What does had had mean?
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cleetus
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PostPosted: Sun, 23rd Jan 2011 21:55    Post subject: What does had had mean?
Is it diffrent from has had?
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PostPosted: Sun, 23rd Jan 2011 22:07    Post subject:
What the shit are you talking about? o.O


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PostPosted: Sun, 23rd Jan 2011 22:13    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sun, 23rd Jan 2011 22:14    Post subject:
I'll give it a shot.. Smile
Has is present tense, had is is past tense. So "has had" is used like "he has had a good year". Ie, in the present you can look back into the past and see that he had a good year.
Had had are both past tense. An example of "had had" is "if he had had a break, he would have suceeded". You look back into the past, and from there you judge that he could have succeeded if he'd had a break, also in the past. In the first example you start in the present, in the second you start in the past. They're usually abbreviated "he's had" and "he'd had" though.

edit: not sure of the names of the tenses (if that's even a word) in english.. so I probably mixed it up a bit. But the examples still stand, I'm pretty sure of that at least. Wink


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PostPosted: Sun, 23rd Jan 2011 22:14    Post subject:
ask the mad hadder
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PostPosted: Mon, 24th Jan 2011 01:39    Post subject:
8ball wrote:
ask the mad hadder

If only he had had a proper hat.
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PostPosted: Mon, 24th Jan 2011 02:02    Post subject:
'has had' - present perfect tense. 'He's had a good a life since childhood.' - he started having/living a good life when he was a little boy (at an unspecified point in time of that period) and continues to this present day to do so.

'had had' (not so widely spread/used unlike only a 'had' being chosen) - past perfect tense. 'He had had (a single 'had' is of a more appropriate use here) a good life until he lost his wife.' - he started having/living a good life (again at an unspecified point in time) and that action discontinued up during the time his wife past away. The action being described by the 'had had a good life' has an unestablished start in the past and an indefinite span in the past time. It has a similar application as the present perfect tense only with the slightest trait of being applied before a single occurrence in the past of another event.

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PostPosted: Mon, 24th Jan 2011 02:32    Post subject: Re: What does had had mean?
cleetus wrote:
Is it diffrent from has had?


You've been reading too many quotes from pissed up people.
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PostPosted: Mon, 24th Jan 2011 02:46    Post subject: Re: What does had had mean?
Nalo wrote:
Theescapist wrote:
cleetus wrote:
Is it diffrent from has had?


You've been reading too many quotes from pissed up people.


why? Seems like normal English to me

Maybe if you have a stutter Razz
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PostPosted: Mon, 24th Jan 2011 03:30    Post subject:
Been had bitches.


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PostPosted: Mon, 24th Jan 2011 17:02    Post subject:
I think it is bad English but I could be wrong

I think should read:

If she had a shake weight, she could've gained the skills necessary for promotion.

Unfortunately she has had no training in the art of shake weight. She is useless.
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PostPosted: Mon, 24th Jan 2011 17:08    Post subject:
No, it's perfectly valid English Smile

Past perfect tense like human_steel says, or plus quam perfectum for Latin (I think that's it anyway, been 6 years since my last Latin class Razz). It's not that uncommon really, although funny that a Brit would be the one to not know it *points at theescapist*.
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PostPosted: Mon, 24th Jan 2011 17:17    Post subject:
And I thought German was hard and confusing at times.
Nah, German is still way more confusing than english can ever be Very Happy


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PostPosted: Mon, 24th Jan 2011 17:18    Post subject:
"have had" is the Present Perfect Tense, describes an ongoing action.
"had had" is the Past Perfect Tense, the action has already occurred.

english no speaky , si ?


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PostPosted: Mon, 24th Jan 2011 18:39    Post subject: Re: What does had had mean?
Theescapist wrote:
Nalo wrote:
Theescapist wrote:


You've been reading too many quotes from pissed up people.


why? Seems like normal English to me

Maybe if you have a stutter Razz

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PostPosted: Mon, 24th Jan 2011 19:30    Post subject:
Hierofan wrote:
"have had" is the Present Perfect Tense, describes an ongoing action.
"had had" is the Past Perfect Tense, the action has already occurred.

english no speaky , si ?

