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hahaha
o what laugh
a topic about someone wanting to cheat on IQ test just to be in a club that "finances" HIS student loan
but no we don't talk about : how he could be in such financial mess and how he is now with his back to the wall situation ...
but about how HIGH IQ is dependent in real life
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2011 19:32 Post subject: |
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| garus wrote: | Epsilon, how's your math skills? I, for one, find math boring and have to study harder to pass, but programming was never an issue for me. I learn new things and adapt pretty well.
And yet everyone keeps telling me if i'm good at programming, I should be good in math too... |
This...anything programming related is a piece of cake. But with math I usually have a lot more trouble with. I'm thinking that's because the way of thinking in using math or programming for solving a problem is quite different.
For example I can read two books on similar topics, one written primarily by a programmer, other by a mathematician and it will take me twice or more time to understand what the mathematician is trying to say.
Although my math skills are getting better, and I'm thinking getting a degree in it one day.
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2011 19:36 Post subject: |
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| garus wrote: | Epsilon, how's your math skills? I, for one, find math boring and have to study harder to pass, but programming was never an issue for me. I learn new things and adapt pretty well.
And yet everyone keeps telling me if i'm good at programming, I should be good in math too... |
It depends on the math really, if I have to do basic arithmetic on paper I usually get it wrong :s but if I just do it in my head theres no problems at all - hardly makes sense does it. Something to do with the difference of having the numbers in your head and looking at them. I've always had to look at a problem and remember it, stop looking at it and then write down the solution. Algebra and calculus isn't a problem. |
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2011 20:11 Post subject: |
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that's sad, during my trip to poland, i met a member of mensa and he told me i should definitely apply
but if it's all about IQcock measuring, then i might not
i believe IQ is more about vivacity and versatility than intelligence (can you define that? yet measure it?), but people get it wrong when they see the name (as much as some misunderstand darwin's theory)
i too am average (or slightly above) in math, because i totally stopped studying in junior school (too bad, cause i was a genius in school, but my mother raising me and my brother alone couldn't afford one of those leet school), and then i got a computer
and yet i wrote some crazy thing in C (but not in asm, what kind of sick autistic are you Epsilon?!  )
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2011 20:55 Post subject: |
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| psikobare wrote: | | , during my trip to poland, i met a member of mensa |
Pics or it didn't happen!
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2011 21:20 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2011 22:26 Post subject: |
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| Hfric wrote: | hahaha
o what laugh
a topic about someone wanting to cheat on IQ test just to be in a club that "finances" HIS student loan
but no we don't talk about : how he could be in such financial mess and how he is now with his back to the wall situation ...
but about how HIGH IQ is dependent in real life
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I'm already a member goon, if you're in financial trouble becoming a member will not help you, they do not give hand-outs or retroactively subsidise debt. Aside from the social side of it there are not other guaranteed benefits to being a member, it doesn't work like that, they deal with people on an individual basis.
I can't be arsed to explain every detail, but it's a complex history so just read it or fuck off. I was back at uni before the start of my fourth term; at the student fair there was a promotion on where government supported students (i.e. low income) could take the Triple Nine entrance test for free, normally you have to pay for it. After becoming a member, and thus showing potential I suppose, the promotion essentially involved them encouraging you to further your education with the incentive of having the interest frozen on any further government provided student loans/tuition fees if you take the maximum allowance, which as a low income student you are entitled to.
Ok so you go on to further education, the government give you a massive loan to cover the tuition fees/living costs/academic equipment etc. Thus the Uni gets the benefit of having it's abnormally extortionate tuition fees paid for the next few years, the government gets a highly educated and hopefully high salary tax payer and the society gets a percentage of the bumped up tuition fee. Finally you get a further qualification without having to worry about your massive student loan spiralling out of control through the a high interest rate. Everybody wins, in theory...
Student loans and Tuition fees are handled completely differently now, but this was before the massive budget cuts as a result of the recession.
Only thing is they don't tell you that you have to remain a member to have the interest frozen.
Situation I am in now is that I'm earning a very respectable income, this combined with the bullshit new conservative legislation mean the APR on my loan is ridiculous. I have a high income, but also high outgoings at the moment due to personal research I'm doing which has no near future earning potential.
What would be happening now if I wasn't a member is that all I could really afford to pay off each month would be the interest. So it's not like I would fucked exactly, it's just that I would have a constant drain on my finances that has absolutely no benefits.
If I lose my membership (admittedly doubtful) my only other real option aside from the above would be to halt my personal research, which I love btw, and then start paying off the loan which would be gone within a couple of years if I dedicated all my free cash to it.
It's not that I can't pass the test without practice, it's that there are so many variables which can affect performance, and I'll be stressing like a fucktard over just the possibility of getting a score below the membership requirements.
