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sabin1981
| Quote: | | Not lately it's not, which you'd know if you ever bothered to actually read. |
Nice start. First line of the post and already an implied insult. I actually read a lot of topics here but I really don't want to go into a deep and insightful discussion of my reading capabilities.
| Quote: | | Ahhh, so it's irrational hating now? Giving reasons and examples and drawing comparisons is the new "irrational" is it? thanks, I'm so glad you cleared that up for me. |
Giving reasons and examples isn't irrational. What most people in here like to do is to take some aspect of a modern game and call it derp because it is not identical to that of an older game. And this is the best case scenario. Usually there are no reasons given for bashing at all. Besides nostalgia of course.
| Quote: | | It's hard keeping track of modern day slang you hip, young, studs use. |
Yeah, let's also bring my age into this because it contributes to the topic so much.
| Quote: | | Besides - please show me where I ever said "enjoying older games automatically prohibits you from enjoying newer titles" You can't because I never said that, nor did I imply it. |
And I didn't imply that you said or implied that. I was stating my opinion.
| Quote: | I love older titles and I love newer ones, I just don't love my older titles being taken and ripped apart, streamlined, made easier for fucking idiots without a pair of braincells to rub together, then having it pissed back in my face and DEFENDED by the aforementioned fucking idiots with solitary braincells who suddenly proclaim it to be the Second Coming. Who needs exploration? That detracts from all the killing and tits!! Who needs customisable equipment? That detracts from all the killing and tits!! Who needs a wealth of skills and abilities? That detracts from all the killing and tits!!
.. but hey, that's ok. We all know that Dragon Age 2 is going to be the very best game in the history of ever and if anyone disagrees, they're obviously old fools who cling to a notion of a "golden age" that never existed. Right? Besides, who cares if games are more streamlined, easy to the point of retardation, shallow as a bleach-blonde money-hungry whore and about as fun as a rectal examination ... just as long as they're darkier and sexier ... right? Gotta have dem tits, sir boss sir! |
Very dramatic and emotional. Doesn't need answering, though.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Feb 2011 20:27 Post subject: |
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Well i just tried the demo and..........fuck that's a disappointment. They may as well have made the full transition to hack and slash. Impressions from the demo :
- It look like shit, Low polygons count and low res texture. May look better in DX11 but i don't know since my card only support up to DX10 (9800GTX). Doesn't change the fact that origins still looked better than this even in DX9.
- The animations look very robotic to me. Sure it's at 50ish FPS but it feel sluggish as hell.
- Darkspawns look very generic. They looked better in Origins
- Keep loading every 30 secs or so which is fucking annoying
- Controls are sometimes unresponsive (and no that's not because i try to do too many move too fast)
So yeah i know it's just a demo and some of these issues will be fixed (technical like loading) but i was expecting much better, Hopefully the demo was taken from some Alpha shit (doubtful unfortunately) because otherwise...
I will probably still play it but for the story only. Judging from the demo i think that The Witcher 2 will destroy this but that's remain to be seen.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Feb 2011 20:41 Post subject: |
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Well, i actually "liked" the demo. I think i was expecting worse. Yes it's easy, but we can adjust difficulty in the final game to suit our more capable hands, and yes it's been streamlined, and yes the combat struggles trying to satisfy both old-school and action oriented gamers and will probably disappoint both. The graphics are better, although nothing to brag about, the sound and voice acting is still top notch, the animations are still somewhat broken although better than the 1st one. I had a hard time with the controls, not knowing if i was playing a 3rd person rpg or an isometric one. They seemed bad for both, and i think mainly 'cause of the camera.
Story wise, i enjoyed how the dwarf exaggerates our story in the beginning, and we kill dozens of darkspawn and the ogre easily and then when he tells the "real" story it becomes harder (still easy, but you what i mean). He also exaggerates the women proportions, which is funny, actually.
I think we might be in for a treat, story wise, after we accept this is Dragon Effect 2 and not Dragon Gate 2 (unfortunately).
