I'm after a tv and pc monitor all-in-one.?
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Theescapist




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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Aug 2010 20:18    Post subject: I'm after a tv and pc monitor all-in-one.?
Hi there cowgirls.

I've got a nice Samsung 42 inch tv screen, It's a plasma but it's great for tv but shit for the pc due to the 1024x1024(or whatever it is) resolution.
So I'm after a tv screen and a pc monitor in one?
Has to be at least 1920x____ resolution for the pc.
And good response time?
Also decent tv stuff.
Any ideas?
I don't want to be paying silly money either.

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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Aug 2010 20:20    Post subject:
Buy the PS3 version.
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Aug 2010 20:22    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Buy the PS3 version.

Huh?

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/43622/AOC-42--LCD-TV-L42HA91-Built-In-Freeview-1080p
^^^any good?

Or this?
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/166891


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Aug 2010 20:24    Post subject:
Just joking, mate. What price range are you looking for? What size? The smallest you can find with 1920 resolution is 32".
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Aug 2010 20:27    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Just joking, mate. What price range are you looking for? What size? The smallest you can find with 1920 resolution is 32".


Arggh no worries, i get what you was on about-banhammer Sad
Anyway.
32 inch minimum but really want one in the 40's?
This seems a really good deal.
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/166891
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Aug 2010 20:51    Post subject:
Let me warn you though, I have a 37" LCD in my room, and when I sit up close, it's quite huge for a monitor, even with a 1080p resolution. (On my 24" regular monitor I have 1920x1200.) So depends on how close you will be sitting for the monitor part. If you plan on sitting close, such large monitors are problematic. You should go to an electronic store, even if just so you can stand close to the TVs to see what size you feel comfortable with.
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Aug 2010 20:57    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Let me warn you though, I have a 37" LCD in my room, and when I sit up close, it's quite huge for a monitor, even with a 1080p resolution. (On my 24" regular monitor I have 1920x1200.) So depends on how close you will be sitting for the monitor part. If you plan on sitting close, such large monitors are problematic. You should go to an electronic store, even if just so you can stand close to the TVs to see what size you feel comfortable with.

I've got a 42 inch samsung tv now m8 which i use for my ps3.
They are very problematic up close but i don't sdit right on top of it.
But i want it for my pc computer.
Will that resolution 1920x---- work at that resolution for my pc?
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Aug 2010 20:58    Post subject:
Yes, of course, you can set the Windows settings to whatever you want.
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Aug 2010 21:01    Post subject:
This is the tv i have now.
It's really nice but the resolution ain't good for my pc.
It doesn't have to be 42 inches 37 inch like the one you have is plenty m8.
http://www.directtvs.co.uk/Samsung_42-_HD_ready_Plasma_Television__PS42A457P1DXXU/version.asp


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Aug 2010 21:12    Post subject:
Well, some time ago we had a discussion on Plasmas. I will not recap the whole thing, but lets just say I very unfond of them.
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Aug 2010 21:22    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Well, some time ago we had a discussion on Plasmas. I will not recap the whole thing, but lets just say I very unfond of them.

It still sells at over 500 quid this one i have.
I bought it about 5 months ago for 310 pounds.
I'm happy with it still.
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Aug 2010 21:23    Post subject:
why not go for LED !!!!!


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Aug 2010 21:30    Post subject:
Hfric wrote:
why not go for LED !!!!!

I guess you mean lcd tv?
I will be going for a lcd when i finnaly make the choice lol.
Just that this tv i have now is plama, there pro's n cons against both of them.
Not read much about it really.
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Aug 2010 22:07    Post subject:
I highly suggest getting a LED LCD TV. I've got a Sony Bravia downstairs now, absolutely loving it.

To answer your question though:
There's 2 types of LCD TV's: those with CCFL and those with LEDs. The former are the more traditional ones, using long tubes to light up the screen. The LED ones come in two flavours as well: Edge-lit and full-led (at least those are the terms commonly used for advertising). Edge-lit LCDs used to have some drawbacks in that there would be backlight bleeding in dark scenes, but most manufacturers have remedied that by now.

What's the difference between CCFL and LED? Well, LED TVs usually have more vibrant colours, better contrast, are ridiculously thin and consume a lot less power, although that last part doesn't really matter to anyone

I personally don't see the point in plasma TVs anymore; there are things at which they're still slightly better, but with all the advantage LED LCD TVs have now they're just way too expensive Smile
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Aug 2010 22:10    Post subject:
Theescapist wrote:
Hfric wrote:
why not go for LED !!!!!

