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NeHoMaR
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Why all that hate to Gothic 4? Actually, I think this game will be good.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 05:06 Post subject: |
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Um, because the demo was laughable and not in any way remotely similar to Gothic?
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NeHoMaR
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 05:27 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Um, because the demo was laughable and not in any way remotely similar to Gothic? |
I think it's just some parody or joke at the beginning of the game as tutorial, and then it turns serious.
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W123
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 06:14 Post subject: |
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Don't think he meant he was laughing with the game.. more like laughing at it.
I didn't think it was that bad, but it definitely didn't hold my interest. I think the graphics engine is pretty impressive though it didn't run as buttersmooth as Risen.
I just restarted Gothic 2 NOTR (Nvidia finally came out with drivers that work with it and W7 x64) and died about 10 times in a row versus a wolf 10 minutes into the game... I don't think many people would find that enjoyable nowadays.
Although... Demons Souls sold pretty well and it has a few nasty boss fights.
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NeHoMaR
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 06:47 Post subject: |
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| W123 wrote: | | ... died about 10 times in a row versus a wolf 10 minutes into the game... I don't think many people would find that enjoyable nowadays. |
That remember me Morrowind, depend of the race/class you get, you could have a very hard time with the first rat you fight.
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W123
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 06:49 Post subject: |
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Yes, Morrowind had quite the crappy combat system.
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couleur
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 08:19 Post subject: |
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| W123 wrote: |
I just restarted Gothic 2 NOTR (Nvidia finally came out with drivers that work with it and W7 x64) and died about 10 times in a row versus a wolf 10 minutes into the game... I don't think many people would find that enjoyable nowadays.
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Well, thats because you really had to master the combat system (which was pretty good for that time). Also Gothic II, unlike Gothic IV was open, so you could always level up and come back later to get that wolf. Nowadays people prefer to fight against 5 wolves simultaneously on lvl 1 and still win. No danger, no adventure and no sense of achievement anymore.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 10:27 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 11:09 Post subject: |
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WTF, AI seems to be in late in comparison with your moves...maybe the guy should buy a better computer...^^"
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 11:19 Post subject: |
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| lolozaur wrote: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6KvSRWs_w4
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wtf, that seems too stupid to be true. Maybe he edited some stuff or made console shenanigans to make it look overly stupid?
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W123
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 11:42 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | | W123 wrote: |
I just restarted Gothic 2 NOTR (Nvidia finally came out with drivers that work with it and W7 x64) and died about 10 times in a row versus a wolf 10 minutes into the game... I don't think many people would find that enjoyable nowadays.
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Well, thats because you really had to master the combat system (which was pretty good for that time). Also Gothic II, unlike Gothic IV was open, so you could always level up and come back later to get that wolf. Nowadays people prefer to fight against 5 wolves simultaneously on lvl 1 and still win. No danger, no adventure and no sense of achievement anymore. |
I know, i was a bit rusty. Thing about Gothic 2 combat was exploiting the AI's repetitive moves. They would keep trying to do the same thing over and over again, and if you got them in this loop, you could win by repeating the side slashes. And of course never taking on more than one enemy until you get stronger. As repetitive as the combat is in G2, it's still fun and worlds better than Gothic 3's terrible system. Getting the timing on parries is just plain satisfying... I am so glad they revived this system for Risen and modernized it and made it fluid, and disappointed the devs axed it for this Gothic spin-off.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 11:46 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Well that's the thing, the "Nameless Hero" is actually part of Gothic 4. He's King Rhobar III |
Yes, but he's not the main character and it's not a PB game.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 11:53 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 12:08 Post subject: |
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| Overlord123 wrote: | http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7-winvista-64bit-260.63-beta-driver.html
| nVidia wrote: | | Improves compatibility for older PC games (DirectX 7 to DirectX 9) running on Windows 7 (examples: Gothic, Gothic II, Falcon 4.0: Allied Force, Links 2003, Independence War II - Edge of Chaos, and X2: Wolverine's Revenge). |
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 12:15 Post subject: |
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| lolozaur wrote: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6KvSRWs_w4
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That and the stupid sound you get as warning whenever a foe starts an attack on you. By the time he charges (or for that matter, the sound finishes playing) I've all the time to go grab a beer, take a nap and be back in time to get bored while waiting for that damn foe to act.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 13:03 Post subject: |
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I'm still looking forward to this. Sure it's not a Gothic game, but that doesn't mean it's going to be bad.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 15:28 Post subject: |
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Aye, it really only was a demo.. so I'm hoping (against hope >_>) that the full game ends up being more enjoyable. I can see why some dev houses don't release demos lately... because after playing that; there is no way in HELL I am buying the full game. Not unless something drastic happens in the meantime, like me getting a lobotomy or the game actually - gasp - turning out to be rather good.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 15:35 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Aye, it really only was a demo.. so I'm hoping (against hope >_>) that the full game ends up being more enjoyable. I can see why some dev houses don't release demos lately... because after playing that; there is no way in HELL I am buying the full game. Not unless something drastic happens in the meantime, like me getting a lobotomy or the game actually - gasp - turning out to be rather good. |
I dont believe that AI retardness of such proportions would be a demo or beginning of the game only "feature". I bet the hardcore fanboys over at the g4 forums are arguing that everyone against the game should shut the fuck up and realize that its only a demo and the full game will be the next coming of Christ (which is a pretty standard and hilariously stupid argument most fanboys do, and is never the case).