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LuckyStrike
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Feb 2011 20:56 Post subject: |
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| Sauronich wrote: | sabin1981
| Quote: | | Not lately it's not, which you'd know if you ever bothered to actually read. |
Nice start. First line of the post and already an implied insult. I actually read a lot of topics here but I really don't want to go into a deep and insightful discussion of my reading capabilities.
| Quote: | | Ahhh, so it's irrational hating now? Giving reasons and examples and drawing comparisons is the new "irrational" is it? thanks, I'm so glad you cleared that up for me. |
Giving reasons and examples isn't irrational. What most people in here like to do is to take some aspect of a modern game and call it derp because it is not identical to that of an older game. And this is the best case scenario. Usually there are no reasons given for bashing at all. Besides nostalgia of course.
| Quote: | | It's hard keeping track of modern day slang you hip, young, studs use. |
Yeah, let's also bring my age into this because it contributes to the topic so much.
| Quote: | | Besides - please show me where I ever said "enjoying older games automatically prohibits you from enjoying newer titles" You can't because I never said that, nor did I imply it. |
And I didn't imply that you said or implied that. I was stating my opinion.
| Quote: | I love older titles and I love newer ones, I just don't love my older titles being taken and ripped apart, streamlined, made easier for fucking idiots without a pair of braincells to rub together, then having it pissed back in my face and DEFENDED by the aforementioned fucking idiots with solitary braincells who suddenly proclaim it to be the Second Coming. Who needs exploration? That detracts from all the killing and tits!! Who needs customisable equipment? That detracts from all the killing and tits!! Who needs a wealth of skills and abilities? That detracts from all the killing and tits!!
.. but hey, that's ok. We all know that Dragon Age 2 is going to be the very best game in the history of ever and if anyone disagrees, they're obviously old fools who cling to a notion of a "golden age" that never existed. Right? Besides, who cares if games are more streamlined, easy to the point of retardation, shallow as a bleach-blonde money-hungry whore and about as fun as a rectal examination ... just as long as they're darkier and sexier ... right? Gotta have dem tits, sir boss sir! |
Very dramatic and emotional. Doesn't need answering, though. |
Can you debate about the pros and cons of games you obviously never played?
Try planescape torment,. Then you might (i think you wont) understand some of the bitterness and sense of loss... Or i could tell you, i was young then..very young... and theres was this new game called pac-man..but..  hey we are talking RPGish here, not some sexy and dark PAC-MAN.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Feb 2011 21:12 Post subject: |
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| S.S.S wrote: | | They may as well have made the full transition to hack and slash |
=D
wait another year for Dragon Age 3 =p
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Feb 2011 21:13 Post subject: |
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| LuckyStrike wrote: |
Can you debate about the pros and cons of games you obviously never played? Try planescape torment,.
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| Sauronich wrote: | | I've played Arcanum, Planescape, Fallout 1-2 and Baldur's Gate 1-2. |
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LuckyStrike
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Feb 2011 21:41 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Feb 2011 22:02 Post subject: |
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| beyond1 wrote: | | By the way, who is the voice actor of the interregator? I can't stand her voice, she sounds like she has a cock in her mouth when she talks. |
I think it's Belinda Cornish (Baroness in DA: Awakening)
And maybe the grey hair was because she looks like that 10 years after the intro. Didn't notice it really so I don't now for sure.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Feb 2011 22:08 Post subject: |
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| LuckyStrike wrote: |
For some strange reason i find dificult to picture someone who did, with your awsers.
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Well, if you don't think I've actually played those games, I'm not really interested in trying to convince you otherwise. I do think that Planescape is a masterpiece and has the best story ever written for a videogame. Let's leave it at that.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Feb 2011 22:40 Post subject: |
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By the way, question for old-timers:
Did anyone got reminded of Baldur's Gate 1, when slicing in pieces those Hurlocks in exaggerated intro. You know, scene were Drizzit battles dozen of Gnolls on his own?
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Feb 2011 23:04 Post subject: |
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I just tried to replay the demo but with the rogue instead this time and it just keep crashing all the time. Worked on my first playthrough but now nothing works , even with default setting. It does start but either crash right before killing the ogre cutscene or right after the character customization screen. Lot of other ppl are reporting this as well
Shit demo
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Feb 2011 23:19 Post subject: |
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It would do the world a lot of good if you fucktards stopped your childish argument about the games that you've played and instead stayed on topic for at least once.
