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 Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2011 00:25 Post subject: |
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| tainted4ever wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: | | tainted4ever wrote: | Nope. Seems PM system is fucked. Joy to the world  |
Well thanks for the pdf, not exactly what I was looking for but I appreciate it. Erm, not to be an ungrateful asshole but I don't suppose you could search where ever you sourced that for the 2010 ARPM Long scoring key could you? 
Older keys are of no use to me btw; each year they bring out a new scoring key in june for the restandardised tests and this is what allows a candidate to work out what kind of pattern recognition is going to be used for each question. See the problem is that I can practice old questions, but without knowing the criteria that decides how the answers are scored (The Advanced Long RPM have questions where you have to draw in the sequential pattern rather then multiple choice) it's pretty fucking pointless. Not that I can even find any Advance Long question examples to practice with anyway. All that seems available online is the shitty multiple choice standard short form questions.
See the testable IQ ceiling for the standard short form RPM is 160, so it's useless to the Triple Nine and to me. I guess what I want isn't available just because it's not used all that often so not many people have a need for it. |
Sorry, I looked high and low for it, but it simply isn't online. I have a feeling that the documents were never digitized to begin with, and all the people who paid $1000 for the tests couldn't be arsed to scan and pirate what they just paid $1000 for.
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I'm sure you're right, it's not as if employers ever have a need for anything but the standard short form questions, since the probability of anyone in a random sample breaking a 160 ceiling is 1/100,000, and if anyone gets a perfect score I guess they're instantly given 'very high' potential status or whatever. I suppose in a way it's like trying to find the test papers that school students will be taking this year, pretty much impossible unless you work in the industry.
Wow, actually looking at that it makes you realise just how absurdly high Epsilons IQ is lol. I mean there are less then 1000 people in the entire UK with a IQ that high.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2011 14:37 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: |
Epsilon's 3 laws of cybernetics:
1.You cannot harm AnimalMother and Epsilon.
2. You must protect AnimalMother and Epsilon as long as this does not conflict with the first law.
3. Primary objective is to terminate all console fanboi's regardless of the first or second law.
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So...
If I was the machine I'd say, "well it only says don't harm AnimalMother && Epsilon", I'd go out and take out both of you seperately, thus solving further trouble
I'd really like to take an IQ test but I think that I would put too much weight on it's importance, allthough I know that the achieved value couldn't be ANYTHING else than just a general indicator regarding the intelligence of a person. |
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2011 14:45 Post subject: |
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I did some IQ tests in teh past, some mandatory, I got varying results. Either my intelligence goes up and down up and down with the years, or it's arbitrary to some extent.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2011 15:05 Post subject: |
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If you're not all happy, jolly, social and shit, you're instantly branded socially retarded. "Psychological disorders" are being abused in our age. I don't have to happy all fucking day and ask how your weekend has been every freakin week to be normal. I don't give a shit really. Especially working in a lab this "socialize motherfucker" bullshit is taking extreme forms. I can imagine it's the same in other fields where one needs to cooperate with other people.
I don't know this Perelman guy, but accepting that money and doing whatever the provider asks you to do, is not a requirement of social normalcy (or whatever one might call it). Sure it deviates from what most people would do, but I can actually understand the man. If he is happy with what he does and what he got, it's perfectly normal for him to decline. Not everyone wants a lot of money or has big ambition. I for one think "ambition" and "success" are shoved down our throats from a young age.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2011 15:18 Post subject: |
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/23/grigory-perelman-rejects-1m-dollars
| Quote: | Perelman is currently jobless and lives with his mother and sister in a small flat in St Petersburg. (He has his own spartan one-bedroom flat, allegedly full of cockroaches, but rarely uses it.)
Perelman refuses to talk to the journalists camped outside his home. One who managed to reach him on his mobile was told: "You are disturbing me. I am picking mushrooms." The handful of neighbours who have seen him paint a picture of a scruffily dressed, unworldly eccentric. "He always wears the same tatty coat and trousers. He never cuts his nails or beard. When he walks he simply stares at the ground, rather than looking from side to side," one told a Moscow newspaper. |
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2011 16:46 Post subject: |
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You know, no matter how high your IQ is, that all counts for nothing if you're lazy  Trust me...
I have great visual intelligence, but if I don't do anything and just lay around I won't be any smarter...
You have to be able to use your knowledge in the best possible way, and that can be hard sometimes...
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2011 19:25 Post subject: |
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Indeed it is. I've also made some stupid mistakes when overworked and lacking sleep. Coffee will not do it for you once you're addicted, then it'll only get you to normal capacity and even less than that when you're tired.
