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I love the irony of talking about profit, piracy and "death of PC gaming" on a Blizzard game thread.
Yes i found it funny to because everybody known they will sell one zillions copy of SC2 !!!
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2010 04:44 Post subject: |
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Blizzard are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Instead of pushing gameplay forward, they are rehashing old and outdated ideas, and when their game sells over 9000 million copies, lets see how many strategy games "go back to the roots" to try and cash in on the Starcraft success. 
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2010 04:52 Post subject: |
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| BruceWayne17 wrote: | I love the irony of talking about profit, piracy and "death of PC gaming" on a Blizzard game thread.
Yes i found it funny to because everybody known they will sell one zillions copy of SC2 !!! |
That is true! The games made by small studios that need to sell every copy they can, do not sell well while giants like Blizzard hog all the sales.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2010 05:25 Post subject: |
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It has nothing to do with technology. Something like Company of Heroes is orders of magnitude better than this poop.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2010 05:29 Post subject: |
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I agree entirely. I don't understand what people see in this game. It's just a prettier (not that pretty) version of SC1.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2010 05:47 Post subject: |
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Hey, I've been calling this poop for the same reasons since long before last few pages. 
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2010 05:52 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Hey, I've been calling this poop for the same reasons since long before last few pages. |
Well, I called this poop for over 9000 years now, plus a few pages back
Anyway, I agree blizz is part of the problem, but there's another reason. They're simply too big, and although technically they are not a monopoly, they can afford too much commercial time. Now don't take me for a commie here, I'm far from it, but you have to admit, there is no more contest in the PC gaming world these days, and it's purely because of the money.
And the more of the same you give to people, the more of the same they are guaranteed to NEED. That's what's happening in all the "artistic" industries. Rehashed shit is a safe bet, and the times when intellectuals were trend setters are long gone, and I have a very good single word argument for that: twilight.
Yes, it's very doom and gloom, but I think we're in the biggest creative recession the human history has ever seen.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2010 06:05 Post subject: |
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well i was hating on blizzard way back before it was cool, so there.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2010 06:19 Post subject: |
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So why does every RTS need to be CoH all of a sudden or is it just because it's a Blizzard game?
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2010 06:21 Post subject: |
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@djaoni
So you ask why every game has to be good? 
Where have I said Starcraft has to be CoH? I just proposed it as an example of a good strategy which has pushed the genre forward instead of stomping in place like Starcraft 2.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2010 06:24 Post subject: |
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If Starcraft 2 was different everyone would be jabbering about Blizzard ruining what made the Starcraft franchise so great.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2010 06:33 Post subject: |
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We all hated on C&C4, and rightly so, because it was a very bad game, but at least it tried to change the chewed old formula of C&C3, which was for all intents and purposes same old as the previous ones, with better graphics.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2010 07:45 Post subject: |
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It remains a matter of taste.
I simply find games like DOW2 to be a different kind of game, not an actual successor of old school RTS games.
As for StarCraft 2... I already said I'm afraind the taste of Deja Vu will be too strong for me.
But I've read a number of people who have been demanding an updated version of Age of Empires 2, and I imagine it was the case for StarCraft too. No idea if those pople were in really large number, but they're out there.
| Ashok0 wrote: | qft, 2 of the best RTS games I've ever played are Red Alert and StarCraft. I don't get people who bash this game for being similar to the first game. Why change a perfect formula? I miss RTS games that had both fun MP AND an in depth single player with engaging stories and rocking FMVs. I'm really excited about the Wings of Liberty campaign.
Oh well, for any haters who prefer all these new hot "improved" strategy games, I'm sure there will be more CoH games coming out for you. |
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2010 07:50 Post subject: |
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Quality of clicks? Where is the added quality, here? It's just the aspect micro-management of your units.
As of quantity of clicks in old school RTS games, it's very narrow-minded to only refer to that as a quantity of clicks. You have to manage more aspects of the game, and remember to accomplish more tasks. Not of less quality than micromanaging military units.
