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Hierofan
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 Posted: Thu, 27th Jan 2011 21:22 Post subject: Cheating at exam |
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So , tomorrow is one of the big ones for me , Artificial Intelligence and it's fucking though , it's alot and the teacher will probably expell me if i get caught , so i'll have to snoop the area to see what cheating posibilites i have.
So any of you got some bright ideas ?
I cheated about 90% of my exams in these 4 years , heck , even the easier ones cause i could.I have 160 page to learn and most of these i'll have to rewrite to pass the exam , not all , granted there are 4 parts and each part has about 10-20 subjects.
I usually bring small piece of folded paper that's like a booklet that i hold in my palm , or even do whole answers and then just swap the paper and fill the details (date , exman , subjects and whatnot).OR the gullible method is that i have a pile of about 10 sheets and under the 2nd or 3rd one on one side there are answers written , teachers usually don't inspect both sides if they check me, they only see blank pages
Tomorrow is different tho , it's a small room and there are like 12 of us , so i'd be a sitting duck.
I could use a wireless handsfree magnetic speaker that i put in my ear but i have a strong hunch the fucker will bring detection equipment.
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Jan 2011 21:24 Post subject: |
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Hierofan
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Jan 2011 21:27 Post subject: |
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| tainted4ever wrote: | How could you cheat on AI? Subject is awesome  Took it last quarter, loved it, but I guess it all depends on prof. |
Yeah , i know , but the fucker made it difficult as hell
It's like mostly 90% biology (i am not kidding) with some words i've never ever heard of in there just to make it harder to learn , i had to use a god damn dictionary and some sentences don't make any fucking sense.
It could easely be 80 pages if it weren't filled with bullshit
There was another teacher that did this (he reffered to himself in the 3rd person so go figure) and it's just sloppy teaching. |
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spankie
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Jan 2011 22:28 Post subject: |
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I have no respect left for chronic cheaters. I can understand you try it when you have 3 exams in 1 week and got sick or something, but even then. I am taking economics at university at the moment, whilst doing my job. Exams are though, especially since I attended 0h of the classes and studying is like a big puzzle of time slots. But even then it is doable. It takes some time to get through it, you have to sacrifie some fun time, but it is only 4 weeks/year...
1) Just study it. 160pages is more than passable.
2) Cheating is so over rated. What you gonna do? 1 formula will not save the day, 1 word will not save the day. And you cannot cheat 'insights' into the exam room. If your faith depends on some cheatable thing, chances are big your cheating won't suffice. If you are picking up the pennies and going for the 16 instead of 15, cheating is not risk/reward efficient.
3) If you really need some stuff, just read it read it read before the exam. Get in and write it down immediately. It will ease your mind 
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Jan 2011 22:37 Post subject: |
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I did a course on artificial intelligence and cybernetics, published a paper on artificial intelligence and intelligent implants as well. I programmed a small robot in prolog that could follow me around and learn how to navigate it's environment.
Unfortunately my partner at the time who helped build the robot as he was doing mechanical engineering didn't account for level differentials, so it fell over when it wasn't on an entirely level plane - luckily I was only judged on the prolog programming.
I'd say that overall it's a very nice subject and if you cheat int it you'll be found out if you have to publish your source code.
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Jan 2011 22:49 Post subject: |
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people that cheats and then get a degree they know nothing about decrease the value of this degree
and for that i hate you
there's nothing better than the feeling of well deserved achievement
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Jan 2011 23:21 Post subject: |
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Hierofan
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Jan 2011 23:24 Post subject: |
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I mostly cheat cause well , i don't care , i hate what i started to study , i realised it when i was in my 2nd year so rather than kick those 2 previous years i played along , so why bother with something i dislike ? Only fucking idiots actually kill themselfs over shit they hate , so fuck them .
And personally , i don't care if it's 'the right thing to do' or not , the end result is always the main thing , i passed the exam , i graduated , so fuck those exams , and the way i passed them.
