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 Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 18:00 Post subject: |
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how about its crap like the first one, too plain too boring same thing too simple hehe
acutally read igns review of 6.8, seems bad unless your desperate for some mindless killings
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 18:40 Post subject: |
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if you listen to ign then you're an idiot, every1 knows they're biased. Anyway the first 1 was alright but had some control issues and was a bit slow paced. This doesn't look much different though 
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 18:50 Post subject: |
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you don't think games like super mario world, super mario 64, goldeneye or zelda are perfect games given the time of release? i know these are mostly nintendo releases but they are classics and flawless. I don't see how a game like this in this day and age is good enough to get 99% though.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 19:12 Post subject: |
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yep and i would give both shenmue 11 out of ten!!! thats right better than perfect...no? okay? both tens in my book i know many poeple agree but i know moe disagree.
thats why i am excited for jade empire cause its set in the same kind of culture and is rela time fighting and has a great story.
come on good dvd5 release!!!!
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 19:25 Post subject: |
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yea but there are some reviewers which are usually accurate and you can use your own judgement as well to decide on a score.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 20:22 Post subject: |
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i d say, giving a game 10 out of 10 is bullshit, as long as the next lower score is 9.9 in that ratings system.
that would mean giving a game 100%, ie. it bein perfect.
no game can be perfect, no matter how good it is, i never even liked goldeneye or ocarina of time much, but it doesnt matter here, even if ocarina of time was the best game ever it still couldnt get a perfect 100%, cuz what if lets say in an alternate reality ocarina of time got released with some really important upgrade over the original one as we know it? that way both version would be rated the same, even if the other one was definitely better, and that d be unfair. games will always be topped by better games, even though i m sure it ll take a long time till games get released that can rival mgs3 or san andreas, but sooner or later ppl will expand their horizons, they will improve the hardware and thereby make up for an even better and more immersive gaming experience.
ah and btw IGN reviews just suck, jade empire a 9.9? please.
i saw a few videos of this game, the fighting isnt better than most western rpgs,
the animations are cheap and the collision almost as bad as in an mmorpg.
i rather go along with greg kasavin's reviews from gamespot, sure that guy is really strict and he rated mgs3 8.7 only which i find a little bit daring, but in his video reviews he always directly points out whats good and whats bad with the game, so you can make your own score.
generally, if you search for an unbiased as possible score, look up
gamestats.com.
and btw, dead to rights 2 does seem to suck, you can trust IGN reviews in one aspect, if they rate something badly then its definitely bad, if they rate something well then its maybe good.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 20:25 Post subject: |
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| Sublime wrote: | | you don't think games like super mario world, super mario 64, goldeneye or zelda are perfect games given the time of release? i know these are mostly nintendo releases but they are classics and flawless. I don't see how a game like this in this day and age is good enough to get 99% though. |
Because I honestly believe there is no perfect game. The simple fact is nothing is perfect. Its just an opinion. By saying something is perfect 10/10, thats either your opinion, or you'd be saying it as a fact. Now common. There will never be a perfect game. Ya see, 9.9% is saying that its close to perfect. Now if you simply gave it a 9/10 or 9.0 that'd be understandable. But my rating system differs. There is no perfect game.
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xAiTheHitman the game deserved a 9.9 in his opinion. A review is only based on the reviewers opinion about the game and not what others think. |
Rhetorically, yes. I just happen to think it doesnt deserve a 9.9 (opinion). I also happen to think no games perfect. See, theres a huge problem with critic reviews. Alot of people read reviews and say to themselves, "I dont want that game, its crap", or, "This game seems great". Alot of people dont think for themselves and just use reviews to base something on a game if its great or not. The same thing happened with NARC. Alot of game reviewers gave it a bad score. Sure, its not a great game. But alot of people enjoyed it and it was pretty decent. Theres nothing wrong with the game at all except for the glitches and alot of things some people might want to add in their opinon. Maybe some of the good reviews of the game were influenced by the price. It was only $20 so they might of bumped the score in their opinion because of that making it a value game. I hate when people do that. People should just judge games on what they are, not on price.