In Age of Mythology - The Titans, ES introduced a repeat button to produce a chosen serie of units again and again (auto-queue). A lot of the best players (those who post replays online, which high ELO ratings) have been complaining about that feature, claiming it dumbed down the game. I guess it's why it wasn't there anymore in AOE III.
| Radicalus wrote: | | Because I think quality if clicks should out weigh the quantity of clicks. Blizzard = quantity. Relic = quality. |
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2010 09:35 Post subject: |
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Like i said before, they have a 10 million korean market that they need to cater for this, so i'm sure that's why they hardly touched the multiplayer. They basically revamped the graphics, but not to much, so that everyone with a laptop can play it.
I just hope they've made an epic single player experience.
In my view COH will still hold the crown for the best multiplayer RTS out there.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2010 10:43 Post subject: |
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| Pl@tinum wrote: | Like i said before, they have a 10 million korean market that they need to cater for this, so i'm sure that's why they hardly touched the multiplayer. They basically revamped the graphics, but not to much, so that everyone with a laptop can play it.
I just hope they've made an epic single player experience.
In my view COH will still hold the crown for the best multiplayer RTS out there. |
So i guess you never played any blizzard game, period.
Blizzard was never about over the top graphics, it was always about a) gameplay and b) artistic coherence.
And fyi, COH never held the crown of anything (i remind you, coh is dow in ww2 settings)
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2010 12:56 Post subject: |
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| Sin317 wrote: | | Pl@tinum wrote: | Like i said before, they have a 10 million korean market that they need to cater for this, so i'm sure that's why they hardly touched the multiplayer. They basically revamped the graphics, but not to much, so that everyone with a laptop can play it.
I just hope they've made an epic single player experience.
In my view COH will still hold the crown for the best multiplayer RTS out there. |
So i guess you never played any blizzard game, period.
Blizzard was never about over the top graphics, it was always about a) gameplay and b) artistic coherence.
And fyi, COH never held the crown of anything (i remind you, coh is dow in ww2 settings) |
That's why we all love Blizzard. They make games, not tech demos. Still that doesn't change the fact that Starcraft 2 multiplayer didn't innovate almost anything from the 1st.
Is it gonna be an orgy for the Korean clickers? I'm sure it will, but for those hoping for a new standard in the rts genre, like me, it feels disappointing.
So if coh is dow in a ww2 setting, and i admit they are comparable, is it so hard to see that starcraft 2 is the 1st with a new clothing?
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2010 12:59 Post subject: |
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Starcraft 2 IS Starcraft TWO, the second. Nobody asked them reinvent the rts genre, some people just expect that by default. If you want a "new" RTS, dont ask for a sequel to an existing one.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2010 13:10 Post subject: |
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| Sin317 wrote: | | Starcraft 2 IS Starcraft TWO, the second. Nobody asked them reinvent the rts genre, some people just expect that by default. If you want a "new" RTS, dont ask for a sequel to an existing one. |
I'm sorry i disagree. You feel perfectly fine playing the same game with a few tweaks 12 years after, but i don't.
It's weird though, 'cause Diablo 3, from what we can see from the videos, is gonna be way more than diablo 2 with a new skin, and that's what i hoped for starcraft 2.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2010 13:19 Post subject: |
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@Pl@tinum
Probably because there isn't aren't as zealot dinosaur fan base which trembles at the wake of even the tiniest change. Had they made some changes, they would probably have a Korean Zerg rush fueled by nerd rage.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2010 13:20 Post subject: |
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But then life can be like that hey?
Cheers!
| Pl@tinum wrote: | | Sin317 wrote: | | Starcraft 2 IS Starcraft TWO, the second. Nobody asked them reinvent the rts genre, some people just expect that by default. If you want a "new" RTS, dont ask for a sequel to an existing one. |
I'm sorry i disagree. You feel perfectly fine playing the same game with a few tweaks 12 years after, but i don't.
It's weird though, 'cause Diablo 3, from what we can see from the videos, is gonna be way more than diablo 2 with a new skin, and that's what i hoped for starcraft 2. |
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