Even if i fucking loved the subject , i still wouldn't remember half the shit i studied (even if i ace'd my exams) since once i pass them , i flush out all the bullshit i learned , cause i studied for the fucking grade.
Yes ,160 pages isn't much , but reading 2 sentences 5 times and still not getting what the fuck he's trying to say is pretty bad . Over here is mostly theoretical shit since we lack equipment so we make it up through theory.
In Germany and Austria i know there are 3 years instead of 4 since they cut the bullshit subjects that you never use like Economics , Marketing and shit like that.
So , i study my ass off for something i never saw , never touched or worked on , know how it works 'in theory' but never got my hands dirty and do real work.
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Jan 2011 23:43 Post subject: |
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What you learn at Uni might not be the most important thing or vital to your continued career. However the way you learn and master these course, gain knowledge and learn how to question and deal with it is. And cheating you fail at both, you don't gain anything. Sure you might not like it and that is tough, but you are missing out on other vital parts of Uni education besides learning the pen-sum.
My 5 cents, besides that cheating sucks.
"Zipfero is the biggest fucking golddigger ever" - Mutantius
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Hierofan
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 09:07 Post subject: |
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I'm going on a limb here but .. i'm guessing that most of you anti cheaters never did it or were bad at it. Some colleagues of mine prefer to study for an exam rather than cheat at it cause well , they suck at cheating ,even if it would be easy to do it , they'd get lost and totally give themselfs away if they thought the prof. was on to them.
And yes , i'd pride myself if and when i finish college with the fact that i cheated myself through it and knew nothing from what i've studied.
fraich3 , i get what you're saying , the whole mentality and goal setting thing is true , but i'd rather work my ass of for something i know i'm invested in , something i really give a shit for.
I mean , i couldn't care less if would be expelled tommorow , the only regret i'd have was the money that would go down the drain that i haven't worked for.But other than that , nothing is keeping me here , only the desire to finish something i started.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 09:42 Post subject: |
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There are some cases where I condone cheating.
For instance I was being ms. goody two-shoes and decided not to cheat on my stupidly stupid STUPID test in microelectronics. And I failed ofc. While ppl who have >=4.5 GPA have cheated and have passed and will be rid of that stupid subject, while I will have to learn everything on stupid BJT, FET, MOSFET and other shit I'll NEVER use in my life -.-"
I was so pissed, because I wanted to cheat, but the night before I decided not to... idiot!
Anywho I don't condone cheating because for me, everything I learn (quantum mechanics, classical electrodynamics, statistical physics etc.) I'll use that (at least I hope I will  ), but some things that I really know I'll never use I'd cheat...
Altho I never cheated on uni... I let ppl copy my test (last year, my papers were like whores going from one person to other). This yr. things are different (smarter ppl)...
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 09:56 Post subject: |
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Studying just to to get he fucking degree is pointless - also means you're not gonna look for a job in that field. Great way to waste your time, money and get annoyed, only to end up with a worthless degree. In your 2nd year you should've just switched, with the right switch you would've maybe lost 6 months, if that. Now you'll probably end up either finding something else to study spending even more time "studying" or work in a completely different field, starting at the bottom of the foodchain.
The 6 months thing above isn't bullshit, because that's what I did. I switched from a 3-year study that would only give me a BSc degree with little to no practical knowledge, to a 4-year one that'll end up giving me a Master's degree. The former was a highly theoretical study that was boring as fuck, which is why I quit it. During my 2nd year (with just 1.5 years left for the BSc) I switched, was put into a special programme for switchers and still got my BSc a little less than a year later. My current study is fucking amazing, as anyone who's spoken to me about it will tell you ( @ garus) - I've worked with some huge companies, done loads of practical work, worked on a European project that had tens of millions of euros invested, and so on. I'll end up having spent a year longer studying than originally planned, but fuck me was it worth it. I've learned more in these 3 years than I ever would have if I continued at my original study + had gone for the MSc afterwards (for a grand total of 5 years).
