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mike-




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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 23:17    Post subject:
i can't possibly think thats entirely legit being that its less than half the price of the actual game? am i wrong?
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vespa




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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 23:18    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
ienni wrote:
I'd go for 20 bucks a game. since that would be a doable price for us gamers without having to worry about pirates.


You think dropping the price to 20 from 60 would somehow more than triple the number of people that'll buy the PC version? Surprised

You're looking at this from the wrong angle.

Drop the price to 1/3 might cut your profit, but at the same time you get more customers, say 3/4. And 3/4th customers is better than 1/3rd.

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me7




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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 23:29    Post subject:
Is there a reason why there are no Steam keys available on such stores, only EA downloader?
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stemot




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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 23:30    Post subject:
me7 wrote:
Is there a reason why there are no Steam keys available on such stores, only EA downloader?


Because it's a native EA Downloader game and does not require Steam to run.
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reking




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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 23:39    Post subject:
vespa wrote:
consolitis wrote:
ienni wrote:
I'd go for 20 bucks a game. since that would be a doable price for us gamers without having to worry about pirates.


You think dropping the price to 20 from 60 would somehow more than triple the number of people that'll buy the PC version? Surprised

You're looking at this from the wrong angle.

Drop the price to 1/3 might cut your profit, but at the same time you get more customers, say 3/4. And 3/4th customers is better than 1/3rd.

You failed math, didn't you?
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Raap




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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 23:44    Post subject:
reking wrote:
vespa wrote:
consolitis wrote:


You think dropping the price to 20 from 60 would somehow more than triple the number of people that'll buy the PC version? Surprised

You're looking at this from the wrong angle.

Drop the price to 1/3 might cut your profit, but at the same time you get more customers, say 3/4. And 3/4th customers is better than 1/3rd.

You failed math, didn't you?

Well, he's probably right in that it's better with three quarters of your customers than just a third. Uh wait, what does this even mean?
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consolitis
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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 23:51    Post subject:
I have no idea what he means. Very Happy

TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
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"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
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me7




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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 23:58    Post subject:
vespa wrote:
consolitis wrote:
ienni wrote:
I'd go for 20 bucks a game. since that would be a doable price for us gamers without having to worry about pirates.


You think dropping the price to 20 from 60 would somehow more than triple the number of people that'll buy the PC version? Surprised

You're looking at this from the wrong angle.

Drop the price to 1/3 might cut your profit, but at the same time you get more customers, say 3/4. And 3/4th customers is better than 1/3rd.


Let's calculate this: you have 12 customers, paying 45€ each which makes 540€ total. Now you drop the price to 1/3, making it 15€ and attract 3/4 of your previous customers, which makes 9.
9 * 15€ = 135€
lol wut I'M RICH!!!!!!!!!!!
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maul_inc




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:03    Post subject:
me7 wrote:
vespa wrote:
consolitis wrote:


You think dropping the price to 20 from 60 would somehow more than triple the number of people that'll buy the PC version? Surprised

You're looking at this from the wrong angle.

Drop the price to 1/3 might cut your profit, but at the same time you get more customers, say 3/4. And 3/4th customers is better than 1/3rd.


Let's calculate this: you have 12 customers, paying 45€ each which makes 540€ total. Now you drop the price to 1/3, making it 15€ and attract 3/4 of your previous customers, which makes 9.
9 * 15€ = 135€
lol wut I'M RICH!!!!!!!!!!!


But the Steam sales show that you would most likely gain 10 times (Maybe even more) as many customers, and thereby make even more profit than with the original price Cool

And in addition to the extra customers, you would also gain a few extra buys at full price in the wake of a big sale... At least that is what Gabe Newell have reported on several sales on Steam.

"Sometimes when you do things right, people are not sure you've done anything at all." -- God (Futurama)

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Divvy




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:06    Post subject:
That's what I thought, too. Steam sales have been increasing _profits_.
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tonizito
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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:06    Post subject:
me7 wrote:
lol wut I'M RICH!!!!!!!!!!!
Laughing Laughing Laughing

Pey wrote:
Don´t know what you mean, but i´m still using black ops (bought it from a russian site) and most (if not all) ea games keys are bound to EA download managed, not steam.
Some people (most likely a minority but still...) had some problems with some keys that they bought from a couple of online stores, especially with MW2 and BLOPS.
Plus, no way that this game is worth anything more than 15€.
IMO, of course.