Of course, I can just take the test again. Since you're allowed to take the question paper away with you I'll then have the scoring key anyway, which is what I've been trying to source at the moment. It's not cheating, they actually expect you to practice between tests.
Only problem is you can't take the test again for another 6 months if you fail, this is to ensure that they don't have loads of fucktards paying to take test weekly or something since the tests and questions are generated on an as needed basis about a week before the test is held, and it costs quite a lot. Each testing session the entire cohort has the same test, but this doesn't matter since you all take it at the same time. Each testing session requires a unique paper, to prevent cheating.
Ok so the problem isn't really that I would have to pay the interest off for 6 months, it's that I can't have anything interrupting my personal experiment progress, since I can't just stop and start the trials, it's a continuous process and I've already invested months which I'm not willing to let go to waste.
So there you have it, the whole fucking story for you to read and STFU. I didn't expect to have to give such a detailed account, but I would like anyone with the potential to help to know I'm serious.
Now if you're too insecure about your intellect to even read a post about IQ's without feeling stupid then just don't bother responding.
TL:DR = I'm not trying to cheat, I'm trying to be prepared, which is actually expected (If you fail the test - see above)...this is not about IQ or elitism. It's about not having to stress over bullshit interest payments making my life difficult at the worst possible time.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2011 22:35 Post subject: |
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| Epsilon wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: | | Epsilon wrote: |
fyi my iq is 165, though being in the autism spectrum I may have an advantage, whats yours?  |
It's lower then yours...
You know depending on the standard deviation of the test/s you took that averaged that result, you would be considered to have an IQ indicative of near genius to genius ability.
Is there any particular academic discipline you excel at? |
Yes programming, I'm very good at low level asm and c languages, of course I can do high level as well; it being easier. At my work I use c++ and some low level stuff, I work as a systems engineer. I don't hold a doctorate as I find university research boring and ungratifying when I never see my work in practice - I had started a phd but never finished it as I got bored with it.
Aside from that when I was in kindergarten, I was believed to be retarded, as I didn't engage in social matters on the same level as the other children.
It wasn't until later that it was realised that I was very skilled in a very narrow area and not particularly at other areas - areas I've since then spent an obscene amount of time training and bettering myself in. |
It's very possible that you have the highest IQ out of all the members of this forum; I can believe it too since I've noticed certain information you've revealed over the years in disparate posts seemingly indicating that you are an Arthur C Clarke third law type technomancer lol. 
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2011 23:52 Post subject: |
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The closest I could fine was this:
http://ppw.kuleuven.be/okp/_pdf/Verguts2002TIOSR.pdf
Which might be helpful to you. PM'd you too since this thread just pulled a disappearing act.
EDIT Just read through it. The rules are described on page 19 of the paper. Should be relevant to your interests.
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2011 00:02 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | It's not that I can't pass the test without practice, it's that there are so many variables which can affect performance, and I'll be stressing like a fucktard over just the possibility of getting a score below the membership requirements. |
This is an often forgotten issue. Some claim that you cannot "practice" to get smarter and therefore pass IQ tests. However, that's only true to some extent. There are so many factors and variables that can affect performance. For instance, someone with experience doing these tests will be better prepared than someone who've never seen a test like this and would most likely need more time to solve some of the logical puzzles. Therefore, learning HOW the tests work will give you an advantage. Add to this your current mental state, how patient and focused you are etc. and it's clear there are many variables to deal with.
On the other hand, if you "don't have it" you will simply not be able to solve them. Still, there's a chance of someone failing the test actually being smarter than someone passing it due to various circumstances
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2011 11:05 Post subject: |
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the thing is you're easily provoked , so i used your flaw to make you write the details AM i already knew how those clubs work from practice i had with them , i only needed one detail i missed "why you want so much to be in" , and now we get it , its a your hobby called 'personal research' 
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2011 11:15 Post subject: |
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This IQ everyone speaks of, is it an app for the iPhone or something...?
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2011 14:47 Post subject: |
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@AM
And u and Leo say I produce walls of text fuck dude
ur posts are heavy reading for us NA's...remember, when I get up say at 7am its 12pm in England
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2011 17:06 Post subject: |
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If you earn £1000 per week you have to pay back £64 per week. Now seriously, that is not a lot of money compared to earnings, and if you think it is, you must be in some SERIOUS debt or have a drug problem.. or something.
That is if this is true: "You’ll repay nine per cent of your earnings over £15,000"
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/EducationAndLearning/UniversityAndHigherEducation/StudentFinance/RepayingStudentLoansCoursesStartingFrom1998/DG_10034867
Just cut back on the champers and caviare, and leave the Porsche in the garage a bit more.
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2011 18:44 Post subject: |
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I don't know how it is in the UK, but paying off student loans is piss easy here unless you didn't achieve anything.
