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 Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 13:39 Post subject: Starchild Skull |
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So there is a few people here if i remember that know a bit of dna/geneology and so forth or at least dabbled in areas with it..
Was watching youtube last night on a recent upload of Lloyd pye's findings ( live audience etc ) where he finaly after years got some more info back from tests with this titbit on the male part of the dna testing,
"To have recovered a string of base pairs 342 nucleotides long with NO reference in the NIH database is astounding because it means there is NO known earthly corollary for what has been analyzed!"
There was a few people that had posted reply to the people that uploaded this to youtube, with some rather nasty bickering going on lol, and threats and all sorts and mentions of "you have been reported to remove this video series" I have only just seen that it exists and this morning its gone no more big sign "removed by user" etc...
its a shame cause i dont know if the 9 links are alive anywhere else i cant find them and im sure they will be uploaded again just know it if someone has saved it out..
I dont know the guy or his work but he seems to be prof in his work which is more human mapping and existence for many years..
might find snipets of the vid on the main site for the project,
http://www.starchildproject.com/dna.htm
if you type Lloyd Pye into youtube and search by latest uploaded you should see the pulled vid list i think..
was interesting watch and more so when at link 8 and 9.. trouble is does he have a point here with the no return from millions of checked shit on the database known to man or beast lol, or could it be a fuck up of the sample...
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 15:30 Post subject: |
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I haven't read much about it, but it seems interesting. The 'malformations' of the skull are strange and too 'good' to be coincidental imo. As for the nucleotide sequence, strange again.
But, the strangest thing is that this Pye guy does not use other, independent labs, to confirm his result. Apparently he does not trust that other labs will "give good results". That's the strangest thing a true scientist can say. There are no good or bad results, only results. While repeating the test over and over again in your own lab is nice and actually required, it doesn't mean much. So untill this is confirmed by several other labs, I'll remain sceptic.
PS. asking for donations to do more tests also seems fishy to me. Could be common practice, though I never heard of it.
disclaimer: the text written above is based on reading some articles a couple of weeks ago and might be total bs.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 16:52 Post subject: |
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I understand the donations part, its the only bit that really makes me wonder.. ud really need to see the live viewing of the findings, he does use labs btw of good standing, as far as i can tell they were all independent and not his own tools or people etc. And has searched for many it seems to get the freebee tests, dunno though but its bloody annoying the vids were pulled off the tube... fucking crazy..
He wants a lab that can do the full test of the "loaf of bread" as he puts it to become completely conclusive so they cant say hey u only cut a slice here and ok nothing can be found on earth to match but we want more, they always want more i guess
ill keep eye out on utube to see if someone manages to up them again.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 21:53 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 22:24 Post subject: |
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Yeah read his stuff on wackipedia as he calls them and all the waffling about how they are not a factual base of information..
starchild wiki page
"This page was last modified on 25 October 2010 at 17:55."
The cradle boarding is interesting idea, put the skull with a cradle board and notice the angle the head would be at, the angle is alot different by miles due to the shape of the head to start with, the kid would of had a broken neck.. the skull also doesnt have the nodule at the back where the cerebral whatever it is sits in that protective angular bone shape at the base of the skull, that would mean it would just drop out? lol's. Also the skull I believe was completely void of any sinus areas. That would mean no speech tone to the voice :O
Anyhow its a great little mystery, I like the fact the wiki page was updated from whatever just a handful of hours after the vids of his latest info and meetings with public "in rich areas" might I add was pulled from utube..
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 22:57 Post subject: |
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I was under the impression the tests were done under his supervision by his chosen employees. That's not confirmation, even though teh locations used might vary. I might be misinformed though.
As for Wikipedia, I actually agree with this Pye guy. Wikipedia is biased, one should never go with Wikipedia blindly.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 23:10 Post subject: |
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wiki lists two dna tests that both came up with human dna. Him, doing one AGAIN to find something different looks very much like "confirmation bias" to say the least. Saying that wiki is biased just so you can still make the skull into an alien specimen, when there are perfectly normal explanations like medical issues around, seems very much like wishful thinking as well.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 23:11 Post subject: |
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My comment was a general one, wikipedia IS biased. I didn't read the article about this starchild.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 23:16 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | My comment was a general one, wikipedia IS biased. I didn't read the article about this starchild. |
wikipedia is a system where everybody can get involved. If it is anything, it is biased towards cautionary objectivity (and maybe also biased towards deleting awesome geeky articles). It is a generalization that says nothing about the facts at hand and using it to discredit the facts reported there is somewhat ignorant, especially if you havent even read the article. I dont want to say that what wiki says is fact either, but if wiki paints a completely different picture than "woah, its Teh ALIENS", i d be cautionary. |
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 23:23 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | | wiki lists two dna tests that both came up with human dna. Him, doing one AGAIN to find something different looks very much like "confirmation bias" to say the least. Saying that wiki is biased just so you can still make the skull into an alien specimen, when there are perfectly normal explanations like medical issues around, seems very much like wishful thinking as well. |
He has done no tests himself, and has not stated so, according to the vid's, pain about the vid's it takes u through his early testing with people he got to do it and the shadyness of it all to his latest where a couple of guys with new kit and ability to offer the service ( i cant even go and get the fucking names now, due to pulled vid's ) but they are independent and not dodgy nobodies...
