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 Posted: Wed, 8th Dec 2010 19:17 Post subject: [OTHER] The younger generation and video games expectations |
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Ok im in my early 30's and currently own an xbox 360 that I use as part of destressing after a hard days work. My first computer was a spectrum 48k with the rubber keys and then an c64, atari St before moving to a n64, ps1 etc etc
I mainly play sport games such as FIFA, PES and its this debate each year that got me thinking.
Games have developed unbelievabley over the past few years but it seems that the younger generation or the ones starting out in next gen era just dont appreciate how good these games are. They complain about the most trivia things such as dynamic weather, a stripe missing off messi's boot, the ripple of the net as the ball hits it..i mean some of it is stupid. Its as if they look for all the faults instead of just enjoying the game for what it is..a game
Im not defending game developers as some do over promise.
However quite frankly kids these days dont know how good they have it
Any thoughts?
/End rant
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Dec 2010 19:22 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Dec 2010 19:40 Post subject: |
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Even worse than the kids are the grown ups. Gameplay has evolved so far that developers have a difficult time to reinvent the wheel and push the boundaries even further so a lot of older gamers whine about the "death of gaming" because they're too busy to dream about perfect games to enjoy gaming. Their rants are usually welcome in this section, but yours apparently isn't. You are flagged a consoletard - FOR ETERNITY.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Dec 2010 20:04 Post subject: |
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well the above poster foes have a point. Ive come across a bit bitchy but what i really wanted was some kind of discussion. There has to be a point as we edge towards "realism" where you cant go any further. And it seems the current sports fan wants realism
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Dec 2010 22:36 Post subject: |
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AW was repetitive pos imho, the only thing that was good in it was the storyline, dumbed down gfx just added oil to the fire, if game is great i don't care how low res it will look, i still play old games like sega games etc, but when game has way too many flaws especially gt5 that was developed for ages and came out half-ass i just can't be bothered with it, i actually was ready to update to new fw just to play it but after trying in friends ps3 i got one big disappoint
so yeah, considering that pc's atm 5x more powerful than consoles and we get shitty ports without aa or even worse looking games than on the consoles i can understand ppl's frustration
what i really don't understand is ppl who buy each year newly generated version of fifa's and other sport games, which i hate really
and for the record i'm over 30, so 
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Dec 2010 23:17 Post subject: |
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There's a lot of ignorance going around nowadays, like a fucking plague. Apparently the youth are most susceptible to it considering how absolutely fucking retarded and stupid most of them act. Maybe it's bad parenting, shitty schooling, too much exposure to it via the internet, etc. Who knows?
When I start reading those types of dumb ass comments or articles I just stop and skip to the next one. I'm 33 and I know what I grew up with. I remember looking at the box art for Intellivision and Atari games and always feeling ripped off after playing them. I would invite those people whining about stupid shit like net animations to play the 2600 version of "Basketball".
To sound like our parents, the truth is they really don't know how good they have it and the sad part is most of them are too stupid to ever realize it. There's nothing wrong with wanting something better. We should always strive for more and only settle when necessary, but to miss the whole experience over stupid minute details like bad shadows or a jagged edge or that animation isn't quite realistic enough or what the fuck ever... let them miss out on it. Ignore their stupid asses man. The only person they are depriving of anything is their own self.
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grimmmy
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Dec 2010 23:46 Post subject: |
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I've mixed feelings on this subject.
I'm 30 and went through a similar route of gaming (i.e spectrum, nes, amiga, pc -> consoles)
I love the old games, but purely as they were my childhood. I play most old games now and realise how shit they really were. Have you played Dizzy recently? Don't bother. The only ones that stood the test of time are the ones that have been remade (i.e. Monkey Island, Afterburner, Alien Breed, Speed Ball 2, etc). Sure there's a few more ,I'd love to see chaos engine remade with co-op or Jet Set Willy in full HD.
The thing is, my tastes have changed and I know far more about software development than before (well, I'm a programmer so I should do). I moan my arse off when games aren't perfect. A 5 year development cycle on any software is huge especially when it's hanging off 2 to 3 engines. If something with a large team of people isn't perfect, or even close to (yes GT5 I'm glaring at you) then something went wrong, badly wrong. It might be tools, hardware limitations, experience, initial goals or general management but that length of time on 1 project is obscene especially when the companies PR/Marketting/hype machine has obviously worked overtime.
I wonder if the original question should actually be reversed. Do the older generation know how good stuff is because a) we're used to shit therefore we'll settle with shit rolled in glitter and b) we're easier to please because of point a.
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Mantis2K9
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Dec 2010 11:18 Post subject: |
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I have been playing games since I could stand on a crate to reach the joystick and my first console was a binatone.
I think gamers should expect more from games.
I remember the old days of games, good back then, more nostalgia now.
I remember when arcade conversertions were poor in comparison to the actual product.