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2011 19:37 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: |
It's very possible that you have the highest IQ out of all the members of this forum; I can believe it too since I've noticed certain information you've revealed over the years in disparate posts seemingly indicating that you are an Arthur C Clarke third law type technomancer lol. |
I don't know about that, first of all the technology isn't quite there, and I'm not sure I'm 'that' skilled.
If I am, we have both technomancers and mad scientists on this forum, maybe we should device a plan to take over a small country, we just need someone with a background as a marine or arms specialist to handle the physical work. |
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2011 19:37 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | I don't know how it is in the UK, but paying off student loans is piss easy here unless you didn't achieve anything. |
It's the same here. And if you didn't achieve anything and you have a job that pays lower 15000 per year, you don't pay anything. If you never get a job that pays more than 15 grand the debt will eventually be written off.. It's kind of a win win situation.
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2011 20:40 Post subject: |
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| Newty182 wrote: | | Mister_s wrote: | | I don't know how it is in the UK, but paying off student loans is piss easy here unless you didn't achieve anything. |
It's the same here. And if you didn't achieve anything and you have a job that pays lower 15000 per year, you don't pay anything. If you never get a job that pays more than 15 grand the debt will eventually be written off.. It's kind of a win win situation. |
First off, my student loan is pretty huge, after 7 years, the tuition fees for a a BSC Degree, a masters and a PhD course, the latter two of which were inflated because of the Triple Nine commission; also the condition that I take the maximum loan possible for my income level for the last 4 years of my education mean that I owe a lot! Not going to give amounts here of course.
Now not only am I self employed, which already increases taxation, I also have a huge annual gross income as dictated by the multiple contractual grants I have from my university. But the majority of this is already committed to mandatory expenditures which basically are a condition of the grants in the first place, the primary of which is hiring the private lab space but also includes equipment access and consumable reagents/substrates and a few...oh fuck it I can't be arsed...
I'm sick of having to explain every little detail. Just understand that the amounts I will be having to pay monthly and the interest rate on top of that will be abnormally high due to the uniqueness of my situation.
If anyone can help me I appreciate it. Did you get my PM tainted? Anyway, specifically it's the 2010 ARPM Long scoring key that I'm looking for. But I'd actually prefer to just generally discuss IQ and tests in this thread now rather then constantly having to defend my position. I doubted anyone would be able to provide what I need, but it was mostly a copy/paste of a post I'd already written on another forum so I thought what the hell, maybe someone will have even taken the test since July last year and be able to take a picture of the key for me. 
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2011 21:11 Post subject: |
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To be honest I don't have much free cash left over after all the expenditures. But the income dedicated to the personal research I'm doing (I've detailed it in other posts) can be considered an extremely expensive hobby, so it's not like I'm struggling or anything. But it's now at the stage where I'm testing in vivo on rats, and not only have I already invested a large amount to get to this stage I've also already committed future income to it. It actually takes over 60% of my disposable income each month, which wasn't my original intention but it's just inflated to that over time.
So cutting back on the 'luxury' of this particular hobby will mean time and money wasted, and I'll have to start all over again if I want to continue. I have to say though if that were the case I might just give up on that particular venture since it was tedious in the beginning anyway.
So yeah, I have an expensive 'habit' and I would really prefer not to interrupt it.
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If I am, we have both technomancers and mad scientists on this forum... |
You know what that collaboration indicates to me...cyborgs, genetically engineered cyborgs with Epsilon coded behavioural algorithms.
Epsilon's 3 laws of cybernetics:
1.You cannot harm AnimalMother and Epsilon.
2. You must protect AnimalMother and Epsilon as long as this does not conflict with the first law.
3. Primary objective is to terminate all console fanboi's regardless of the first or second law.
Oh wait, on second thought, maybe I'll just stick to the rats for now.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2011 21:27 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2011 22:06 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: |
You know what that collaboration indicates to me...cyborgs, genetically engineered cyborgs with Epsilon coded behavioural algorithms.
Epsilon's 3 laws of cybernetics:
1.You cannot harm AnimalMother and Epsilon.
2. You must protect AnimalMother and Epsilon as long as this does not conflict with the first law.
3. Primary objective is to terminate all console fanboi's regardless of the first or second law.
Oh wait, on second thought, maybe I'll just stick to the rats for now. |
So third law takes priority over the first and second? What happens if AM and Epsilon goes at it against each other? I suppose giving one of you a console would solve that matter for the cyborg. |
Haha, well if Epsilon is coding these laws and thus defining the 'true' state for being a console fanboi, I would be dead as soon as it was activated lol, which is my point.
Oh yeah, well if we had a fight as long as the cyborg could intervene without hurting either of us then it would do so.
Besides, Epsilon secretly coding the prime directive of ' Always obey Epsilon even if he tells you to go fuck yourself' would mean that a 'perma ban' from the forum would be a perma ban from being among the living.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2011 23:45 Post subject: |
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1+1 = 3
AM I DOING IT WRITE ??
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