shovelware with both horrible gameplay and production values, that made the public lose faith in the developers.
The situation currently is massively different, because even if there is a case to be made for "Casualizing" of certain aspects of the market, production values are through the roof and the masses are eating it up, unlike previously mentioned shovelware. The closest you come to a comparison is the horrible casual games that get shoved on Wii, DS and iOS devices.
I find most of these observations a bit kneejerk though. Most of this casualising is easily circumvented by turning up the difficulty one or 2 notches. Normal mode these days is the Easy of old, Hard is the new normal.
Bioware gets a lot of flak in this thread, but having played both PC and Console version of DA1 and 2, I celebrate the fact they made essentially 2 different games on the 2 platforms, acknowledging their different audiences. I doubt many developers go through the same trouble and don't find this an omen of the market crashing. Quite the opposite, they went the extra mile to cater their audience.
(as a sidenote, going back to DA1 I can't believe how clunky certain aspects felt, especially combatwise. Let's not put that puppy on too big a pedestal).
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 23:01 Post subject: |
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| bavelb wrote: | The VG crash of the 80's happened due to a flooding of cheaply made shovelware with both horrible gameplay and production values, that made the public lose faith in the developers.
The situation currently is massively different, because even if there is a case to be made for "Casualizing" of certain aspects of the market, production values are through the roof and the masses are eating it up, unlike previously mentioned shovelware. The closest you come to a comparison is the horrible casual games that get shoved on Wii, DS and iOS devices.
I find most of these observations a bit kneejerk though. Most of this casualising is easily circumvented by turning up the difficulty one or 2 notches. Normal mode these days is the Easy of old, Hard is the new normal.
Bioware gets a lot of flak in this thread, but having played both PC and Console version of DA1 and 2, I celebrate the fact they made essentially 2 different games on the 2 platforms, acknowledging their different audiences. I doubt many developers go through the same trouble and don't find this an omen of the market crashing. Quite the opposite, they went the extra mile to cater their audience.
(as a sidenote, going back to DA1 I can't believe how clunky certain aspects felt, especially combatwise. Let's not put that puppy on too big a pedestal). |
This post is too intelligent to be posted at nfohump. Go somewhere else, please.
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xDBS
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 23:04 Post subject: |
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| bavelb wrote: | The VG crash of the 80's happened due to a flooding of cheaply made shovelware with both horrible gameplay and production values, that made the public lose faith in the developers.
The situation currently is massively different, because even if there is a case to be made for "Casualizing" of certain aspects of the market, production values are through the roof and the masses are eating it up, unlike previously mentioned shovelware. The closest you come to a comparison is the horrible casual games that get shoved on Wii, DS and iOS devices.
I find most of these observations a bit kneejerk though. Most of this casualising is easily circumvented by turning up the difficulty one or 2 notches. Normal mode these days is the Easy of old, Hard is the new normal.
Bioware gets a lot of flak in this thread, but having played both PC and Console version of DA1 and 2, I celebrate the fact they made essentially 2 different games on the 2 platforms, acknowledging their different audiences. I doubt many developers go through the same trouble and don't find this an omen of the market crashing. Quite the opposite, they went the extra mile to cater their audience.
(as a sidenote, going back to DA1 I can't believe how clunky certain aspects felt, especially combatwise. Let's not put that puppy on too big a pedestal). |
I see your point..
Right but theirs gonna come a point, where the current casual gamer is going to want to rather go see a new movie, then spend 60$ on a game that he will never finish. My points is, yes they are eating it up because of the production values, but it will fall because it wont provide true lengthy entertainment for these casual gamers for much longer. And also, back to the point of the call of duty addicts on console, they will get bored of it.
No matter how good something looks, or the production values, I still don't think it can keep the casuals, or the masses interested in this fad for much longer. Just because of how fads work, they get popular, and fade away, and its no different this time.
Casuals will also eventually get bored of the facebook games too, and that will die.
I guess time will tell
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 23:11 Post subject: |
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| bavelb wrote: |
(as a sidenote, going back to DA1 I can't believe how clunky certain aspects felt, especially combatwise. Let's not put that puppy on too big a pedestal). |
Yeah, I see what you mean. Damn nostalgia, eh? Here we are with our rose-tinted glasses romanticising the past again. It's definitely a good thing that we have BioWhore, our heroes, to help tell us what we want - and to help make that decision by removing it completely. Thank you BioWare, thank you for making DA2 an easier experience for us humble gamers, thank you for taking our money and providing us with a streamlined experience like no other. Thank you!
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 23:13 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Thank you BioWare, thank you for making DA2 an easier experience for us humble gamers, thank you for taking our money and providing us with a streamlined experience like no other. Thank you! |
Hey now. Just remember, Woo said "bioware won't change by being bought out by EA" uh-huh. Give it under 3 years and they'll have killed bioware like they killed westwood and bullfrog.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 23:16 Post subject: |
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I think we're looking at a result of an arms race we ourselves caused:
-The oldskool gamers wanted high production values (it needs to work my new gfx card to the limit!!)