Either way the females dna is there, and easily pulled the males pulled returns nothing on the database known to man at this time.. The initial people that did the test on it told him its not going to be easy to pull the info due to the pico being 200 or so marks, so that was an issue at the time due to technology, trouble is they reported that the male dna was there and they said human even with them saying its so low they cant get much reading on it or at all..
Dunno, anyhow later on with better kit for the job, they find that the male Dna is there was easily extracted and shows nothing on the charts and database with what they have today known as human or animal or plant etc..
What is interesting is the strength testing on the skull, how its half the thickness and twice as strong than human bone, and the testing on the compounds show complete gaps between two areas, not to mention so called fiber found in the bone.. Again odd and interesting |
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Oct 2010 00:01 Post subject: |
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Looks very interesting, wish I knew more about this stuff so I could come up with a proper conclusion, but for now for me it looks like it's actually possible what he's saying...
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Oct 2010 00:10 Post subject: |
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I'm surprised that the scientists haven't figured it out yet, because the explanation is in fact very simple:
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Oct 2010 00:16 Post subject: |
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that was the first thing i thought of, hahaha
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Oct 2010 00:17 Post subject: |
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oh my!! runs for the hills....
they should change the name though from child to adult, cause the teeth were as far as i remember from vid's checked with the wear on them and it was in line with a middle age adult in 30's or so if i remember rightly...
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Oct 2010 04:34 Post subject: |
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Seen plenty of TV shows on the thing, and done enough reading to know that it is the skull of a child from peoples that practice that weird thing where they tie like boards on the babies heads to shape their skulls. The ancient people from that area of the Earth where they discovered that skull were known for doing this as well.
Usually the simplist answer is the right one. The number of DNA tests showing that it is a human skull show this. His own 'private' DNA test proves nothing. It is him manipulating the data to fit his theory.
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Oct 2010 09:25 Post subject: |
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"Usually the simplist answer is the right one. The number of DNA tests showing that it is a human skull show this. His own 'private' DNA test proves nothing. It is him manipulating the data to fit his theory."
I know u put it in ' ' but one should use the testing in private lightly cause he does not have testing equipment himself... therefor you could be stating that the professionals that use the tools to do so are all in on a scam also
Occam's razor? that good old saying used when people in science dont want to know.
Regarding head boarding again, yeah was common, usually an infant was bound by string or fabric to a board with the head facing forward, the angle of sight horizontal and the neck slightly raised to make breathing easy and unobstructed.
But if we rotate the Starchild's skull to align with the flat area of the skull we see that the eyes look down and, the neck is tilted in such a way that the airway would be blocked.
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Oct 2010 09:45 Post subject: |
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The DNA show's it's human, so what's the big deal?
The kid born 900+-40 yrs ago with severe deformity would not live long...
I don't get all the commotion. Some dude claimed it to be 'alien'  so we should all just say: it's alien...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Oct 2010 10:09 Post subject: |
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The shape of the skull could be caused by head boarding, but that doesn't explain the thickness of the bones, different chemical structure of the bones, lack of sinus cavities, weird fibers found inside the bones, and bone marrow remains(that would completely dissapear by now, were they human).
The DNA that was found is mitochondrial, and contains only the dna of the mother.
The guy claims they managed to extract nuclear dna, and it contains basepairs unknown to any being on the earth.
I'm sure they're plenty of other explanations, but as far as alien theories go, this one has me intrigued.
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Oct 2010 10:14 Post subject: |
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| dingo_d wrote: | | The DNA show's it's human, so what's the big deal? |
where does it show that? is that because someone told you so?  |
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Oct 2010 10:32 Post subject: |
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When several different labs will have some interesting things to show maybe then it'll intrigue me. So far this is as interesting as any cover from those Alien magazines...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Oct 2010 11:00 Post subject: |
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"The picture only supports my theory, not degrade it. The fact that this child died at such a young age should alarm you as well."