Now the games console killed the arcade off.
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Dec 2010 17:30 Post subject: |
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@grimmy
first off - shit rolled in glitter hahahahahah that's going in my book man. hilarious.
i think the younger generation whining about stupid details doesn't really make it shit rolled in glitter. there's a post on the xbox forums right now on the ACB section where some idiot is complaining about how the sky looks. i think we (older gamers) can be or are more appreciative of what's out there now thanks to our roots. no doubt most of the shit we came up playing is no where near as great as we remember it being, COMPARED to what's out there today. for instance i recall spending a lot of time playing the rocky horror picture show on my c64. at 8 or so yrs old it took me a while to beat that considering i didn't know what the hell the game was about. it was fun and challenging but if i went back and played it now it probably couldn't hold my attention for longer than a few minutes. in fact if i'm being honest i wouldn't even go to the trouble of trying to play it. it's better as a memory.
granted there is a lot of "shit rolled in glitter" out there. medal of honor comes to mind. and like you mentioned, if a game is in development for 5 years and has millions thrown at it then there really shouldn't be any bugs but i sometimes wonder how often the general public confuses a bug with limitations, be they hardware of software or just lack of experience, etc.
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2010 08:38 Post subject: |
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| killabyte wrote: | @grimmy
first off - shit rolled in glitter hahahahahah that's going in my book man. hilarious.
i think the younger generation whining about stupid details doesn't really make it shit rolled in glitter. there's a post on the xbox forums right now on the ACB section where some idiot is complaining about how the sky looks. i think we (older gamers) can be or are more appreciative of what's out there now thanks to our roots. no doubt most of the shit we came up playing is no where near as great as we remember it being, COMPARED to what's out there today. for instance i recall spending a lot of time playing the rocky horror picture show on my c64. at 8 or so yrs old it took me a while to beat that considering i didn't know what the hell the game was about. it was fun and challenging but if i went back and played it now it probably couldn't hold my attention for longer than a few minutes. in fact if i'm being honest i wouldn't even go to the trouble of trying to play it. it's better as a memory.
granted there is a lot of "shit rolled in glitter" out there. medal of honor comes to mind. and like you mentioned, if a game is in development for 5 years and has millions thrown at it then there really shouldn't be any bugs but i sometimes wonder how often the general public confuses a bug with limitations, be they hardware of software or just lack of experience, etc. |
Having worked on a couple of projects I know what its like.
Yes they should be bug free, but then that will never happen, even silly bugs slip the net.
The only thing I would say I notice more these days is how lazy the companies have gotten more in not fixing little bugs they know they can update 99% of users online.
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Well, I'm 35, started playing games on ZX Spectrum in 1983 (rubber keyboard, Hungry Horace games etc.). I don't miss "the old times" at all. Games were more difficult, but often in artificial way - to make simple gameplay last longer. Anyone tried to play Manic Miner lately? It's a sorry mess, and it used to be a cult hit game.
And if you want complexity, you can always play Europa Universalis or one of myriad "pro" wargames (I love strategy games) - they are 100x more complex than they used to be in the 90s. And I don't even talk about graphics...
Too bad I have so little time to play games. 30 min a day max. So I have a long, long list of very good RPG and strategy games I don't even started to play, because I know I can't possibly finish them. Heck, I try to finish latest Fire Emblem (on Wii emulator actually) for 5 or 6 months and I'm only in 3rd chapter 
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Dec 2010 19:29 Post subject: |
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I'm always wanting the next bigger and better game.
Recently i've been firing up some old games I used to play as a youngster, playing them now, I find them pretty bad or at best crude, both on the eye and in game mechanics. I can still appreciate them and remember how much fun I had playing them at the time but to do it again now?. No way. My expectations change as games evolve.
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Mantis2K9
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Dec 2010 02:10 Post subject: |
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| adaml75 wrote: | Well, I'm 35, started playing games on ZX Spectrum in 1983 (rubber keyboard, Hungry Horace games etc.). I don't miss "the old times" at all. Games were more difficult, but often in artificial way - to make simple gameplay last longer. Anyone tried to play Manic Miner lately? It's a sorry mess, and it used to be a cult hit game.
And if you want complexity, you can always play Europa Universalis or one of myriad "pro" wargames (I love strategy games) - they are 100x more complex than they used to be in the 90s. And I don't even talk about graphics...
Too bad I have so little time to play games. 30 min a day max. So I have a long, long list of very good RPG and strategy games I don't even started to play, because I know I can't possibly finish them. Heck, I try to finish latest Fire Emblem (on Wii emulator actually) for 5 or 6 months and I'm only in 3rd chapter |
I had the one before that too, the ZX81 remember the 1K upgrade lol, some games were classice back in the speccy days like Head over heels and atic attack and gauntlet kept me going for many many hours.
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