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 15:45 Post subject: |
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Invisible walls were confirmed for the full game as well apparently, mostly in regards to story progress to unlock new areas or some such and that so that AI acts up isn't that shocking seeing that it's also been mentioned in various previews and early reviews.
(They give clear visual hints and notices plus attack slowly in regards to more strong attacks or special abilities like spells plus the difficulty level is nearly only in regards to damage dealt and damage received so it only prolongs the battles, of course Gothic 3 had initially the same problem.)
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 18:03 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Closing Comment of Sebastian Weber:
After G3 I was doubtful about JoWood continuing this series. Especially with such a unexperienced team like SpellBound. The result of this collaboration is now playable and without a doubt it is viable. But a Gothic? - Not for me. There are too many things missing which are characteristic for the Gothic-experience. The familiar Skill-System is gone, the big and open world gets a corset and the normal setting of difficulty is far too easy. Sure you'll meet some known faces of the story and you can disable all the comfort if you wish - but nonetheless this title does not deserve the name: Gothic, because it is raising wrong expectations.
Arcania sure is fun despite all of these point of critics - But as a fan of Gothic I still prefer Risen |
German reviewer says, not Gothic, invisible walls, faulty skill system, too easy. |
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 18:10 Post subject: |
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| Epsilon wrote: | | Quote: | Closing Comment of Sebastian Weber:
After G3 I was doubtful about JoWood continuing this series. Especially with such a unexperienced team like SpellBound. The result of this collaboration is now playable and without a doubt it is viable. But a Gothic? - Not for me. There are too many things missing which are characteristic for the Gothic-experience. The familiar Skill-System is gone, the big and open world gets a corset and the normal setting of difficulty is far too easy. Sure you'll meet some known faces of the story and you can disable all the comfort if you wish - but nonetheless this title does not deserve the name: Gothic, because it is raising wrong expectations.
Arcania sure is fun despite all of these point of critics - But as a fan of Gothic I still prefer Risen |
German reviewer says, not Gothic, invisible walls, faulty skill system, too easy. |
Im sure its been stated before , maybe diffrently, but i wonder how many people that have spoken badly about this game based on the demo might have otherwise givin it a better opinion if the name gothic was taken out. If it was just Acrania, i think ppl are too hung up on the gothic part. I think if you look past the name you find a competent RPG , sure its not GOTY but good enough in ts own regaurd. much better then alot o RPG's ive played latey for sure .
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 18:14 Post subject: |
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If you put "Gothic" in your game's title, standards will be high. Spellbound claimed at day one they were big Gothic fans and that their game would have the same atmosphere. If you say you're going to make Gothic, people will expect Gothic.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 18:15 Post subject: |
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| revdirty wrote: |
but i wonder how many people that have spoken badly about this game based on the demo might have otherwise givin it a better opinion if the name gothic was taken out.
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But it hasn't or wasn't. It is called Gothic 4 and therefore falls under the same banner and should be judged as such.
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I think if you look past the name you find a competent RPG , sure its not GOTY but good enough in ts own regaurd. much better then alot o RPG's ive played latey for sure . |
Then you've got extremely low standards. I can't name many recent RPGs that this bests.
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NeHoMaR
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 18:18 Post subject: |
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| lolozaur wrote: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6KvSRWs_w4
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That looks like a bug or hack; or very slow computer with a good graphics card. If you develop a game and you actually test it, you fix things like this. In every single game I know, if an enemy cast a spell, he will turn in your direction, if you move, unless there are a serious bug, or is a beta.
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 19:04 Post subject: |
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Buy a crap game "Arcania: Gothic 4" for 40€ or a rerelease of a good game on GoG "Planescape: Torment" for 9.95$, I'm going for the rerelease eventhough that I've played that game to death, hehe I made a funny, but it sometimes pays to support good games - one can hope atleast.
People who say "It's only a demo" and it shouldn't be judged based on the "starting area" for one thing, theres not one game developer who isn't japanese that would like the players to not have a good time right from the get go and get sucked into the game.
Secondly it´s not an mmo, so the game won't vastly change outside of the "starting area" all the systems that make up the gameplay will stay the same.
Yes as I stated earlier, it´s called Gothic and will be judged as such, just like Fallout 3 was compared with the previous Fallout games and found wanting.
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LMLM
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 20:16 Post subject: |
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Well for me, judging the difficulty of normal and bashing the game based on that when the hardest difficulty isn't available would be prejudice. But for things like this simple combat exploitation shown in the above video then I'm thinking that the demo is probably true to the full game.
Would be nice if the full game's combat didn't have pauses like that so that you can walk right around them and they are oblivious to where you are. That's just silly. I also found that in the demo and exploiting it is very simple, just move a little bit and they'll miss and then attack with guaranteed hits. This is why modding is so very important.
Is G4 modable??? I know there are .xml files but.........
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