30 to 40 a young age? you are obviously not reading or finding out about it, and just going off the it says "child" in the naming...
This was initially the case when found due to its size, but teeth show its got the wear and use of a middle aged person.
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Oct 2010 11:04 Post subject: |
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| dingo_d wrote: | | When several different labs will have some interesting things to show maybe then it'll intrigue me. So far this is as interesting as any cover from those Alien magazines... |
this is another reason i wanted to show the vid's really it has the test results from a few different times it was managed to get done, plus the latest. You dont find the spec graphs/test results of the bone interesting? |
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Oct 2010 22:31 Post subject: |
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anybody who is making money from a supposedly weird deformed specimen and calling it special isnt making you doubt his sincerity?
It's like circus-attraction 101.
Sure, the possibility of alien artefacts on earth is awesome, but why adopt blind belief, just because you might like the conclusion? Thats confirmation bias 101.
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Oct 2010 22:35 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | anybody who is making money from a supposedly weird deformed specimen and calling it special isnt making you doubt his sincerity?
It's like circus-attraction 101.
Sure, the possibility of alien artefacts on earth is awesome, but why adopt blind belief, just because you might like the conclusion? Thats confirmation bias 101. |
its not blind belief if one would like to see a full dna on all pairs etc right? I said its interesting and commented enough about the way he seems to want dosh at times, or rather hes been going around rich rich country areas doing little demo's asking for anyone that might be loaded to get interested and help him out..
That does make me suspicious anything does when a yank does this and has tons of websites on it but none the less shame someone wont just go hey fuck give it here we do it free and then ill post real solid findings and that will be that..
Todays tech will no doubt put it to sleep... I guess people are not wanting to waste time on it |
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Oct 2010 22:55 Post subject: |
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maybe people already did and he turned em down, because they might not give him the right results, who knows? The mystery and possibility is what's driving the whole thing imho
i d still love to see some hard evidence from the ancient astronaut theory people for alien visits in human history. I doubt that this is it though
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Oct 2010 22:15 Post subject: |
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| BearishSun wrote: |
The DNA that was found is mitochondrial, and contains only the dna of the mother.
The guy claims they managed to extract nuclear dna, and it contains basepairs unknown to any being on the earth.
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You really don't understand how DNA works at all do you. If the mitochondrial DNA is human, then even if the organism is allopolyploid, it must be producing exclusively terrestrial amino acids for protein synthesis to function correctly and the zygote to be viable. This is without even considering compatible chromosomes.
There can't be any of this "unknown to any being on earth" bullshit because the organism simply wouldn't exist. There would have to be recognised codons within the DNA of the father, even if the polypeptide was an entirely unique sequence. So therefore the nucleotides would have to be ones that are familiar to scientists. What is he claiming these 'unknown' base pairs consist of chemically?
It's all just a load of fucking nonsense designed to elicit the imagination of the scientifically illiterate and squeeze some money out of them. Jebus there are so many of these shitty 'mystery' things where someone is trying to get money out of morons you would have thought people would have learnt by now.
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Oct 2010 22:30 Post subject: |
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I'm not gonna pretend I know much about it, and I don't, duh, not even sure why are you assuming anyone here does, it's a laymans discussion.
If both parents were alien but mother was human surrogate, wouldn't the mitochondrial dna be human?
I expressed myself wrong. Not unknown basepairs, unknown basepair sequences. They searched the "global dna database"(not sure of the actual name), and like 250 sequences were unrecognized.
And I don't think anyone here believes that this is an alien, but it's an interesting prospect, and fun to talk about so dont take it so seriously.
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Oct 2010 23:09 Post subject: |
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Dont worry he always takes his work seriously He used to have outbursts like this a long time ago and changed his ways
looks like hes back to the old habits
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Oct 2010 23:46 Post subject: |
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| BearishSun wrote: | I'm not gonna pretend I know much about it, and I don't, duh, not even sure why are you assuming anyone here does, it's a laymans discussion.
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Sorry, I always tend to make those kinds of assumption because to me this sort of thing is general knowledge; I do it a lot in real life too. 
| moosenoodles wrote: | Dont worry he always takes his work seriously He used to have outbursts like this a long time ago and changed his ways
looks like hes back to the old habits |
What are you talking about, this isn't an outburst, it's my analysis and opinion on this 'starchild' nonsense. I'm not ranting at anyone personally, more of a general tirade on the whole 'zomg mystery!!1' phenomenon.
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