I guess you mean lcd tv?
I will be going for a lcd when i finnaly make the choice lol.
Just that this tv i have now is plama, there pro's n cons against both of them.
Not read much about it really.

no i meant LED


see LED


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Aug 2010 23:00    Post subject:
LG 32/37/40 LE5300 LED tv

Code:
- resolutie: 1920x1080 (Full HD)
- backlight technologie: LED
- Trumotion 100Hz
- dynamic contrast ratio: 3.000.000:1
- kijkhoek: 178/178
- response time: 2.4 ms
- tuner: DVB-T/ CI+

- intelligent sensor


best bang for a buck
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Aug 2010 01:36    Post subject:
You should go the other way round, i.e. buy a large enough monitor you can use as a TV as well. The reason is simple; TVs just can't compete with monitors when it comes to dpi. And btw, LCD/Plasma/LED is just the way the screen is lit and doesn't really improve the resolution much.
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Aug 2010 09:22    Post subject:
Theescapist wrote:
This is the tv i have now.
It's really nice but the resolution ain't good for my pc.
It doesn't have to be 42 inches 37 inch like the one you have is plenty m8.
http://www.directtvs.co.uk/Samsung_42-_HD_ready_Plasma_Television__PS42A457P1DXXU/version.asp

Looking at the specs... a 42 inch "HDTV" with a resolution of 1024x768... and 16:9 AR... how does that even work? Smile

Anyway, the question here is what will be the primary use for your new screen? And what do you mean by "decent TV stuff"?

If you are looking for a full-time PC monitor, than like iNatan said, a huge 37''/42'' screen might be an overkill unless there's some decent distance to it. Some manufacturers (LG, Samsung) have LCD TV/Monitor models which are 22''-27'' 1080p and have built in tuners if that is the TV stuff you want.
For entertainment though, HDTVs always have better picture quality than any monitor and response times are now good enough as well as far as I know.
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Aug 2010 09:48    Post subject:
Honestly I could never use 32" for PC, other than just pure gaming :

When I plug in my sisters laptop into my LG in living room, on 1950X1080 everything is sooo small (fonts and that stuff), so to be able to see what I'm doing I would have to be <1m from the screen, and I'm sure I would get blind grinhurt

But for watching TV/movies/gaming that res is fine Very Happy

For work... I'm satisfied with 22" Very Happy altho I would like having 24" model, but hey, I'm not complaining grinhurt


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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Aug 2010 12:21    Post subject:
Who said size dosnt matter? Laughing
We will allways have to urge to have something bigger and more expensive even if we need it or not. Im satisfied with my 24, but my guess is that in about 3-4 years i want a bigger screen.
I agree with dingo_d that a 32+ screen is just too large for pure gaming, for movies its great, you will just stare at the screen most of the time and wonder what is written there.
So if you really want a big monitor buy a big one but you might have trouble reading it all in games etc Smile
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Aug 2010 17:08    Post subject:
MinderMast wrote:
Theescapist wrote:
This is the tv i have now.
It's really nice but the resolution ain't good for my pc.
It doesn't have to be 42 inches 37 inch like the one you have is plenty m8.
http://www.directtvs.co.uk/Samsung_42-_HD_ready_Plasma_Television__PS42A457P1DXXU/version.asp

Looking at the specs... a 42 inch "HDTV" with a resolution of 1024x768... and 16:9 AR... how does that even work? Smile

Anyway, the question here is what will be the primary use for your new screen? And what do you mean by "decent TV stuff"?

If you are looking for a full-time PC monitor, than like iNatan said, a huge 37''/42'' screen might be an overkill unless there's some decent distance to it. Some manufacturers (LG, Samsung) have LCD TV/Monitor models which are 22''-27'' 1080p and have built in tuners if that is the TV stuff you want.
For entertainment though, HDTVs always have better picture quality than any monitor and response times are now good enough as well as far as I know.


Well i want this tv as my monitor in one.
I'm after a resolution for pc gaming on it at least 19xx-xxxx.
So with that and full hd.
And has to be in the 30's inches, don't want nothing smaller.
40 IF possible but i don't want to go about 500?
low 400's would be perfect
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Aug 2010 17:48    Post subject:
Theescapist wrote:
iNatan wrote:
Just joking, mate. What price range are you looking for? What size? The smallest you can find with 1920 resolution is 32".