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yea but there are some reviewers which are usually accurate and you can use your own judgement as well to decide on a score. |
Yea, some are accurate matching alot of peoples opinions. Theres also a fine line between good and bad to. Take a game like Gun Warrior that just came out for the PC. Alot of people automatically know its bad. Plus, some critics might piss off fanboys. Like the review of MGS 3 on GameSpot. Alot of people thought it deserved atleast a 9.3 because it was their favorite game.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 21:13 Post subject: |
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yea man, see what i wrote up there with the "no game is perfect", that doesnt count for mgs3 ^^
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 21:18 Post subject: |
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but seriously now, it might not be perfect but mgs3 IS one of the best games of this generation, if you re a fanboy or not.
nobody can deny that the graphics and sound are great, the story compelling, the boss fights unique and the general gameplay very fun, plus not to forget the countless things you can unlock or all the gimmicks and easter eggs.
everyone i showed this game to absolutely loved it, ppl might say there are too many cutscenes, but even without these this game would stand firmly.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 21:21 Post subject: |
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You can use reviews as a general guide though.
If a game gets lets say 50% as an average on gamerrankings then you can safely assume it's not game of the year material.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 21:33 Post subject: |
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Maybe if you are a mainstream gamer.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 21:39 Post subject: |
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actually mainstream gamers enjoy shallow and cheap games more than hardcore gamers.
a hardcore gamer loves his games for the right reasons, "experienced" gamers
know whats good gameplay and what not,
whereas mainstream gamers often buy games cuz of their license or graphics and still enjoy them.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 21:49 Post subject: |
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How can't a game be perfect? what was wrong with mario / zelda or whatever else? i mean i cant think of other games that are like it but anywhere near as good. And i cant see flaws in either of the games either. you can't complain about the graphics because at the time they were pretty decent. there's no bugs, decent lengths etc. if you complain because it's not a racing game or jumping takes too long etc. then don't bother playing it.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 21:56 Post subject: |
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no, a game cant be perfect.
its simple logic, by saying something is perfect you re saying thats its impossible there will ever be something better.
cuz thats the definition of perfect, it doesnt mean its the best, it means its impossible to get better.
you may ask yourself what was wrong with zelda, i ask myself what was so good about it, seriously i made myself try to like ocarina of time and started playing it like 5 times, but every time i got really bored of it, i dont like the combat system, there is almost no story, most of the game takes place in boring dungeons, atleast in the beginning. maybe it just isnt my kind of thing, but i ve played alot of games which werent my thing and i still could objectively point out the good things about it and hence understand why other ppl like it so much; but it wasnt the case with ocarina of time, it will always remain a mystery for me.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 22:00 Post subject: |
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i said PERFECT AT THE TIME of course there will be advances but at the time of release these games were far ahead of the rest and set the pace for the years that followed. No storyline? ok you obviously aren't a zelda fan and if you don't like dungeons etc. (which btw were varied more than any other game i can think of) then clearly don't play the game.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 22:15 Post subject: |
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if you want to say it was the best game at the time, then fine,
but saying perfect at the time is stupid, because the word perfect isnt like other superlative words.
you can say the best, the most interesting, the most fun but not perfect.
perfect is clearly defined, it means its at the top of everything possible, it already destroys all potential to be better be it in past or future, perfect at the time doesnt make this any different, something being perfect isnt a matter of opinion and its timeless.
btw i play alot of dungeon based games, i loved the old lufia games on snes and nowadays i enjoy playing smt:nocturne or digital devil saga which are dungeon heavy games, but ocarina of time still bored me, and yes in comparison to most rpgs and adventure games nowadys the ocarina of time story is cheap.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 22:24 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 22:28 Post subject: |
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Well no because i wouldn't say any games out now are perfect. and yes it was perfect at it's time because it's still not really been surpassed even 5 years on. Saying jade empire is perfect is stupid though because we all know there are much better RPG's out now.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 22:34 Post subject: |
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i didnt say mainstream games are cheap and shallow, i m saying mainstream gamers would more likely enjoy shallow games that hardcore gamers wouldnt touch, because they didnt see and play alot to judge accordingly.
