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Surray
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 Posted: Wed, 18th Jul 2007 11:20 Post subject: hmm Dual or Quad core? |
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That is the big question!
With the intel price cuts coming up in a week or two, it's time to decide wether to get that nice Q6600 quad core with 2.4ghz or the E6850 dual core with 3 ghz which both cost the same (266$)
The E6850 is obviously faster in games and applications that do not support multithreading at all, or only utilize 2 cores.
However, the Q6600 is pretty damn fast still, and it can be a lot faster than the E6850 in the right applications and games. With time, the situation should shift in favor of the Q6600 as more games and apps support multiple cores.
Personally, I'm leaning towards the Q6600 as it appears to be fast enough for anything that supports only 1 or 2 cores, but it should be more future proof than the E6850.
What do you think?
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| Posted: Wed, 18th Jul 2007 12:19 Post subject: |
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i want the E6600,since the new CPU's has 1333FSB and i dun wanna change my mobo just because of that
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| Posted: Wed, 18th Jul 2007 12:31 Post subject: |
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I'd personally just get a quad core since it's gunna be the new standard in some years. Though as of RIGHT now I would wait or just get a dual core. There isn't any quad cores worth getting yet. AMD has a new one comming out that's gunna have an L3 cache onchip as opposed where intel's was using the FSB causing latency. I did read that intel would be using the same idea AMD is using though.
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| Posted: Wed, 18th Jul 2007 16:04 Post subject: |
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Iff you are a freaking hardcore gamer go for the E6850 now but iff you are a hardcore programmer then go for a quad core, because games of today dont support quad core yet.
Yes some game does lik supreme commander, crysis & UT 3 but a dual core is also fine.
Maybe @ 2008 - 2009 quad cores will be recommended.
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upstart_69
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| Posted: Wed, 18th Jul 2007 21:46 Post subject: |
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Wait for the 45nm chips to arrive ~ this sept. That's what I'm waiting on anyways. The new 1333 chips are just a stepping stone for the upcoming shrunken die which should boost speeds significantly.
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| Posted: Wed, 18th Jul 2007 22:03 Post subject: |
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| getthehellout wrote: | Iff you are a freaking hardcore gamer go for the E6850 now but iff you are a hardcore programmer then go for a quad core, because games of today dont support quad core yet.
Yes some game does lik supreme commander, crysis & UT 3 but a dual core is also fine.
Maybe @ 2008 - 2009 quad cores will be recommended. |
It's not a matter of a game supporting quad cores, just a game being multithreaded to take advantage of any extra cores likes Lost Planets and a couple others. |
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| Posted: Thu, 19th Jul 2007 00:27 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | | I'd personally just get a quad core since it's gunna be the new standard in some years. Though as of RIGHT now I would wait or just get a dual core. There isn't any quad cores worth getting yet. AMD has a new one comming out that's gunna have an L3 cache onchip as opposed where intel's was using the FSB causing latency. I did read that intel would be using the same idea AMD is using though. |
What he said.. Although its probably best to get the 266$ quad over the dual for the simple fact that it is more future proof and there is only 400mhz of performance difference (plus, crysis and U3 should support quads)
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chiv
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| Posted: Thu, 19th Jul 2007 08:47 Post subject: |
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i have the 6700 quad and im liking it. as far as pretty much ALL current games, it runs them nicely, and as far as future games and programs are concerned, more and more of them will use multiple cores so they should run even better.
i simply HAD to buy a new pc NOW... ive been on a 1.7ghz machine for 6 or so years, so i needed a new one.. you can wait and wait and wait for what new tech is coming around the bend but no matter how long you wait theres always something better coming. if your going to jump in now, id say get the quad. if you only want a new cpu to last a year or something... pff.. then why even bother getting one at all. my vote, out of those, get the quad. i did and im completely happy with it.
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Jul 2007 11:15 Post subject: |
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Get dual core, of course... pfff...
the recent quad cores get a lot hotter than any dual core, they dont overclock too well and they are to expensive... basiclly it`s just 2 dual cores on one chip...
If you search a little, you won`t find ONE benchmark, where an equally priced quad beats a dual (in games that is). And even specialized programs, that support quad (and more) cores dont`t scale 100% - not even near 100 %...