And I'm really not looking forward to use EA downloader, thank you very much.

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Pey




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:09    Post subject:
No one uses EADM, pretty much everyone gets the game from a torrent - i guess.

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me7




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:10    Post subject:
maul_inc wrote:
me7 wrote:
vespa wrote:

You're looking at this from the wrong angle.

Drop the price to 1/3 might cut your profit, but at the same time you get more customers, say 3/4. And 3/4th customers is better than 1/3rd.


Let's calculate this: you have 12 customers, paying 45€ each which makes 540€ total. Now you drop the price to 1/3, making it 15€ and attract 3/4 of your previous customers, which makes 9.
9 * 15€ = 135€
lol wut I'M RICH!!!!!!!!!!!


But the Steam sales show that you would most likely gain 10 times (Maybe even more) as many customers, and thereby make even more profit than with the original price Cool

And in addition to the extra customers, you would also gain a few extra buys at full price in the wake of a big sale... At least that is what Gabe Newell have reported on several sales on Steam.


This is totally true, but you didn't read his post thoroughly.
He assumed that by lowering the price, the game would attract LESS customers and that he would make a BIGGER PROFIT with a LOWER PRICE and with LESS CUSTOMERS. Hence the stupid remarks Wink
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ienni




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:11    Post subject:
me7 wrote:
vespa wrote:
consolitis wrote:


You think dropping the price to 20 from 60 would somehow more than triple the number of people that'll buy the PC version? Surprised

You're looking at this from the wrong angle.

Drop the price to 1/3 might cut your profit, but at the same time you get more customers, say 3/4. And 3/4th customers is better than 1/3rd.


Let's calculate this: you have 12 customers, paying 45€ each which makes 540€ total. Now you drop the price to 1/3, making it 15€ and attract 3/4 of your previous customers, which makes 9.
9 * 15€ = 135€
lol wut I'M RICH!!!!!!!!!!!
yes and also a :Derp:

do you actually believe that people who could pay 60 euro.... would turn down an offer to buy the same quality but for 1/3 cheaper???

I don't f-in think so
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maul_inc




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:12    Post subject:
Pey wrote:
No one uses EADM, pretty much everyone gets the game from a torrent - i guess.


Btw. I got a [Multi3] release, and I thought that I could just deselect the Non English movies, but that didn't sit well with the installer. No worries, I'll just get those 750mb anyway.

"Sometimes when you do things right, people are not sure you've done anything at all." -- God (Futurama)
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ienni




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:12    Post subject:
me7 wrote:
maul_inc wrote:
me7 wrote:


Let's calculate this: you have 12 customers, paying 45€ each which makes 540€ total. Now you drop the price to 1/3, making it 15€ and attract 3/4 of your previous customers, which makes 9.
9 * 15€ = 135€
lol wut I'M RICH!!!!!!!!!!!


But the Steam sales show that you would most likely gain 10 times (Maybe even more) as many customers, and thereby make even more profit than with the original price Cool

And in addition to the extra customers, you would also gain a few extra buys at full price in the wake of a big sale... At least that is what Gabe Newell have reported on several sales on Steam.


This is totally true, but you didn't read his post thoroughly.
He assumed that by lowering the price, the game would attract LESS customers and that he would make a BIGGER PROFIT with a LOWER PRICE and with LESS CUSTOMERS. Hence the stupid remarks Wink

did you actually get hit with derpstick???

he said 3/4 is better then 1/3

now recalculate.


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maul_inc




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:13    Post subject:
me7 wrote:
maul_inc wrote:
me7 wrote:


Let's calculate this: you have 12 customers, paying 45€ each which makes 540€ total. Now you drop the price to 1/3, making it 15€ and attract 3/4 of your previous customers, which makes 9.
9 * 15€ = 135€
lol wut I'M RICH!!!!!!!!!!!


But the Steam sales show that you would most likely gain 10 times (Maybe even more) as many customers, and thereby make even more profit than with the original price Cool

And in addition to the extra customers, you would also gain a few extra buys at full price in the wake of a big sale... At least that is what Gabe Newell have reported on several sales on Steam.