As for the cheating, your trick of inserting cheatsheets in any pile of paper you're allowed to have will work fine. I did that in "high school" (not accurate with our educational system) with some "Life & Health" course. Retarded course, and I couldn't be bothered with it since it was just that one year anyway. Pulled that trick and aced it. Did help that I aced pretty much everything then though 
(For any Dutchies reading this: ik ben inderdaad van WO naar HBO "terug" gestapt, voor Technische Informatica of soortgelijke opleidingen is WO echt onzin, je leert geen zak daar. Leuk, je leert een hoop wiskunde en meta-programmeren, maar daadwerkelijk iets doen leer je niet. Zelfde wiskunde heb ik op HBO ook gekregen, alleen dan gekoppeld aan de praktijk.)
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 10:23 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | Studying just to to get he fucking degree is pointless - also means you're not gonna look for a job in that field. Great way to waste your time, money and get annoyed, only to end up with a worthless degree. In your 2nd year you should've just switched, with the right switch you would've maybe lost 6 months, if that. Now you'll probably end up either finding something else to study spending even more time "studying" or work in a completely different field, starting at the bottom of the foodchain.
The 6 months thing above isn't bullshit, because that's what I did. I switched from a 3-year study that would only give me a BSc degree with little to no practical knowledge, to a 4-year one that'll end up giving me a Master's degree. The former was a highly theoretical study that was boring as fuck, which is why I quit it. During my 2nd year (with just 1.5 years left for the BSc) I switched, was put into a special programme for switchers and still got my BSc a little less than a year later. My current study is fucking amazing, as anyone who's spoken to me about it will tell you ( @ garus) - I've worked with some huge companies, done loads of practical work, worked on a European project that had tens of millions of euros invested, and so on. I'll end up having spent a year longer studying than originally planned, but fuck me was it worth it. I've learned more in these 3 years than I ever would have if I continued at my original study + had gone for the MSc afterwards (for a grand total of 5 years).
As for the cheating, your trick of inserting cheatsheets in any pile of paper you're allowed to have will work fine. I did that in "high school" (not accurate with our educational system) with some "Life & Health" course. Retarded course, and I couldn't be bothered with it since it was just that one year anyway. Pulled that trick and aced it. Did help that I aced pretty much everything then though
(For any Dutchies reading this: ik ben inderdaad van WO naar HBO "terug" gestapt, voor Technische Informatica of soortgelijke opleidingen is WO echt onzin, je leert geen zak daar. Leuk, je leert een hoop wiskunde en meta-programmeren, maar daadwerkelijk iets doen leer je niet. Zelfde wiskunde heb ik op HBO ook gekregen, alleen dan gekoppeld aan de praktijk.) |
Well to be honest what were you expecting . WO has always been about the theoretical part of a study and what we Dutch call HBO(practical sciences) the practical part. In HBO you are the actual guy doing the work and building the design, while as the WO guy you would be part of the design and theoretical science. I'd say you could compare the WO study to exploration and the HBO study to actual colonization if you catch my drift.
Well Im glad youve found a study you like, it seems a rare thing nowadays.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 10:34 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 10:47 Post subject: |
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AI is fun.
Built a genetic algorithm that would train a "moon lander" vehicle to land on the surface without crashing (good angle, good speed, and exact position of the landing platform). The algorithm was in control of his thrusters(when to fire, which ones to fire and how long to fire) and would automatically converge on a solution without any human help. Also built another version of the program where a human could control the moon lander, just to see how hard it is to actually land it properly (and it was hard!). All backed by 3D visualization.
Also built a simple neural network that was trained by (another) GA. Number of entities were spawned each generation and their mission was to collect flags that appeared on the map. Only the ones that got the most flags got though to the next generation, where their genes where mixed in hope to find a better fit (and generate more entities). Eventually I'd have an entity knows how to find and reach the flags by using the neural network (meaning I never explicitly programmed that behavior into him).
