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 Posted: Mon, 11th Apr 2005 14:54 Post subject: |
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I see in other threads people are getting a bit orgasmic with Reloaded apparently cracking Obscure....
Anyone else have serious issues with the suggestion that Reloaded were completely unable to touch Obscure or any of the other 'hard' protected SF3 games then suddenly it gets a US release and is broken?
Just an observation, suggests to me that Obscure's US release or the patch weren't anywhere near as secure as the original release, otherwise it'd have been broken straight away.
Those who think Reloaded are breaking SF3, worth thinking that the VM / VE / PCodes / whatever you want to call them, it's all hardware in software is easily changeable with each version, you could take all the hardware emulation in SF3 apart and the new version will shaft you as thoroughly as the version you just took apart.
Unless buggy and exploited (as Ultima did) SF3 and any other protection doing what it does is rock solid, and even when buggy a patch / update that closes the hole and it's game over.
As previously stated Ultima didn't break the VM, they used a bug to evade it.
pcode functions.... as many as they feel like putting in there, they could happily replace the entire x86 instruction set with pcoded instructions, they could create an entirely new instruction set that simulated multiple x86 instructions at a time.
Don't be under any allusions, the only thing limiting the depth and complexity of the virtual hardware functions in SF3 is the CPU and memory overheads.
Then of course you have exploiting it while getting around the memory checksumming, floating memory addressing, etc...
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Apr 2005 17:44 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Unless buggy and exploited (as Ultima did) SF3 and any other protection doing what it does is rock solid, and even when buggy a patch / update that closes the hole and it's game over. |
strange, i play XR till today and didn't encounter problems...... in Colin 2005 they (ult) quotes starforce sentece: "xr hole has been fixed" but they cracked Colin so they did it again........ how is it possible?
| Quote: | | As previously stated Ultima didn't break the VM, they used a bug to evade it. |
two times? two bugs? why no other group can understand their cracks if they were "bugs" only? if it is a bug then i'd love to play Splinter Cell with "buggy" (exploit?) crack, no matter who release it.
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Apr 2005 18:18 Post subject: |
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Believe that the fix for said bug was in itself not secure.
The bug was in Starforce itself, not the cracks, a crackfix was needed I believe for Colin 2k5, however was duly done and worked nicely.
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Apr 2005 18:44 Post subject: |
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yeah but i wonder why Hoodlum, Reloaded or others can't make the same type of cracks?
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Apr 2005 20:11 Post subject: |
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Pass, perhaps Ultima have a more complete understanding of the SF3 protection schemes.
Either way in the case of Obscure I note that the crack is for the 1.1 patch and consists of a single EXE. No way that's a full on SF3 VM etc protection. Would guess it was dumbed down to basic Starforce as a part of the patch. Relatively easy money.
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Apr 2005 20:27 Post subject: |
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Soo... we have the first official cracker (reverser?) here. From your posts I can say that you're a lonely warrior (or play this role very good) frustrated by the scene power.
It's nice to read opinions not only from gamers but also tech members.
I agree with almost all the things you said.
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Apr 2005 22:21 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005 07:05 Post subject: |
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| CableMunkeh wrote: | Pass, perhaps Ultima have a more complete understanding of the SF3 protection schemes.
Either way in the case of Obscure I note that the crack is for the 1.1 patch and consists of a single EXE. No way that's a full on SF3 VM etc protection. Would guess it was dumbed down to basic Starforce as a part of the patch. Relatively easy money. |
If an crack is an single exe that does not mean its easy to crack lol for example take Dead to rights ,IMS released an extra cd for the crack it has thousands of extra files patched but there are multiple methods of creating an crack Dead to rights can also be cracked only within the main game exe so that the game exe automaticly decrypts all those extra files but this more advanced method IMS didn't know how to do that..
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005 09:39 Post subject: |
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Stop the bullshit lAmBaDa!
Stop being an ass and post normal stuff. If I see you posting shit about a moderator once again I'll ban your ass.
No need for these kind of posts. I've deleted your posts.
| Injurious wrote: | | And then Mabel tripped over a rock and landed in a well and was trapped there with Timmy. Sadly I shot Lassie so no one is saving that bitch! |
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005 11:14 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Stop the bullshit lAmBaDa! |
man, calm down.....
take it easy, it was a HUMORISTIC topic. didn't u really notice it and took as serious posts??
| Quote: | | If I see you posting shit about a moderator once again I'll ban your ass. |
what shit r u talkin about? calm down....
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005 12:39 Post subject: |
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| kachain wrote: | Soo... we have the first official cracker (reverser?) here. From your posts I can say that you're a lonely warrior (or play this role very good) frustrated by the scene power.
It's nice to read opinions not only from gamers but also tech members.
I agree with almost all the things you said. |
If you're referring to me not really a cracker, more an interested amateur. Couldn't give a crap about the scene, the best crackers in the game have nothing to do with the elitist BS that the scene represents. Ultima and their release of games that the 1337 scene groups couldn't touch through P2P are pretty good evidence of that one. They just owned a full power SF3 implementation, do not pass go, do not collect poorly or unprotected betas, do not wait for a patch to tone down the protection.
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005 16:07 Post subject: |
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A little checking later, the crack as produced by Reloaded appears to be from a review copy of something similar, not the public final 1.1 EXE.
Puts paid to any ideas of RLD or any scene group 'pwning' SF3 any time soon I guess.
Also I admit to being wrong, the 1.1 patch upgrades the Starforce version, and is apparently as strong as the original.