This is totally true, but you didn't read his post thoroughly.
He assumed that by lowering the price, the game would attract LESS customers and that he would make a BIGGER PROFIT with a LOWER PRICE and with LESS CUSTOMERS. Hence the stupid remarks Wink


Ahh! I see Smile Well that would surely be a first Laughing

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ienni




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:17    Post subject:
btw I got my key from OKS for 25 euro and activated it just now in EA Download Manager.

activated alot of keys in there from oks or g2p
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stemot




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:17    Post subject:
ienni wrote:
btw I got my key from OKS for 25 euro and activated it just now in EA Download Manager.

activated alot of keys in there from oks or g2p


What? You can play now?
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ienni




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:18    Post subject:
btw per example

OKS has 1,810 likes people.

let's say 1/3 of them wants Dead space 2.

25 euro a piece..

25 * 600 = 15 K

I'M RICH
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consolitis
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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:19    Post subject:
maul_inc wrote:
But the Steam sales show that you would most likely gain 10 times (Maybe even more) as many customers, and thereby make even more profit than with the original price Cool


That's because a product gets a Steam sale, after several months have passed since the release of the game and everyone that wanted to buy it for full price has already bought it. So now you go after those that didn't want to buy it for full price. Maybe they want to buy it for half the price? Next you go after those that wouldn't buy it unless it's dirt cheap, like 10$ or so, etc.

Launching for 20$ would be a very bad mistake because you'd only get 20$ from those that were willing to pay 60$. If Valve, who have gathered an impressive amount of data on how sales on Steam work, doesn't do it for their products (Portal 2 is set to launch for 50$), then it's guaranteed that it's not worth to try it.

TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY

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ienni




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:19    Post subject:
stemot wrote:
ienni wrote:
btw I got my key from OKS for 25 euro and activated it just now in EA Download Manager.

activated alot of keys in there from oks or g2p


What? You can play now?


not the correct release date.
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maul_inc




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:21    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
maul_inc wrote:
But the Steam sales show that you would most likely gain 10 times (Maybe even more) as many customers, and thereby make even more profit than with the original price Cool


That's because a product gets a Steam sale, after several months have passed since the release of the game and everyone that wanted to buy it for full price has already bought it. So now you go after those that didn't want to buy it for full price. Maybe they want to buy it for half the price? Next you go after those that wouldn't buy it unless it's dirt cheap, like 10$ or so, etc.

Launching for 20$ would be a very bad mistake because you'd only get 20$ from those that were willing to pay 60$. If Valve, who have gathered an impressive amount of data on how sales on Steam work, doesn't do it for their products (Portal 2 is set to launch for 50$), then it's guaranteed that it's not worth to try it.


Hmm, that makes sense, didn't think about that, thx for enlighting us Smile

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ienni




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:24    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
maul_inc wrote:
But the Steam sales show that you would most likely gain 10 times (Maybe even more) as many customers, and thereby make even more profit than with the original price Cool


That's because a product gets a Steam sale, after several months have passed since the release of the game and everyone that wanted to buy it for full price has already bought it. So now you go after those that didn't want to buy it for full price. Maybe they want to buy it for half the price? Next you go after those that wouldn't buy it unless it's dirt cheap, like 10$ or so, etc.

Launching for 20$ would be a very bad mistake because you'd only get 20$ from those that were willing to pay 60$. If Valve, who have gathered an impressive amount of data on how sales on Steam work, doesn't do it for their products (Portal 2 is set to launch for 50$), then it's guaranteed that it's not worth to try it.


yes and also Steam europe screws over the europeans for selling it for 50 euro...

and not 42 euro which is bout 50 bucks... incl. VAT
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ienni




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:29    Post subject:
LOLZ I got it to work thanks to JB's exe file xD
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Mikey5449
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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:38    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
... If Valve, who have gathered an impressive amount of data on how sales on Steam work, doesn't do it for their products (Portal 2 is set to launch for 50$), then it's guaranteed that it's not worth to try it.

This. It's essentially because they can.
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vespa




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:50    Post subject:
ienni wrote:
he said 3/4 is better then 1/3

now recalculate.

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BKarza




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:50    Post subject:
ienni wrote:
LOLZ I got it to work thanks to JB's exe file xD

Splain....

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Gvaz




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:51    Post subject:
ienni wrote:
LOLZ I got it to work thanks to JB's exe file xD


Steps? Is it just replacing the exe or is there any other garbage?
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tonizito
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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 00:55    Post subject:
ienni probably meant the release date check, I think that he has the legit version but was stuck with that.

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