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Frant
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 Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 10:13 Post subject: Activision Wants Consoles to be Replaced by PCs |
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| Quote: | So basically, he just wants to make games for PC that will be played from the couch.
Today, we live in a multiplatform world. Many games that hit the PlayStation 3 are also on the Xbox 360, and some of those even make it to the PC. Due to hardware constraints, the Wii may get a watered down version of the software.
Activision, one of the leading cross platform publishers, wishes to move away from the "walled gardens" set by the likes of Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo.
Bobby Kotick, Activision CEO, told the Financial Times that it believes that the majority of Xbox Live subscribers pay Microsoft for the Xbox 360 online service just to play Modern Warfare – a subscription fee that Activision doesn't get any share of.
"We've heard that 60 per cent of [Microsoft's] subscribers are principally on Live because of Call of Duty," Kotick told FT. "We don't really participate financially in that income stream. We would really like to be able to provide much more value to those millions of players playing on Live, but it's not our network."
Of course, Activision has still made a tidy sum from the sales of Modern Warfare 2 and the $15 map packs that it inevitably sells millions of.
Kotick's solution to this is simply to turn to the PC, where it can set its own model for pricing – not unlike what Blizzard has done with World of Warcraft and Battle.net. He added that Activision would "very aggressively" support the likes of HP and Dell in any effort of making an easy 'plug-and-play' PC that would hook up directly to the TV. |
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/consoles-tv-modern-warfare-mw2,10804.html#xtor=RSS-181
Ahem... Wow... 
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 10:20 Post subject: |
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He's just pissed that he doesn't get any money from the xbox subscription, on the pc he can charge whatever he wants.
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garus
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 10:47 Post subject: |
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crossmr
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 11:26 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | So, common sense has prevailed... Cool |
No..greed has.
They want to go back to the PC so they can start charging for otherwise free multiplayer.
They want to take a model that has until now been free and start charging for it.
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 11:32 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 12:09 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 12:57 Post subject: Re: Activision Wants Consoles to be Replaced by PCs |
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| Frant wrote: | | Quote: | So basically, he just wants to make games for PC that will be played from the couch.
Today, we live in a multiplatform world. Many games that hit the PlayStation 3 are also on the Xbox 360, and some of those even make it to the PC. Due to hardware constraints, the Wii may get a watered down version of the software.
Activision, one of the leading cross platform publishers, wishes to move away from the "walled gardens" set by the likes of Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo.
Bobby Kotick, Activision CEO, told the Financial Times that it believes that the majority of Xbox Live subscribers pay Microsoft for the Xbox 360 online service just to play Modern Warfare – a subscription fee that Activision doesn't get any share of.
"We've heard that 60 per cent of [Microsoft's] subscribers are principally on Live because of Call of Duty," Kotick told FT. "We don't really participate financially in that income stream. We would really like to be able to provide much more value to those millions of players playing on Live, but it's not our network."
Of course, Activision has still made a tidy sum from the sales of Modern Warfare 2 and the $15 map packs that it inevitably sells millions of.
Kotick's solution to this is simply to turn to the PC, where it can set its own model for pricing – not unlike what Blizzard has done with World of Warcraft and Battle.net. He added that Activision would "very aggressively" support the likes of HP and Dell in any effort of making an easy 'plug-and-play' PC that would hook up directly to the TV. |
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/consoles-tv-modern-warfare-mw2,10804.html#xtor=RSS-181
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no you fuck .... aggggghhhhh when i read this... i see that ,he wants to make the PS3 and PC Experience a paid multiplayer service and the 360 will be fee less because they pay for live gold ... and then the M$ fucks will come and say its a exclusive feature to the 360
what a DICK move 
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tonizito
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 12:57 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | Will the greed NEVER end!? God, I just want to punch this fucking prick's face in!  |
Well, it would end if people stopped buying so much games from Activision, but we know that will probably never happen.
People complain and bitch whenever this guy says something but in a few weeks/months down the road a new CoD get's released and it goes from "FU kotick!!11!1" to "Oooooh shiny! Give it to me now!".
