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kumkss
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 Posted: Sat, 25th Sep 2010 00:24 Post subject: |
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insead of 465 get 460, cooler and more efficient, be careful about gigabyte, a lot of ppl having issues with those cards including me,well i had before i got rid of it, u may be lucky
http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php?board=7.0
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kumkss
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Sep 2010 00:30 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | insead of 465 get 460, cooler and more efficient, be careful about gigabyte, a lot of ppl having issues with those cards including me,well i had before i got rid of it, u may be lucky
http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php?board=7.0 |
thx for the tip. do you sugest the asus mb video combo instead? price is nearly the same...
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Sep 2010 01:10 Post subject: |
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why spend so much on a cpu if you are gonna use it for gaming?
Even if your preference is intel/nvidia... swap some of the CPU money to GPU and you will see a better fps increase.
Also in over a month new ATI cards are out
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kumkss
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Sep 2010 01:40 Post subject: |
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is there a better option for a gaming cpu? i thought that one was a good one. but if it exceeds the requirements for gaming, i would change it to another one less expensive.
i don't mind with new cards, that will probably cost much more.
thx for the tip!
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Sep 2010 01:46 Post subject: |
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| kumkss wrote: | | Mortibus wrote: | insead of 465 get 460, cooler and more efficient, be careful about gigabyte, a lot of ppl having issues with those cards including me,well i had before i got rid of it, u may be lucky
http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php?board=7.0 |
thx for the tip. do you sugest the asus mb video combo instead? price is nearly the same... |
no i was talking about gfx card, and also u might get i5 750 or 760 instead of i7, that will save u at least 100 pounds of unnecessary power, don't listen to Paintface unless u prepair to deal with amd software, they might release new cards but drivers will always be an issue 
besides lets not forget physx 
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Sep 2010 02:07 Post subject: |
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ATI drivers being suxors is so 2003
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upstart_69
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Sep 2010 02:39 Post subject: Re: need advice on my -future- pc |
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| kumkss wrote: | Yups! It's time for kumkss to upgrade his 5 years obsolete athlon 64.
there are a lot of options in the market and found this one, that -eventualy- feets my gaming needs:
Intel CPU Core i7-875K 2.93 GHz Box (1156)
Gigabyte M/B Intel P55A-UD3P A/L (1156)
Hitachi Disco Duro Sata2 1 Tb 7200 rpm < Get a WD Black, also Highly recommend you add a small ssd for windows/boot partition - trust me, its the best thing ever
Patriot Memory DDR3 Signature 6Gb 1333MHz PC3-10600 (2Gbx3)
ViewSonic Monitor LCD 17" Wide VA1716w Black
Gigabyte Video PCIE GTX465 1024mb DDR5 < Dude, gtx465 is weaksauce(Hot and expensive), get a gtx460 1gb card
this at a price of: 1,686 US or 1,250 Euro.
i don't want to give more money.
Is this a good gaming pc? Is that a fair price?
thx!!  |
Minor tweaks based on personal/professional experience. And you should be able to find it cheaper than that, but guess it all depends on what shops/online stores are available to ya.
Also, don't skimp on power supply or use an old barely limping along one. Make sure you are running those kickass parts on kickass reliable power supply.
Core i7 920 @ 3.8Ghz | 6GB OCZ DDR3 8-8-8-24 @ 1600mhz | eVga x58 Mobo | 2 x eVga GTX 460 SLI | Intel X25-M + 3x Seagate + WD Black = 2.75TB | X-Fi Titanium | PCP&C Silencer 750 | G15 KB | G5 Mouse | G35 Headset | Z-5500 Digital | Samsung T260HD
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Sep 2010 07:17 Post subject: |
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When buying SSD better make sure it has trim
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Sep 2010 08:48 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | yet ppl still complaining, let's not forget how they drop support for older generation cards when new ones arrive, this is just unforgivable and what nvidia doesn't do, nvidia still supports 6 series for w7 32 and 64 bit while ati doesn't for x1 and x8, same era  |
Yeah, I was devastated when I couldn't find drivers back when I had 9550 
I don't think that's a cardinal offense. I mean why would they spend resources on something obsolete?
Anywho... I've read on tom's hardware that MoH will require quad proc Why do I think that this will be like any other game? Get a decent i5 if you want only to game, it'll save you some money
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Sep 2010 12:11 Post subject: |
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9550 is agp 1950 pci-e, old but not obsolete and still usable, i build one pc for someone who plays only css and hl2 and that card can handle it nicely @50-60fps with some shit amd dual core, the only problem was i had to install vista driver coz to my surprise there was no 7 driver for it due to no support, nice
pretty sure nV would've been lynched for that, but oh well
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Sep 2010 12:54 Post subject: |
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First, let me deal with some of the statements here:
| Mortibus wrote: | | yet ppl still complaining, let's not forget how they drop support for older generation cards when new ones arrive, this is just unforgivable and what nvidia doesn't do, nvidia still supports 6 series for w7 32 and 64 bit while ati doesn't for x1 and x8, same era |
NVIDIA keeps OLD drivers for the cards in their current releases, they don't improve anything for them anymore. For ATI, you can still get those old drivers just the same - if you select your card from the list, it'll redirect you there. NVIDIA does nothing more for owners of old cards; trust me, I know, Microsoft's driver in Win7 for the 6200 LE is newer than NVIDIA's and it works better, the NVIDIA one keeps crashing when watching videos. No sane manufacturer releases *improved* drivers for their products beyond 3-4 years of its lifetime. They might make them compatible with new O/S's, but that's about it. Only difference is that NVIDIA gives you a 125 meg download that has these old drivers baked in with the new ones and BloatX stuff, whereas ATI decided not to bother with that and just keep the old ones in a seperate package weighing at 55 megs. Don't be so naive to think that NVIDIA *actually* still works on drivers for old cards, that's like thinking Valve are going to surprise us by releasing Episode 3 next month.
