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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Oct 2010 21:07 Post subject: |
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-10-14-scii-single-player-bans-explained
| Quote: | | The company has now clarified that it's taking no action against players using the built-in cheat codes for single-player, but that it has a zero tolerance policy on third-party hacks that can affect multiplayer competition, even if they're only used for solo play. |
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Oct 2010 21:19 Post subject: |
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Yeah a number of people on CheatHappens weren't happy when their accounts got banned due to that, I'm still Ok but i haven't played in a long time, waiting for the next episode of it and I mostly used the text input codes when replaying the levels which is fine.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Oct 2010 21:49 Post subject: |
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I rage over people getting banned, losing access to their game, for committing NO crime. If you cheat in MP, you deserve to be removed from MP. If you cheat in SP, that's YOUR fucking choice and you shouldn't have your game access removed. You can spin your bullshit all you want, you sad little Blizzard fanboy, but what they've done is wrong and you fucking know it.
But hey, it doesn't affect me. I pirated my copy of the game. Fuck you Blizzard.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Oct 2010 22:22 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | I rage over people getting banned, losing access to their game, for committing NO crime. If you cheat in MP, you deserve to be removed from MP. If you cheat in SP, that's YOUR fucking choice and you shouldn't have your game access removed. You can spin your bullshit all you want, you sad little Blizzard fanboy, but what they've done is wrong and you fucking know it.
But hey, it doesn't affect me. I pirated my copy of the game. Fuck you Blizzard. |
whats wrong with banning people who use trainers in sp, which works and can be used in mp, can you prove they didnt use them there? why i even bother.. ur one sorry ass whiner
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Oct 2010 22:26 Post subject: |
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IMO this is a NICE move by Blizzard! Cheating, be it SP og MP should be removed, and players should be banned! Besides, there is in-game cheat for SP(dev mode I assume) so whats the point of using 3rd party tools anyway?
Cracks should also have the same effect, "cheating" the DRM-shit is also illegal(you DO accept the eula)
Why do people cheat anyways? Is it bc the games are to difficult for you? Or is it you just want to control everything? If its the later, dont whine about this shit, and make your own game, then you can do whatever it is you want! Easy!
On a social-view, cheating is also very wrong, it makes these kids stupid, lazy and so on. Why think for them self, or LEARN it yourself, when you can get a "script" or whatever, to do everything for you. THIS is whats leads to Leo´s "one-button-xbox-thingy"... Yeah support that shit Sabin!
Ps I pirated it also....
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Oct 2010 22:31 Post subject: |
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@Photish Who the fuck are you to decide how people play an SP game on their own? It is of no concern to you why someone would chose to cheat, nor is it a concern of Blizzards. But leave it to fanboys to argue how playing at gunpoint and fear of the publisher is actually good for the consumer. 
As usual, the "make your own game" is the most retarded argument and deserves no response.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Oct 2010 22:47 Post subject: |
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@Photish No, I couldn't find the words to argue with you on how cheating leads to simplistic games. Just beyond me.  What leads to simplistic games is retards who can't comprehend gaming mechanics or have very low attention span. Incidentally, no trainer can atone for those. Or are you claiming Splinter Cell Conviction was made with retards in mind because people used trainers on the previous games? Get a grip. How one chooses to play a SINGLE player is of no concern to you, the developer or the publisher.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Oct 2010 23:25 Post subject: |
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I use cheats too, so I'm incompetent as a gamer? You make a lot of assumptions, most of them are wrong.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Oct 2010 23:40 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | I use cheats too, so I'm incompetent as a gamer? You make a lot of assumptions, most of them are wrong. |
I actually asked why cheaters... Well cheat. No one answered, so yeah I took that assumptions, since I do not have another reason for it, other than what I wrote.
But alot of good points you got there Mister_s... I can see by your valid and comprehensive points, that I am indeed very wrong. DERP IS FUTURE!!!
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Oct 2010 23:49 Post subject: |
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I only use trainers when I want to test some things that are not available through the usual means. Not every game has a console, and not everything can be done in the console. Also, trainers (or manual custom memory settings) are used constantly with modding. Just because you are too derp to find useful uses aside from your silly assumptions doesn't mean there aren't valid reasons to use trainers. Also, I ask again, who the fuck are you to determine what is valid and what is not. If someone wants to cheat, they'll cheat. "Hurr durr, look at me, I am internet tough guy, I can't think of a good use for trainers so only idiots use them and should be banned!  "
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Oct 2010 00:01 Post subject: |
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Alright, so let me weigh in on this as well.
I have never, ever cheated in any strategy or multiplayer game, furthermore I despise all multiplayer cheaters, and hope they break a leg.
However!
Single player is a whole other bag of spices. Although, I probably have, but I don't remember cheating in a SP game either, since vampires the masquerade, where it was necessary to be able to complete a level.
Now that that's clear, let me tell you my opinion: cheating and changing game content should be the privilege of every customer.
Although legally, Blizzard has a right to revoke your SC2 lease, if you break the EULA, morally and logically they are wrong. Even the whole situation, where we no longer own our games sucks, but most idiots, who empower ActiBlizz don't even know that.
Imagine buying a TV, but it comes with a beacon, that transmits everything you do with it to the manufacturer. Once you change a few things, say, tune a few colors or the aspect ratio, the manufacturer barges in your house, and takes your TV forever, and you can't even do anything about it, because they make the laws.