Arggh no worries, i get what you was on about-banhammer Sad
Anyway.
32 inch minimum but really want one in the 40's?
This seems a really good deal.
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/166891

Does anyone know what the response time of this tv is so i can use it for pc gaming?
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PostPosted: Sun, 15th Aug 2010 10:19    Post subject:
Usually it's a better idea to go for a dual screen to have a separate screen for day to day/work PC stuff and a separate screen for movies/gaming. Having one for both will require tradeoffs, so it won't be great for neither thing or good for one, bad for the other.

When it comes to LCD TVs I prefer the Sony TVs Smile
But to answer your question, it seems that this TV has a response time of 6ms... good enough for gaming if it holds up for real. I'd be paying more attention to picture quality though, since most new TVs have decent response times anyway.
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PostPosted: Sun, 15th Aug 2010 11:34    Post subject:
dingo_d wrote:
Honestly I could never use 32" for PC, other than just pure gaming :

When I plug in my sisters laptop into my LG in living room, on 1950X1080 everything is sooo small (fonts and that stuff), so to be able to see what I'm doing I would have to be <1m from the screen, and I'm sure I would get blind grinhurt

But for watching TV/movies/gaming that res is fine Very Happy

For work... I'm satisfied with 22" Very Happy altho I would like having 24" model, but hey, I'm not complaining grinhurt

I use 1920x1200 on my 24" Laughing To me, when I display the desktop on the 37" LCD, everything is HUUGE... Razz
I have always used large resssolusssionsss on my monitors. Even with the CRT, I used to use 1280x960 on a 17" CRT. Gotta have more space! grinhurt
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PostPosted: Sun, 15th Aug 2010 11:46    Post subject:
Pff TV's, get some 1080p projector instead.
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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 13:08    Post subject:
I still can't decide on what to get?
I've read up loads on what's good n bad etc and now I'm after a 37 inch, maybe 32 inch lcd tv.
With a res of 1920x---- and at least 60 hz refresh rate, i was told that the 50 hz screens all do 60z it is just that they are in the uk which uses 50z, well did do.
I also need a vga to hdmi cable to use the full 1920x--- res for my pc but have also heard even when the lcd have the full 1920x---- option, some tv are still limited even with the hmdi for pc cable?
Still want one for 500 pounds max.
Any links would be great as I'm really struggling on what to get?


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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 13:25    Post subject:
Theescapist wrote:
I still can't decide on what to get?
I've read up loads on what's good n bad etc and now I'm after a 37 inch, maybe 32 inch lcd tv.
With a res of 1920x---- and at least 60 hz refresh rate, i was told that the 50 hz screens all do 60z it is just that they are in the uk which uses 50z, well did do.
I also need a vga to hdmi cable to use the full 1920x--- res for my pc but have also heard even when the lcd have the full 1920x---- option, some tv are still limited even with the hmdi for pc cable?
Still want one for 500 pounds max.
Any links would be great as I'm really struggling on what to get?

Well first of all, VGA to HDMI does not exist as a single cable. There has to be some transformer in between, because VGA is an analog signal, where as HDMI is a digital signal. DVI is odd, because there's an analog and a digital format; you still can't convert from VGA to DVI-A (analog) to HDMI for example though.

However, MOST TV's now come with a VGA connection, which would be fine for your PC-to-TV connection. There's absolutely no point in trying to convert VGA or even a digital DVI signal to HDMI unless you don't have a VGA/DVI connection on the TV. Why? Because even though DVI is a lot like HDMI, it still lacks something: audio.

All TV's nowadays can also dynamically switch between 50 and 60 Hz without problems, so don't worry about that.


So I have a couple of questions for you:
- Do you have an HDMI output on your graphics card? Or better yet: what outputs does your graphics card have?
- Do you need the sound from your PC to go to the TV through the HDMI cable?