And you ended up buying MW2 after all... right Sabin? 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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I bought mine from a key warehouse ("Fell off the back of a lorry, Guv'nor!") at a wholesome price of £20 .. and I've not bought any of the DLC. Nor will I. Ever.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 13:20 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | I bought mine from a key warehouse ("Fell off the back of a lorry, Guv'nor!") at a wholesome price of £20 .. and I've not bought any of the DLC. Nor will I. Ever. |
Doesn't matter! You still bough it!
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| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 13:20 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | I bought mine from a key warehouse ("Fell off the back of a lorry, Guv'nor!") at a wholesome price of £20 .. and I've not bought any of the DLC. Nor will I. Ever. |
Really? I thought about doing that, but decided not to since I read that Activision banned several Steam accounts that had a "Grey Market" keys attached.
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 13:22 Post subject: |
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| maul_inc wrote: | | sabin1981 wrote: | | I bought mine from a key warehouse ("Fell off the back of a lorry, Guv'nor!") at a wholesome price of £20 .. and I've not bought any of the DLC. Nor will I. Ever. |
Really? I thought about doing that, but decided not to since I read that Activision banned several Steam accounts that had a "Grey Market" keys attached. |
They did that with the keys that came from asia or something only...and maybe some russian keys as well. |
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Eventually, all MP will probably be P2P. That's wghen gaming (at least MP) will die.
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Karmeck
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 14:26 Post subject: |
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This coulg give more games to pc, I say, go for it.
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 14:30 Post subject: |
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| Karmeck wrote: | | This coulg give more games to pc, I say, go for it. |
looks like you didn't read the article
he is angry about not getting the share from Live gold and thats why he wants to add a subscription fee to they next PS3 and PC games that use Multiplayer components |
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 14:36 Post subject: |
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you would hope if this greedy plan ever comes to fruition they would at the very least patch up all the hacks and cheats floating about in the online games on a regular basis, and take a hard stance against all the online cheaters. in fact it should be mandatory for a subscription based game.
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LMLM
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 14:38 Post subject: |
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What's with the pure vitriol for people running a business and making a living? As long as you have a choice, what's wrong with it? You have a right to be an upset customer, sure. Just vote with your wallet. It's not personal. If you take it personally, you are just making a hell for yourself. What a waste of energy to get furious about his business 'desires'.
Kotick's opinion is valid. His desire to move games to the more open and free PC platform seems genuine and a good idea. People buy consoles for convenience. So HP/Dell/etc need to create a 'stupid/lazy/non-technical gamer' segment they will sell to which is what the consoles do well. Someone should be able to install+play a game on them just as easily as with a console.
The PC is the best overall gaming platform out there for many reasons. As consumers we can be glad Kotick wants us on the much more free and open PC platform.
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 14:44 Post subject: |
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| LMLM wrote: |
Kotick's opinion is valid. His desire to move games to the more open and free PC platform seems genuine and a good idea. |
A "more open and free PC platform"? Are you blind? did you even SEE the reason why he wants this? "Free" my arse! He wants this so he can charge whatever the fuck he wants for his games, subscriptions too, and keep all the money for himself. He's a greedy cunt and people who defend that attitude are ALSO the bane of the industry. Period.
He's already got his fucking thirty pieces of silver for the games, now he wants MOAR. That's nothing less than greed.
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I have nothing wrong with people running a business and making a living just so long as it does not preclude the ability of me to enjoy my hobby.
Kotick is driven by one thing - greed. He wants to move away from consoles so he can make all of the profits from it instead of Microsoft and sony. Remember him complaining about not receiving any revenue from XBL? Yeah, its just an extension of that.
He has been quoted time and time again about how much he doesn't like games, how he wants to take the fun out of game developing, and so on. He isn't doing this out of the good of his heart because it is good for gamers, quite the opposite. He is doing this because it would be good for his shareholders and wallet, nothing else.
All of his decisions have been for maximizing profit, not maximizing the customer experience.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 14:49 Post subject: |
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My Russian keys agree with Bobby Kotick.