If you get yourself a decent dual core and a good mainboard + cooling - you can get almost 4 Ghz on air... this will beat any quad core in any app - even in 2 years... and come on - as if a quad now would be more "future proof". lol!
In 2-3 years it`s time to get a new cpu + mainboard... won`t make a difference if you buy dual or quad now.
So go for best performance and bang for the buck - and get a dualcore if you want to buy now!!
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Jul 2007 16:39 Post subject: |
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pfff quad cores are for servers, get a decent dual core cpu so you save some money for a fast videcard, cause that's what really matter for gaming, a fast videocard.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Oct 2010 16:37 Post subject: |
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If you have the money buy yourself i7, if you don't buy i5... that pretty summarizes it all 
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Oct 2010 16:45 Post subject: |
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Even if games do not use a quad core CPU properly, it is still recommended to upgrade because of the upgraded architecture, memory, data throughput and so on. I experienced this when I upgraded from an overclocked dual core to an i7, CPU intensive games were suddenly much faster and previous FPS dips were not apparent anymore. Now, there are "modern" dual cores (like i3 I think), and they will give you similar boosts in performance vs the old dual core, but I think it's a shame to throw cash on that. If you are upgrading, save a little more, go with an i5 at least. 
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Oct 2010 16:49 Post subject: |
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Tom's Hardware guide have made a big 2 part article about cpu/gpu bottlenecks:
| Quote: | | The question of whether the CPU or GPU is most important is easily answered. If you don't have a multi-core CPU, then upgrade it. If you have a dual-core CPU at around 3 GHz, then invest your money into a graphics card, as most games are GPU-limited. This is not something that will change with new DirectX 11 games. |
Source
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Oct 2010 16:54 Post subject: |
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i had a choice to get i3 or i5x4, price difference was 30 or so euros, well it's pretty obvious to have better for almost same price, even if game does not use quad, u can still multi task where with dc u are pretty much limited
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Oct 2010 18:28 Post subject: |
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anyone selling a Quad for 775 socket?
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Oct 2010 19:43 Post subject: |
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| Surray wrote: | | Got no idea what multiple threads are like! |
you watch a hd Movie , compress 5 things in 7zip in the back , and burn a DVD9 and rip plus compress a movie
all at the same time!!! all at perfect speeds !!!
plus Quads are great for emulators like... if you would play ps2 games on PC or even WII games on Dolphin !
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Oct 2010 20:35 Post subject: |
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Even if a game only uses 1 core, that still leaves the rest of the cores to take care of whatever you have running other than the game. A lot of games now days are starting use multi cores more and more, I just wish minecraft would lol
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Oct 2010 20:50 Post subject: |
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@ SpykeZ: Allow me to quote you:
| SpykeZ @ 18 Jul 2007 wrote: | | I'd personally just get a quad core since it's gunna be the new standard in some years. Though as of RIGHT now I would wait or just get a dual core. There isn't any quad cores worth getting yet. |
"Some years" have passed, and games are still barely using dual core CPUs properly. Not that it matters nowadays, since quads have clocks similar to duals, but it's still a goddamn joke how little games have progressed in 3 years time.
What was current back then, still is current, and that statement is still entirely valid: It's gonna be the new standard in "some years". What that means is that it'll become standard once the 360 is replaced with something that forces developers to get off their lazy asses, stop using ancient UE3 builds and actually take advantage of the hardware at their disposal 
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Oct 2010 21:49 Post subject: |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Oct 2010 22:17 Post subject: |
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Dolphin uses 3 at best I believe, PCSX2 still only uses 2. As with most games, clockspeed is more important than the amount of cores
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Oct 2010 22:22 Post subject: |
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Nah, Dolphin is still only a dual-core emulator.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Oct 2010 22:43 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Oct 2010 23:08 Post subject: |
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The major downside to running PCSX2 with more than 2 cores in software mode is that it looks like ASS because of it. Software Mode is a hideous rendering option and makes everything look ugly as sin. Sure you could run the emulator with 6 or 7 threads, depending on your processor, but when it ends up looking as bad as it does, you have to start wondering; Why bother?
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Oct 2010 23:11 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Oct 2010 23:17 Post subject: |
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Bug-testing, most likely. Checking out DX hardware render issues, of which there can be a few. It's fixed for hardware mode NOW, but there used to be issues with "Wild ARMS Alter Code F" that were only fixed when running in software mode.
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