As far as SSD's go: it seems I'm talking to brick walls here, but while they are insanely fast, their $/GB and speeds are increasing at a ridiculous rate. They've gone from 40nm NAND to 22nm now within 18 months, and it's expected that by Q1/Q2 2011 we'll be looking at 18nm NAND already. What does that mean? It means that while production is being perfected now, prices of NAND will drop, and as a result, the cost per gigabyte will drop for SSD's.
More importantly, over the past 3 months, popular drives like OCZ's Vertex (both 1 and 2) have dropped to almost half their price, and they still are. Wait another 3 months, and you'll be able to get a 100GB Vertex drive which can hold more than just your O/S at a reasonable price. A 30GB or even 60GB drive is all good, but unless you keep a ridiculously clean system you're gonna have to keep shifting games and apps between drives.
To back the above up; Vertex 2 60GB has dropped from ~240 to around 130 since its introduction on May 26th. That's 45% lower in 4 months time for what is considered the best all-round SSD, and a brand new model at that.
Sorry for the wall above 
Now, to break down your choices:
| kumkss wrote: | Intel CPU Core i7-875K 2.93 GHz Box (1156)
Gigabyte M/B Intel P55A-UD3P A/L (1156)
Hitachi Disco Duro Sata2 1 Tb 7200 rpm
Patriot Memory DDR3 Signature 6Gb 1333MHz PC3-10600 (2Gbx3)
ViewSonic Monitor LCD 17" Wide VA1716w Black
Gigabyte Video PCIE GTX465 1024mb DDR5 |
CPU: While that i7 gives you a bit more headroom when overclocking, an i5-760 is around 140-150 euros cheaper and will perform the same in gaming. It's just complete overkill, and games are barely using dualcores properly, something that most likely won't change for years to come.
Mobo: good board, although it's very erratic when it comes to overclocking. Some people get good results, some get bad results; any particular reason why you went for this one? I'd save on the CPU and spend part of your new budget on a slightly higher grade motherboard; UD4 or MSI's P55-GD65 are the most popular choices (and noone go "OMG MSI SUCKS" or anything please, because it's just bullshit).
HDD: Go for a Samsung Spinpoint F3 or Caviar Black here. Fastest mechanical drives out there, although I have to admit that my F3 is one noisy son of a bitch :E
Monitor: Take that up a to 20"/22" really, with that system you want 1080p 
GPU: Don't even consider the 465 or a 5830. The 460 has the best price/performance out there right now, and you can always stick another one in later if you get an SLI-capable motherboard.
When are you buying this system? Because ATI's new cards are being launched on October 12th, which will be interesting to see. Even if not for those cards (as they're the "57xx" of this generation), it'll be good for prices; GTX480 prices have been dropping everywhere, an indication they can't sell the cards as well as they want. If its price keeps dropping like it has, AMD has to drop the 5870 in price or the 480 will be the better buy regardless of its flaws.
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Sep 2010 18:14 Post subject: |
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My 3 YR old Rig I built still plays all games great at 1650x1080 resolution. I aint upgrading until games wont run well.
RYZEN 5 2600|RADEON 570| |ASRock X370 Killer|DDR4@2800Mhz||Corsair SPEC-05 Case|AOC G2590FX 24.5''144hz 1ms|
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Oct 2010 17:05 Post subject: |
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Go with the 1050t, once youve overclcoked it to 4ghz and overclocked the northbridge the difference between and oced I7 and oced 1050t is virtually nil.
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Oct 2010 18:31 Post subject: |
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well they do have better results when put in a benchmark... But for me the price of intel is just too high :\
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Oct 2010 19:01 Post subject: |
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| me7 wrote: | | I'm building a new PC for gaming and video encoding and on a first glance a combination of GeForce GTX460 with an i7 870 seems reasonable for my needs (I can really use Hyper Threading for x264 so I'm willing to pay more for a 8xx). |
In that case I'd go for the 930 instead. Stronger platform overall, and the actual CPU in this case is a little cheaper. The i7-8xx's are weird products, I still don't see the market for them :E
| me7 wrote: | | Looking a bit closer I noticed how much cheaper AMD's CPUs are. Are the prices of Intel justified? Are their CPUs more efficient at similar clock speeds? |
In a word: yes. It's sad, but true. For gaming it doesn't really matter, other than the fact that you can get away with a much lower clocked Nehalem than you can with a K10. Outside of that though, Intel still has the lead..for now.
| me7 wrote: | | ...and I'm aware that the Radeon 6000 series is underway, don't bash me that buying a GTX460 now is stupid - i haven't ordered anything yet |
Good
Latest rumours say that the Barts NDA expires next monday, shouldn't be much longer than that at least. Rumours suggest they'll pretty much be 5850/5870 with less power consumption and priced to compete with the 460 |
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Werelds
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