@Pumpy I think AM is refering to how it's written in the Arthur C. Clarke book. Besides that you wouldn't make a program that looked like that unless you did it in really high level human readable language, which you wouldn't for a cyborg as effeciency and speed would be key.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2011 19:32 Post subject: |
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| dingo_d wrote: | You know, no matter how high your IQ is, that all counts for nothing if you're lazy Trust me...
I have great visual intelligence, but if I don't do anything and just lay around I won't be any smarter...
You have to be able to use your knowledge in the best possible way, and that can be hard sometimes... |
you're lazy because you're intelligent. same shit was going on in my life for far too long. never did jack shit for school but scored one A grade after another. never failed, so you think it goes on like that for the rest fo your life and become a lazy bastard. add to that talents in various areas and maybe ADHD, so you try to becoma a master in all, but ultimately failing or never getting above average in any of them.
in the end, that's the reason why most highly intelligent people lack discipline and fail to achieve greatness, in contrast to some moderately intelligent person succeeding, cause he just put all his eggs in one basket and made the most of it.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2011 19:52 Post subject: |
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one shouldn't use it an excuse tho for underachieving. all it takes is falling flat on your face, getting back up again and finally putting that brain to some good, determined use. worked for me at least.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2011 19:55 Post subject: |
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A truly intelligent person will find things challenging him/her outside of school/education. "School didn't challange me" is a poor excuse imo. If I had to guess, I'd say only 20% of my knowledge came from education pre-uni.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2011 20:36 Post subject: |
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Hmm at age ten I started to read adult's novels, mainly SF in the beginning later on Fantasy as well. At age 12 I started to read a newspaper and followed the politics in my country and others.
If one has an intellect one will need more sources as food for thoughts. As with achievements, if you are intelligent, the things that interest you are easily absorbed and the things that bore you are hard to acquire.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2011 20:48 Post subject: |
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Well, my intelligence is squandered by my laziness and lack of discipline. 
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 14:25 Post subject: |
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| Epsilon wrote: | | @Pumpy I think AM is refering to how it's written in the Arthur C. Clarke book. Besides that you wouldn't make a program that looked like that unless you did it in really high level human readable language, which you wouldn't for a cyborg as effeciency and speed would be key. |
I know what AnimalMother was reffering to (and partially http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics ) and I know that you wouldn't program in anything like that... You truly think me is stoopid, right?  |
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 18:18 Post subject: |
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| PumpAction wrote: | | Epsilon wrote: | | @Pumpy I think AM is refering to how it's written in the Arthur C. Clarke book. Besides that you wouldn't make a program that looked like that unless you did it in really high level human readable language, which you wouldn't for a cyborg as effeciency and speed would be key. |
I know what AnimalMother was reffering to (and partially http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics ) and I know that you wouldn't program in anything like that... You truly think me is stoopid, right? |
Of course not. You're working at IBM.
As the company song goes: "IBM Successful men We work and work all day. We're IBM Successful men That's why we are so gay HEY!".
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 22:20 Post subject: |
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And please please stop claiming the Three Laws of Robotics were invented by Arthur C Clarke. He was a decent Scifi writer, but it was the ridiculously intelligent Isaac Asimov that came up with the three laws of robotics as well as invented the word robotics. Reading his robot stories are great if you're interested in how bad AIs can be detected.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 22:30 Post subject: |
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Eh Frant, Asimov created the three robot laws, the word robot comes from the Czech language and means labourer.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 23:35 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | iconized wrote: | | Eh Frant, Asimov created the three robot laws, the word robot comes from the Czech language and means labourer. |
Yes, I just told you that Asimov created the three robot laws, and that he invented the word robotics (not Robot) which is what the industry of creating and designing robots is called.  |
My mixup as well I'm afraid. Sorry Asimov. Now on to Hans Moravec then, or even self replicating Von Neumann machines. |
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2011 01:02 Post subject: |
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I don't have anything on the test you are looking for so I can't help there.
I can understand you being uncomfortable with the testing, with what it offers you financially, not to mention the potential hurt your pride and ego. Just a few things I should think you keep in mind. You did pass the test with room to spare the first time, I doubt you will do worse the 2nd time around. The fact that you felt rushed on the rest sounds normal but remember you still were able to do it, and do it well. Life and even IQ, the brain, is all about balance. No one is perfect in everything so it is natural that some things are going to be harder then others. In the end your balance was good so have some faith in yourself. If everything in life was a breeze you would be missing out on a lot of opportunities for emotional growth. You can have highest IQ in the room but with out the emotional Intelligence to go along with it you fail at life.
edit: without emotional intelligence to go along with it you fail at life.
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2011 06:11 Post subject: |
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I agree about emotional 'IQ'. I for one am not very empathic, and that creates some situations when around people who are and have a hard time understanding why I'm unsympathetic to their plight. And often it's mistaked for arrogance.
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