see for example:
every hardcore gamer would comply that pro evo soccer 4 is 100 times better
than fifa street, if not actually the best soccer game ever.
but, a mainstream gamer who doesnt play much and hence doesnt analyze games alot, would like fifa street better.
why? simple, its got the cool moves like in the tv spots, the music, the stars and its all modern urban style.
fifa street is in fact nothing more than a collection of well animated moves put on bad gameplay and controls, but a mainstream gamer wouldnt go as deep into game mechanics, hence he d have alot more fun with this game than a hardcore gamer.
about ff7, its my fav game, and imo the best rpg ever, but here in germany it didnt sell very well.
the games that were always on top here was the formula 1 series, cuz so many germans are formula 1 fans.
thats another example on how strong the license effect is on mainstream gamers.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 22:36 Post subject: |
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| Sublime wrote: | | i said PERFECT AT THE TIME of course there will be advances but at the time of release these games were far ahead of the rest and set the pace for the years that followed. No storyline? ok you obviously aren't a zelda fan and if you don't like dungeons etc. (which btw were varied more than any other game i can think of) then clearly don't play the game. |
I'm a Zelda fan and I still stand by what I say. If you read my other posts in other threads you'd see I am a Zelda fan. Thing is, were talking about games. In order for a game to be perfect, there has to be nothing wrong with it. It has to be flawless. That means if someone said they didnt like it for so and so reasons, ex. Say someone thought Zelda Ocarina of Time didnt simulte the land of Hyrule best as possible, or that there was too many dungeons, or needed more bosses. Maybe they wanted voice acting in the game. Those are all things that are opinions. You cant state it as a fact that its perfect because nothing is. The word perfect is often used as an opinion.
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yea man, see what i wrote up there with the "no game is perfect", that doesnt count for mgs3 ^^ |
That counts for MGS3 to. Its a game, isnt it? Although it seems to be like a movie at times, its a great game. I agree it deserved a better score on GameSpot. Nothing you can do about that. MGS3 itself was created also for fans of the MGS genre. So someone playing MGS3 for the first time might not grasp the ending very well.
Ex. You would than learn the reason for Big Boss creating Outer Heaven. (Spelled that right?)
You would learn more than just that though.
Anyway, no game is perfect.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 22:40 Post subject: |
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i didnt really mean that with mgs3 being perfect, i said it in the post directly afterwards, and yes the word perfect is very often used as an opinion , which is completely wrong as its a clearly defined objective term.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 22:43 Post subject: |
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Right, well no games flawless.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Apr 2005 02:17 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Apr 2005 02:51 Post subject: |
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| D_A_Kuja wrote: | if you want to say it was the best game at the time, then fine,
but saying perfect at the time is stupid, because the word perfect isnt like other superlative words.
you can say the best, the most interesting, the most fun but not perfect.
perfect is clearly defined, it means its at the top of everything possible, it already destroys all potential to be better be it in past or future, perfect at the time doesnt make this any different, something being perfect isnt a matter of opinion and its timeless.
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Something being perfect doesn't have to be timeless, thats your own created definition.
Even if something is perfect for just an instant, it was still perfect. All it means is that something is flawless, flaws are relative, so you're wrong.
But as far as describing games as being perfect, you're right, because for something to be perfect it needs to be beyond dispute, no game of this age could possibly be that. But perfection by nature is exclusive.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Apr 2005 08:43 Post subject: |
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WOW BENDERS HERE EH!
As for framerate, the 360 version runs smooth, while the PS3 is a jaggy mess that chugs along in slow motion.
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