Actually..
Present perfect doesn't have to be ongoing: I have eaten = present perfect, finished action. I think? :E

Past perfect describes an action that occurred before another action in the past; the past's past Razz
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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 14:48    Post subject:
wtf "had had" do i stutter mutha fucka!
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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 15:37    Post subject:
Funny how so many British folk (who like to boast ownership of the English language) have no clue of their language. lol wut

I had not had such a tasty cake before I attended my friend's birthday party last week.

Sound perfectly fine to me. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 16:20    Post subject:
snoop1050 wrote:
wtf "had had" do i stutter mutha fucka!


lol wut
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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 16:20    Post subject:
From the shattering which im currently reading (Yes, i love warcraft lore)

"But Drek’Thar would not be brushed aside, not with the vision he had had."

"There had been other, lesser visions, all equally imaginary. And now this. Surely if the threat was real, others than Drek’Thar would be aware of it.
Palkar was not an inexperienced shaman himself, and he had had no such forebodings."

At least 2 quick examples i've stumbled upon.
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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 16:27    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Funny how so many British folk (who like to boast ownership of the English language) have no clue of their language. lol wut

Oh but this is even a relatively obscure situation.

How often do you see one that doesn't know the difference between they're, there and their? Very Happy
It annoys me to bits as well, because I actually have to sort of read "out loud" in my head, since a lot of Brits type stuff phonetically. All because they're too lazy to spell it properly.

No offence to any Brits here, but the few we have here that take time to spell properly are the exceptions to the rule Razz

It's just as bad with most Americans for the record, but they can't even spell colour properly Smug
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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 16:41    Post subject:
Or defense. Also what is it with pronouncing Z as Cee. Z is clearly Zed. Even the US military spells out loud with Zed as Cee makes no sense.
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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 16:43    Post subject:
US military also says near miss when something misses a aircraft or whatever.
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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 16:44    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
iNatan wrote:
Funny how so many British folk (who like to boast ownership of the English language) have no clue of their language. lol wut

Oh but this is even a relatively obscure situation.

How often do you see one that doesn't know the difference between they're, there and their? Very Happy:


DEAR GOD THIS, I'm one occurrence away from mounting a punching bag next to the display so I can unleash my rage each time that happens Mad
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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 16:51    Post subject:
But Mussolinka, their is no reason to do that. There just too lazy to do it properly, no reason to punch they're avatars.

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I could go on and on with these retarded mistakes, and it's not even as if you can pinpoint it to a part of the UK, it's spread throughout. And no, it's not "slang" or shortening shit for the web, it's just bad spelling

Happens here in NL too though, so many people I see posting in Dutch with fucking aweful spelling and/or grammar. Also usually the people that are from one of the "upper" provinces (North/South Holland - no, Holland is not a country damn you) who ridicule people from the southern part of the country (like me, and damn proud of it! Very Happy) for our soft g when we speak Dutch. Shame you can't spell properly, suckers :E
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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 16:56    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 17:03    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
No offence to any Brits here, but the few we have here that take time to spell properly are the exceptions to the rule Razz

Offense, offense - if they can't be arsed to type properly, and it's offensive to me to have to put up wit this shit, then they should also be offended by our displease of their bad writing. By all means, get offended. Embarassed

And we still haven't touched on the retard-speak (aka any of WaldoJ's posts from the last year), which are an insult on just about anyone's intelligence, including JaldoW himself. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 17:08    Post subject:
garus wrote:
After so many years of learning English grammar in school, it's mind-blowing to see a native English speaker write "their" instead of "they're" Laughing

It seems as foreigners learn more English in school than natives Razz


Yes this, but don't forget that natives do have a larger vocabulary than you can get in a school.
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