Last edited by CableMunkeh on Tue, 12th Apr 2005 16:11; edited 1 time in total
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005 16:07 Post subject: |
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You know, you guys have really become sad. You finally got a Protection forum all to yourself, yet you still flame. Seeing as this is a protection forum, wouldnt it be fair to allow others to make their attempts on saying what they "know" about cracking SF3? This isnt the PC Forum where that shit doesnt belong. Cable is just trying to say his part. This is just going to turn into another bashing forum like the Scene Related section.
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005 16:14 Post subject: |
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exactly.
this forum will be monitored. Everyone has his opninion and can and may state it here. Talking about protections is what this forum is for, not bashing eachother.
Consider this as a general warning!
| Injurious wrote: | | And then Mabel tripped over a rock and landed in a well and was trapped there with Timmy. Sadly I shot Lassie so no one is saving that bitch! |
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005 16:46 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | You finally got a Protection forum all to yourself, yet you still flame. |
| Quote: | | Talking about protections is what this forum is for, not bashing eachother. Consider this as a general warning! |
Excuse me guys, but did I miss something? What flaming (bashing) are you talking about? I reviewed the last 40 posts in this thread and did not found any flame. Where is the problem?
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005 17:03 Post subject: |
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| CableMunkeh wrote: | A little checking later, the crack as produced by Reloaded appears to be from a review copy of something similar, not the public final 1.1 EXE.
Puts paid to any ideas of RLD or any scene group 'pwning' SF3 any time soon I guess.
Also I admit to being wrong, the 1.1 patch upgrades the Starforce version, and is apparently as strong as the original. |
A review patch... lol... I haven't heard of such thing as a review patch... (I receive review versions of games, cause I write reviews for newspapers, and games sites... every game is protected...)... Don't pretend to be someone you're not...
Reloaded really cracked all those games... You can't say the own it because SF3 is very hard to crack, but they cracked these games for sure... and they will surelly crack more... Other groups will also crack SF3... it only takes time...
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005 17:10 Post subject: |
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| bigboy177 wrote: | | CableMunkeh wrote: | A little checking later, the crack as produced by Reloaded appears to be from a review copy of something similar, not the public final 1.1 EXE.
Puts paid to any ideas of RLD or any scene group 'pwning' SF3 any time soon I guess.
Also I admit to being wrong, the 1.1 patch upgrades the Starforce version, and is apparently as strong as the original. |
A review patch... lol |
Where do you see 'A review patch' in CableMunkeh's post before u have 'lol' trie to read.
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005 17:27 Post subject: |
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Did you see RLD Obscure release... ? There's a patch there... and it's cracked... The ver of game after patching is 1.1... so:
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A little checking later, the crack as produced by Reloaded appears to be from a review copy of something similar, not the public final 1.1 EXE.
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So they've got a review patch with no protection... lol
Maybe they also found Patch 1.4 for SuperPower 2...
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005 18:13 Post subject: |
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Of course, where the game was released after the 1.1 patch was built they obviously released the game in 1.0 version. Clearly they wouldn't think of releasing the 1.1 version even if it was around before that territory's version went gold....
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005 18:27 Post subject: |
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Let's stop this argument battle and say one thing: Reloaded can't crack Starforce virtual machine - that's a fact.
Regarding reviews: I can assure you that many reviews are unprotected and I bet we have some other NFOrce members able to confirm this information.
| Quote: | | Ultima and their release of games that the 1337 scene groups couldn't touch through P2P are pretty good evidence of that one. They just owned a full power SF3 implementation, do not pass go, do not collect poorly or unprotected betas, do not wait for a patch to tone down the protection. |
I'm really impressed by their appearance (and disappearance) and have been thinking about the same subject (skipping betas, patches, cracking retails and spreading the releases via P2P only...).
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005 20:59 Post subject: |
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Reloaded have an lack of coders they can't build an tool for starforce3 i don't blame them as this is not an easy job to do. we would never know if FLT could have done it..to bad they got themself busted . realy bad as this was the biggest and best group most capable...
the second Ultima release do you have to reboot youre computer for it or not ?
I thought not but maybe i already had the starforce drivers installed..
someone know it if you have to reboot youre computer with Colin McRae Rally 2005 (c) Ultima ?
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005 21:22 Post subject: |
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as i remember i didn't have to reboot the PC with Colin (actually i play XR and i didn't have to reboot too)
what's the difference anyway?
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005 21:48 Post subject: |
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not reboot means they cracked the starforce driver thats an good thing. With the first Ultima release you had to reboot so its not an legit /good crack if you ask me cause all the issues with people computer systems with starforce 3 causes are also present in the "cracked" Xpand rally release i don't like have the starforce 3 drivers in my pc. i want the cracked release be better then the original release if they leave the starforce3 drivers in place than to bad but its not an good crack..more an exploit/workaround. (ofcourse its better then have such an release then no release at all...)
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Apr 2005 21:48 Post subject: |
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| lAmBaDa wrote: | as i remember i didn't have to reboot the PC with Colin (actually i play XR and i didn't have to reboot too)
what's the difference anyway? |
Think he was wondering if installing and starting up the ULT cracked versions installed the SF3 drivers - I'm pretty sure they do, the driver check code is present.
EDIT: Yep looks that way, from Mr McRae's 2005
008F34BE AreDriversInstalled:
008F34BE call SUB_L008F31B3
008F34C3 test eax,eax
008F34C5 jz L008F34CA
008F34C7 xor eax,eax
008F34C9 retn
Also code to install if check fails.
Doesn't necessarily prove that this code is used as I certainly don't wanna step through the entire thing but the code is all there.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 00:11 Post subject: |
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I had a question. If you install SC3 on windows xp 64-bit edition maybe the starforce drivers don't work and you can play SC3 without buying the game.
It's just a stupid idea of me but could it work?
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Apr 2005 00:15 Post subject: |
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lol, good question
so, anyone can try it? does starcrap support windoze xp 64?
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