By the way, the only thing which I enjoyed in the demo was the appearance of Flemeth. She serves as a deus ex machina yet again.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Feb 2011 23:24 Post subject: |
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What annoys me most is not that some games goes the easier way and become more streamlined. I'm fine with that causual gamers also can get something out of playing (am a to an extent a causual gamer myself). But what I get annoyed at, is that EVERY single game goes down that path now. The gaming company are chasing money in cost of gaming itself. I can't understand why we can't have both, why the hardcore gamers can't get theirs and the causual gamers theirs. We can exist in the same world. A major company like EA should be able to release both for hardcore gamers and for casual...
The only game I know today that really gave a challenge of the "old" is Demon Soul's and well Bayonetta had major differences between easy and hard (which I think is fine).
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Werelds
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Feb 2011 23:31 Post subject: |
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For everyone saying they "play" the easier games for the story and lore: Go read a fucking book -there are tons of titles that have far better stories and much more lore than a title like this does. Even the little that has been published from J. R. R. Tolkien (just to pick a name everyone SHOULD know by now) is already pretty vast, even I'm convinced that the man had enough in his mind for 20 more books.
Honestly, you can blabber all you want but here's the facts: Why do you go for a game rather than a book? Oh that's right, because you want to play and get involved in the story. Now, if pressing a button once in a while is enough "playing" for you, then please go read a book, because that's about as involving as flipping a friggin page. As a bonus, you don't have to look at a graphical representation that has not evolved alongside technology and simply looks aweful for this day and age; if you have any imagination, you'll be able to imagine it much better while reading a book.
Face it, a decade or so ago games were trying to get stories across to us (gamers) as nice as possible on all aspects. Graphically they kept up with what computers were capable of and with gameplay they tried to make it as involving as possible. That did not necessarily mean making a game harder, but games did leave a lot more up to the players' imagination and freedom.
Now, let me flip this around. Let's look at film sequels and/or remakes. How many did you HATE because they fucked up after a brilliant first part? Or, assuming you *have* in fact read some books, how many film adaptations did you hate for how badly they fucked up what was represented in the books?
And that is what and why most of us hate what they're doing to recent games. A typical gamer used to play the games to either get involved in a story, or to have some challenge to conquer; same reason one participates in sports or plays board games.
Now, that reason is still there - you don't PLAY a game just for the story; again, you'd be better off reading books. No, people still play games because they want to get involved or "win" - the difference now is that the current generation is either lazy or just as dumb as a cow's ass. I'm not sure which one it is yet, quite possibly a combination of both even.
Anyone saying they *PLAY* a game just for the story (I honestly can't emphasize these words enough) is full of shit and is either illiterate or uneducated, because like I said, there are tens of thousands of books that have far better stories than any of these games 
Disclaimer: I'm not saying (all of) the above applies to this game; I have not yet made up my mind about this one and I'll keep it until the full version is out.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Feb 2011 23:58 Post subject: |
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I see what you're saying Werelds, and I agree too most stuff. But I also think a game can be easy to access, yet still have some depth. Plus I also understand that some can't put down as many hours into a game as one could when you were younger...hench playing more causal. I don't have problem with easier games, but as you said...it the game that pretty much play themself that annoys me. They're more like interactive movies where you push a button here and there and things happens, we saw that when the the cd-rom media first arrived too..pretty much the same.
I still don't want to say "Go and read a book if you want story". I myself play for the story, but ALSO for they enjoyment to pace it and to feel like a character in it. I just think the gaming companies have to find ways too make games accessble without removing things. I think that the "derps" as people now call them will adapt if the games starts to give them more of a challange, some might just quit...but I think most will find that a good story can go hand in hand with deep gameplay. Yet there should still be causal games to just kill time with, I still play Wii-sports for example. I just think there is room for everything if the companies let it..
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 00:03 Post subject: |
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If a game annoys you, you don't have to play it. Just move on. But nobody gave you the right to tell others how they should play their games or insult them, because they play them differently than you.
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 00:20 Post subject: |
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Well, to be fair, I am not seeing all the incredibly unbearable dumbing down in DA2 (as compared to DAO at least). All the issues I see are superficial and change how the things look (I am not liking some of the changes myself in that regard), but the core gameplay remains the same for the most part.
It's hard to make any clear judgement form the demo, but at this moment I can't see where all the bashing is coming from (apart from the presentation... but graphics are for derps, right? ... right?)
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 02:20 Post subject: |
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| JanKowalski82 wrote: | | If a game annoys you, you don't have to play it. Just move on. But nobody gave you the right to tell others how they should play their games or insult them, because they play them differently than you. |
Exactly. Haters gonna hate. The game is really great, much better then the first one in my opinion. So, if you don't like it, don't play it, stop bashing it.