As for suggestions, LG 32LE5300 seems to be good or Sharp Aquos LC-32LE705E. All the Aquos TV's I've seen in the shop looked fucking amazing, but they do come with a pretty hefty pricetag. You can also consider Sony Bravia KDL-32EX600 - I've got the 42 inch version of this and I'm very satisfied with it.
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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 14:33    Post subject:
I'm looking at this now as it has excellent reviews.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-LE40B550A5-Widescreen-Crystal-Freeview/dp/B001UE8LW4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1281960593&sr=1-1

I'm not all clued up on this m8 but i think it was the dvi-hdmi cable i meant?
And i have a 4890 gig gfx card don't think there's a hdmi port on it?
Having looked no it just has the 2 standard dvi ports i think they are?
And the t.v you have is over budget for me m8, looks quality tho.

Also this?
http://www.sony.co.uk/product/t32-ex-series/kdl-40ex401/tab/technicalspecs

Found another seems better then the sony one above.
http://www.richersounds.com/product/lcd-tv/lg/42lf7700/lg-42lf77starstar


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It's around 550 euros over here, which would be just under 500 quid I think? Looking on Amazon gives a much higher price though, so weird :/

Anyway, as for the cabling, this is what you need: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CB-018-OK
Cheaper variants will do, but I do recommend spending a bit more on the cable as it'll reduce image noise quite a bit. From DVI on your 4890 to a HDMI port on the TV - set resolution to 1920x1080 and you're good to go. You may have a problem with your regular monitor though; does it have a native resolution of 1080p? (Just give me make/model if you don't know and I'll look it up).

As far as the TV goes, I do recommend getting Sony or Sharp over Samsung. Most Samsung's I've seen recently have quite poor contrasts, nowhere near what they're advertised as. Panasonic is a lot better, although they often don't have much special features in terms of ports and stuff. Samsung's older models are good though, those from early 2009 or before - they started using cheaper panels after that, which really shows Sad

Sony and Sharp both have different advantages. Image quality wise, Sharp is ahead of anyone - also shows in the price. Sony is a bit behind them on image quality, but the other features their TVs have make up for it.

Edit: just found this: http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/5061920/art/sony/kdl-32ex600-led-televisio.html
I don't know the shop at all as I'm not from the UK, but that's a much more realistic price.

On a sidenote: you may want to look for other models, because these EX600 models have a digital cable decoder built-in, which you may not need.
If you do have digital TV, you may need to check with Sky or whatever whether their smartcard can be used in this TV; my provider has a list of certified TVs to use with their smartcards Smile


Edit 2: that Sony is just as good as the EX600 series, just lacks a few features the bigger models have. Would be an excellent choice Smile
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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 15:06    Post subject:
pwerelds wrote:
It's around 550 euros over here, which would be just under 500 quid I think? Looking on Amazon gives a much higher price though, so weird :/

Anyway, as for the cabling, this is what you need: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CB-018-OK
Cheaper variants will do, but I do recommend spending a bit more on the cable as it'll reduce image noise quite a bit. From DVI on your 4890 to a HDMI port on the TV - set resolution to 1920x1080 and you're good to go. You may have a problem with your regular monitor though; does it have a native resolution of 1080p? (Just give me make/model if you don't know and I'll look it up).

As far as the TV goes, I do recommend getting Sony or Sharp over Samsung. Most Samsung's I've seen recently have quite poor contrasts, nowhere near what they're advertised as. Panasonic is a lot better, although they often don't have much special features in terms of ports and stuff. Samsung's older models are good though, those from early 2009 or before - they started using cheaper panels after that, which really shows Sad

Sony and Sharp both have different advantages. Image quality wise, Sharp is ahead of anyone - also shows in the price. Sony is a bit behind them on image quality, but the other features their TVs have make up for it.

Edit: just found this: http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/5061920/art/sony/kdl-32ex600-led-televisio.html

I don't know the shop at all, but that's a much more realistic price.

On a sidenote: you may want to look for other models, because these EX600 models have a digital cable decoder built-in, which you may not need.

If you do have digital TV, you may need to check with Sky or whatever whether their smartcard can be used in this TV; my provider has a list of certified TVs to use with their smartcards Smile


Thanks for helping again m8 much appreciated as I'm made loads of threads elsewhere and no one whatsoever has replied :s
I'm looking at these two now.
This lg one seems really good.

http://www.sony.co.uk/product/t32-ex-series/kdl-40ex401/tab/technicalspecs

Found another seems better then the sony one above.
http://www.richersounds.com/product/lcd-tv/lg/42lf7700/lg-42lf77starstar
I'm with virgin media (it's a chipped box lol ain't paying the dough they want).
I really can't budge one bit over 500 pounds m8.
Tight budget.
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