Yes, that's how modern games work. Yes, all of you defending Blizzard in this action are puppets, who dance to the tune of big publishers ... not only dance, but you're hopelessly dependent on the system ... like the matrix. You're a fucking agent.
Talk about publishers 1 consumers 0!
Fuck you puppets.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Oct 2010 00:19 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | I only use trainers when I want to test some things that are not available through the usual means. Not every game has a console, and not everything can be done in the console. Also, trainers (or manual custom memory settings) are used constantly with modding. Just because you are too derp to find useful uses aside from your silly assumptions doesn't mean there aren't valid reasons to use trainers. Also, I ask again, who the fuck are you to determine what is valid and what is not. If someone wants to cheat, they'll cheat. "Hurr durr, look at me, I am internet tough guy, I can't think of a good use for trainers so only idiots use them and should be banned! " |
Again I asked why to cheat... You could just answer politely instead of that shit.
In that case there, I would agree. Dev-mode should be available to more games, but again... Its not your game per say(not that I agree about the licens-shit-model, hell no) Even though ALOT of games require community-mods for even be playable nowadays! (Im not the biggest gamer, but I remember blood lines, oblivion ui mod and so on that was almost required to make the game playable.)
So you now just turned a discussion about cheating, around about modding, witch came from where?!
This is about cheating, witch by now should have sunk in... An basicly you bash a ONLINE ONLY* game from banning players who use 3rdparty tools to cheat, right?(* Officially ofc)
Blizzard knows that people can play it cracked anyway(with trainers), they just dont wont people playing on there lame battle.net with altered exe content and so on. Since its so multiplayer focused, this I can understand. There is even tools, that come with the game?
So we done now captain?
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Oct 2010 00:36 Post subject: |
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Why use a trainer when there in game cheat codes already unless they doing it for the achievements...
SC2 Cheat Codes
TerribleTerribleDamage - Terran Invincibility, 10x Damage
WhySoSerious - Free Credits
MoreDotsMoreDots - Cost-Free Production, Upgrades, & Abilities
YpoonsVoicemail - Disable Defeat Conditions
TyuHasLeftTheGame - Disable Victory Conditions
SoSayWeAll - Disable Tech Tree Prerequisites
Stroaksmolts - 5,000 Minerals Granted
Smoldersbolds - 5,000 Minerals & Vespene Gas Granted
RealMenDrillDeep - 5,000 Vespene Gas Granted
DZMHairSpring - Gives 5000 Custom resources
IAmIronman - Upgrades +1 (Weapon, Armor, Shield), Research All Abilities
EyeOfSauron - View Cinematics
JaynesTown - Granted More Terrazine
FSBComunicacion - Heal Faster
ReversingNazaire - Build Faster
SawnOutOfMemory - Remove Fog of War
Qrotero - Disable Time of Day
MintmansOperator - Disable Food Requirements
CadEasyGoin - Defeat!
cMethodFeedback - Victory!
LyingPect - Mission Select?
WapBoinkers - Research Points Granted
HanShotFirst - Disable Ability Cooldowns
Furabranchery - TV News
* OverEngineeredCodPiece - Now Playing: “Terran Up the Night”
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Oct 2010 01:11 Post subject: |
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| Radicalus wrote: | Although legally, Blizzard has a right to revoke your SC2 lease, if you break the EULA, morally and logically they are wrong. Even the whole situation, where we no longer own our games sucks, but most idiots, who empower ActiBlizz don't even know that.
Imagine buying a TV, but it comes with a beacon, that transmits everything you do with it to the manufacturer. Once you change a few things, say, tune a few colors or the aspect ratio, the manufacturer barges in your house, and takes your TV forever, and you can't even do anything about it, because they make the laws.
Yes, that's how modern games work. Yes, all of you defending Blizzard in this action are puppets, who dance to the tune of big publishers ... not only dance, but you're hopelessly dependent on the system ... like the matrix. You're a fucking agent. |
Personally, I'm sick of publisher treating game as service, instead of product.
If I buy book, I can do anything with it. Read it, sell it, burn it. There is no company that can control what I do with my book, or take it from me, if they feel I broke some their rule I'm supposed to follow (by auto-agreeing to some binding contract, which can't be read before purchase).
Yet it's not true with games that require online account (even in order to function in SP). The moment you "buy" such product, you are at mercy of publisher. With flip of the switch your game can become worthless.
And it's their call only, there is nothing that can protect you as consumer. Nothing...
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And everyone though that CD-checks where bad...
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Oct 2010 10:41 Post subject: |
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| Photish wrote: | | Again I asked why to cheat... You could just answer politely instead of that shit. |
I can get bored with a game, but still want to see the end. I can have fun with a game when I'm done with it. I can create an overpowered character and do whatever the fuck I want. I can circumvent moronic design decisions instead of bashing my head against the wall trying to get through it. Shall I go on?
The question is not why one cheats in SP, the question is who the fuck Blizzard is to make them stop cheating in SP.
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garus
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Oct 2010 10:45 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Oct 2010 11:41 Post subject: |
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As said in my above post:
Official cheat codes can still be used.
Official statement from Blizzard about ban: (unofficial) cheats in SP can be used to gain game achievements that are a mark of recognition by all players in MP, and that is not fair.
| Mister_s wrote: | | The question is not why one cheats in SP, the question is who the fuck Blizzard is to make them stop cheating in SP. |
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