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Ashok0
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 02:47 Post subject: |
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| JanKowalski82 wrote: | | If a game annoys you, you don't have to play it. Just move on. But nobody gave you the right to tell others how they should play their games or insult them, because they play them differently than you. |
Well, you know, no one got the right to screwing over my gaming experience either but it happens nonetheless you know... DLC buyers etc.
I think you get what I mean.
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locke89
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 02:52 Post subject: |
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Give us back the isometric view you Bioware cunts... Jesus, it's barely playable, camare skipping from one party character to another, at no point I can see the whole battlefield and STRATEGICALLY plan my actions. I just don't get why the fuck they had to remove iso view, fucking retards... Oh I really hope this game will fail on every conceivable level...
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 03:27 Post subject: |
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It's interesting that story gets raised in defence of the ongoing "streamlining" of new titles. Using Mass Effect 2 as an example (best RPG ever apparently), stats released by Bioware show that that 15% of conversations were skipped and only 50% of games that were started were actually finished. Those stats suggest to me that a fairly healthy chunk of the playerbase were in no way interested in the story at all. Undoubtedly those people are the ones that changes to ME2 were implemented for. I would suggest that a similar trend will be the case for DA2. Bioware have obviously gone out of their way to appeal to a broader base by pushing the game as a hack and slash affair. You can't tell me those people are interested in story.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 04:01 Post subject: |
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I've just played and finished the demo, and it was the worst thing that I have done today, hands down. Hopefully it didn't last long, but it was enough to make me realize that probably I won't even leech this game.
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 04:19 Post subject: |
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Played the demo a bit. Rubbish, though derps might like it
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 04:29 Post subject: |
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| De_TURK wrote: | | WHEATTHlNS wrote: | | weakpoint wrote: | | Isn't this first area just the tutorial part to show you different skills? I'm pretty sure you or your partner can't even die there. Not the best part to judge the whole difficulty. |
It is, but people gotta bitch. They've just experienced a tailor-made demo, and seem more than capable of critiquing the entire product. This is no new thing of course, since when Skyrimm approaches you'll see the exact same people (desperately holding on to their fond Square SNES memories) trot out the same old tired complaints. |
I can understand that you are referring to people who bash sequels of very old games. For example deus ex, the sequel that will be released in the near future will be criticized for sure. But it is not very justified, it should be judge on its own merits (years have past, different dev team etc.).
Dragon Age Origins was released not long ago, and the changes are radical to me. Like I said earlier, DAO is one of my favourite games of all time, why? I spend 70+ hours according to my savegame (not taking into account the reloading trail and error), 50+ of those hours were pure combat and dungeon crawling. The combat was truly a masterpiece for me, not perfect, but definitely in the right direction. I was expecting some improvements, but... I was wrong, very very wrong.
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The gameplay in DAO was fun, but there was definitely more than a bit of room for improvement, and a lot of it seems to have been addressed (from my perspective on the demo) in DA2. There is nothing in DA2 to suggest that party management has gone out the window, even though some want to think to the contrary. Skill trees, and progression I can not comment on because I haven't played the full game - but it is frustratingly static thinking to expect a company to give players the EXACT same product, iteration after iteration with only content changes. That's what an expansion pack is for.
While I agree that the changes to the combat flow will take some getting used to, the core mechanics are there - for anyone who wants to insanely micromanage their party - you can do that; not being able to flyout and view the entire battle without having to reposition the camera is going to take some getting used to, but will it break the entire experience - remains to be seen. I had zero issue managing the battlefield to be honest - but to each their own.
In regards to the "still not overused" derp comments - feh. There are certain posters on this board who will, like clockwork, bash any new IP or iteration of a game, sight unseen, and continue to do so, until finally they leech the thing (begrudgingly and really only to satisfy their own curiosity of course) and then have to admit that "Ya know, this isn't the worst thing since anal rape." And the cycle will continue. At some point, it gets old - so you see the "If you hate a game, why are you posting?" comments repeated ad nauseum.
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 04:47 Post subject: |
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Change isn't the problem. Change can be good, if it's an improvement. No, the problem is streamlining, which is change in the form of simplification purely in the interests of increasing the userbase and thereby profits, not about making the game better.
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