-The developers gave us what we wanted, which lead to higher costs
-While the public hardly pay a dime more for videogames than 20 years back
-Publishers tell them they need to hit a mark to get a return of investment
-They need to attract a new market, which meant making certain aspects easier
-consoles became the biggest market with easier to control production values (lesser armsrace vs the gfxcard industry) and lesser control options
All that said, the games I play these days, I couldn't have dreamed of when I first plugged in my Atari 2600 with Qbert.
| Quote: | | Yeah, I see what you mean. Damn nostalgia, eh? Here we are with our rose-tinted glasses romanticising the past again. It's definitely a good thing that we have BioWhore, our heroes, to help tell us what we want - and to help make that decision by removing it completely. Thank you BioWare, thank you for making DA2 an easier experience for us humble gamers, thank you for taking our money and providing us with a streamlined experience like no other. Thank you! |
No I'm claiming DA1 is no Kotor or BG2, classics in my book. My glasses are rosier, older and tintier than DA1 perhaps.
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 23:16 Post subject: |
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What about Origin Systems? next to Black Isle they're my favorite game studio of all time.
I don't need games to 'max out my gfx!' I need games to engage me and make me think. Give me experiences that I'll remember and look fondly back on.
Graphics won't ever do that, as theres always something prettier out there or around the corner.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 23:20 Post subject: |
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I still play Deus Ex, a decade after release, despite the "low quality visuals" -- and, even more critical for me, my most cherished games came from the 90s. I still play them today. Graphics don't interest me to the extent the rest of the world thinks of them ... I just want to enjoy my games.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 23:20 Post subject: |
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| Epsilon wrote: | What about Origin Systems? next to Black Isle they're my favorite game studio of all time.
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I was going to mention Origin, but it brought tears to my eyes remember how they butchered the studio and killed the Wing Commander series. Leaving me high and dry until Volition released Freespace and FS2.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 23:21 Post subject: |
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Sorry to bother but does anyone know how big the iso is ?
Thanks in advance
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 23:22 Post subject: |
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| Mashiki wrote: | | Epsilon wrote: | What about Origin Systems? next to Black Isle they're my favorite game studio of all time.
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I was going to mention Origin, but it brought tears to my eyes remember how they butchered the studio and killed the Wing Commander series. Leaving me high and dry until Volition released Freespace and FS2. |
Not only that, they caused the end of Ultima as well, we probably wouldn't have had the rushed derp that was Ultima IX if it wasn't for the EA buyout. This much was hinted in Ultima VII as well... Elizabeth and Abraham  |
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 23:25 Post subject: |
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Chris Priestly has posted the Dragon Age 2 preload (for digital versions) and unlock (for all versions) times. I have no idea why preloading needs to be regio-controlled but I'm not a gaming exec. Anyway, here is the full post:
Hi Dragon Age 2 PC gamers.
Many of you have been asking when you can pre-load Dragon Age 2 onto your machines. Pre-loading happens with digital versions of DA2 and is installing the game so it is ready to play once the unlock time arrives. Pre-loading is not available from all retailers. Check with your retailer to see if they offer pre-loading. You have also been asking when the game will unlock so you can start playing, which applies to digital and retail PC copies. These pertain to PC versions and not to console versions of Dragon Age 2.
Pre-Loading is based on the region you live in. Pre-loading of digital versions begins at the following times:
Asia/Pacific region – 18:00 GMT on March 4th
Canada & United States – 18:00 GMT on March 4th
Russian Federation - 18:00 GMT on March 4th
Western Europe – 10:00 GMT March 7th
Australia & New Zealand – 09:00 GMT on March 8th
Central and South America - 10:00 GMT on March 8th
Eastern Europe – 10:00 GMT March 8th
Great Britain & Ireland – 10:00 GMT on March 8th
Unlocking is based on the official game release date for the region you live in. The PC versions, both digital and retail, will unlock beginning at the following times:
Asia/Pacific region – 0000h on March 8th
Canada & United States – 0000h on March 8th
Russian Federation - 0200h on March 8th
Western Europe – 0000h on March 10th
Australia & New Zealand – 0000h March 9th
Central and South America - 1700h March 10th
Eastern Europe – 0000h March 11th
Great Britain & Ireland – 0000h March 11th
Get ready, Dragon Age 2 is almost here.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 23:30 Post subject: |
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must be most retarded release list if i ever saw one.. next time lets have different day for all major countries.. that would make it only hard thing about da3
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2011 23:32 Post subject: |
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I still don't understand this ridiculous staggered release for games, especially not when digital distribution is concerned. Why does one country get the game several days before another? It makes no sense to me whatsoever.
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