But all that said, AI is a pretty simple field (especially compared to some others I encountered working as a game dev). I suggest you learn it.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 11:24 Post subject: |
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use a smart phone in offline mode, just load the word document in it, and scroll like a pro under the desk..
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Frant
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 13:15 Post subject: |
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| Hierofan wrote: | | And personally , i don't care if it's 'the right thing to do' or not , the end result is always the main thing , i passed the exam , i graduated , so fuck those exams , and the way i passed them. |
It says a lot about your character and personality. A chronic cheater is one that will take shortcuts everywhere in life and it will come back and bite you in the ass over and over. Obviously you've put yourself up to being judged as well.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 13:26 Post subject: |
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Ipod between the legs, never got caught, put shit in there in pdf format and with a good reader you can see everything and scroll easily.
There is one teacher that's really tough to cheat against, I usually look down and scroll when someone turns in their test or asks him a question so he gets distracted.
A friend taped his iphone to his ankle last time, his leg hurt afterwards it went numb because he was sitting like buda
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 13:53 Post subject: |
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@Werelds: so you got a Master's degree with your HBO education? How is that possible?
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 17:00 Post subject: |
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You have cheated on 90% of your exams?? Seriously? What a waste of time.
Switch majors, or drop out and take a trade and stop wasting your time.
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Hierofan
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 18:36 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | Hierofan wrote: | | And personally , i don't care if it's 'the right thing to do' or not , the end result is always the main thing , i passed the exam , i graduated , so fuck those exams , and the way i passed them. |
It says a lot about your character and personality. A chronic cheater is one that will take shortcuts everywhere in life and it will come back and bite you in the ass over and over. Obviously you've put yourself up to being judged as well. |
Not really , i usually take most things seriously and don't really cut corners.In this case as in others i won't feel any accomplishment at all so why not do it ? I'd hate to be a parasite and say cheat off someone and risk them getting fucked because of me , i'd rather do it to myself , and only myself rather than drag someone into it . It's just cowardly to blame and drag someone else into your own mess.
Also , you're missing the point :
Learn something that you'll forget.
Learn nothing you'll have nothing to forget. |
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 18:54 Post subject: |
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| Hierofan wrote: | | Learn something that you'll forget. |
If you plan to forget 90% of the classes you took, then you are probably in the wrong college... You learn things you plan to use for the rest of your life, and hopefully enjoy doing.
Most people that went to college with me are like that. Probably going to college only because their parents expect them to, or just chose a wrong one. Or their interests aren't the ones that can ever require a college degree.
In which case I noticed people just choose what "sounds best", and force through it just to get the degree. Then they find a job in that field and keep being unhappy at their job for the rest of their lives. (Or don't, in which case the degree was useless)
But when you consider the other option is to just follow your interests, that probably don't come with a college degree and a hefty salary, I'm not sure which is a better choice.
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Ankh
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 19:30 Post subject: |
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Cheating is just pathetic.
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 20:37 Post subject: |
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dude, if u spent half as much time learning the shit as u do figuring ways to cheat, you'd ace your exam 
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 20:43 Post subject: |
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Don't cheat. I learned it the hard way.
I cheated in my circuits class on numerous occasions but now it came back to bite me in the ass, when taking more complex courses
First of all, I don;t understand the old material plus I have no idea what is going on the new material we are covering..
Do yourself a huge favor, close facebook turn off PC & TV, even phone and learn the damn material..or you will pay for it later, like I did... I still struggle with the material but slowly going back-and-forth redoing all the problems in the books
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 23:40 Post subject: |
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Some people live by preference others by principle. The OP is the former... v0v
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Jan 2011 13:51 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | Some people live by preference others by principle. The OP is the former... v0v |
You think it's his preference to spend years on a course he hates and never really intends to apply to a career?
Haha, no, he is just another wreaking.
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