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Ashok0
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 14:56 Post subject: Re: Activision Wants Consoles to be Replaced by PCs |
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| Quote: | | Activision would "very aggressively" support the likes of HP and Dell in any effort of making an easy 'plug-and-play' PC that would hook up directly to the TV. |
Ya baby we need to make computers more easy to operate!!!! They are SOOOOOO hard to use! I mean, you have to physically plug a TV in somewhere on the back!!! And you have to find this round thingy and stick the audio thingy inside of it! And the computer needs to constantly have electricity pushed inside of it with a complex procedure like pumping blood into a vampire victim. And just to turn it on you have to put your hand on the thingy, this is so hard!!!!!
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chiv
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 14:58 Post subject: |
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| tskiller wrote: | I have nothing wrong with people running a business and making a living just so long as it does not preclude the ability of me to enjoy my hobby.
Kotick is driven by one thing - greed. He wants to move away from consoles so he can make all of the profits from it instead of Microsoft and sony. Remember him complaining about not receiving any revenue from XBL? Yeah, its just an extension of that.
He has been quoted time and time again about how much he doesn't like games, how he wants to take the fun out of game developing, and so on. He isn't doing this out of the good of his heart because it is good for gamers, quite the opposite. He is doing this because it would be good for his shareholders and wallet, nothing else.
All of his decisions have been for maximizing profit, not maximizing the customer experience. |
look, as much as i love being a gamer, and as a gamer nothing pisses me off when i feel like the developers/publishers dont give a shit about my wants/needs, i gotta say... this IS a fucking business and NOT a charity. this IS about maximizing profit, and he has no duty to make sure that gamers needs are catered for... as long as whatever he does brings in more money, then hes doing HIS job correctly, and i cant fault him for that. i can hate him for it, but i i just cant call the guy out for doing shit that allow his BUSINESS to make MON-EY... and yeah, dammit, he should give shit about making money for his shareholders... whats wrong with that? without investment, and those returns, there would be no business. If i have shares in a company, i fucking EXPECT that damn company to do whatever it can to return my investment.
hate him all you want for being a prick, but hating a BUSINESS MAN for MAKING MONEY is just immature and petty ignorance - by all means be BITTER at the guy for doing something that gets in the way of you 'enjoying your hobby', just dont spend the bulk of the post ranting on about how pissed you are at a business man trying to make sure that his company makes good money...
i mean, shit... im 'bitter' about fox, universal, paramount etc.. not releasing movies on blu-ray before they go to cinemas so i can download my hd movies without waiting 6 months for them to come out... but im not going to rag on them for being 'ruthless assholes' by putting them in cinemas first so that those 'evil fuckers' can make a bit of cash, instead of being all about ME and MY WANTS.
activision may be cunts to us 'gamers', but they're doing what any business should try to do - be as successful as they possibly can.
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Ashok0
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 15:01 Post subject: |
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Well chiv I understand your point BUT there is a difference between making a profit by evolving as an industry (VALVe, Blizzard, Bioware, CDProjekt), and making a profit by DEVOLVING as an industry (Activision).
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I seriously hope someone shoots this man soon.
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chiv
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2010 15:09 Post subject: |
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ok dont use valve as an example, because theyve definately sold out and become more about the 'profit' than the gamers.
they cared at a point, but we're definately passed that. yeah im still bitter about that whole left 4 dead debacle... why can they manage to support something like tf2 for YEARS, with content, new weapons, events, achievements... really keeping the community going... then turn around, charge full price for a multiplayer game promising the same support, but dump it immediately in favour of a full priced sequel? greed. flat out greed... so valve is no different than other devs/publishers... not as bad as activision, but they arent the valiant wholesome defenders of pc gaming like they once were...
i like cdproject reds first 'attempt' and customer relations, and their first game... i have hopes for them like im sure most of us do, but im definately not ready to believe that theyre in it for the long haul...
i just dont see ANY gaming defenders left... i dont really see anyone anymore who is on our side, apart from small time independent developers... but shit.. all these 'big boys' were once small time... and they all cared back then, because they NEEDED us... the problem is that they always grow up and leave us behind - its ALWAYS happened.
also, blizzard is part of activision...
my point is that yes sure any industry will thrive when there is a give and take interaction with the customer base... thats why i said, by all means see activision as jerks for not listening to us or caring about gamers, but signaling out their desire to maximize profit as a goal that is 'bad' is just flat out silly... thats the only issue i have.
so yeah, activision are jerks BECAUSE theyre jerks, not because their profit orientated.
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