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Horrordee
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 Posted: Fri, 9th Jul 2010 14:24 Post subject: Windows 7 Codecs! {Acer Revo} |
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Ok, so heres the deal.
I have a new Acer Revo dual core thingy mah-jig!
I've done a clear install of Windows 7 x64 Ultimate, which went fine.
I've updated the ION drivers, and the NVIDIA drivers.
I've installed Haali splitter.
I am using Media Centre to play videos, along with MediaBrowser plugin. I see all of my movies, however only certain videos play. The ION chipset should hardware decode x264 files so I should be fine, however WMC struggles to play some MKVs (I believe DTS audio ones). Infact, i find even on divx avi's the audio goes out of sync!
Do I need to install some other codec / ffdshow? Last time I tried this (before the clean install), my x262 vids were laggy and didn't play well at all..
The same applies to the shark 007 codec pack (which I am now not a fan of).
someone please help! Should haali be all I need to play EVERY video and audio properly on W7?
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Jul 2010 14:47 Post subject: |
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Use this tool:
http://www.codecguide.com/windows7_preferred_filter_tweaker.htm
My suggestion is to use the latest build of "ffdshow tryouts" for everything else but h264, and CoreAVC (with CUDA enabled for acceleration) for h264 decoding, and disable all the Microsoft codecs completely with the tool above, so that WMC knows to use your codecs).
If you have questions, or something doesn't work (usually with WMC nothing is simple  ), ask away. 
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Horrordee
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Jul 2010 14:50 Post subject: |
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Ok, I did try that before, and set ffdshow to everything, however the mkv playback was mega jerky!
With regards to ffdshow tryouts, should I be getting a beta x64 build, or just the standard latest version?
Should I change any of the settings in ffdshow, or leave as is? How do I make CoreAVC the default for h264, but ffdshow for everything else?
CoreAVC I assume has a CUDA setting in it then? I assume that'll use the ION hardware as apposed to my crappy 1.6Ghz dual core CPU?
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Jul 2010 14:56 Post subject: |
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When you install ffdshow tryouts, you can select to decode everything with it from the install, but even if you don't choose that, run both the video and audio settings, go to codecs, right click and select "set all supported to libav". Then go to the H264 entry and disable that one. For WMC you will need the 64-bit version of ffdshow tryouts (CoreAVC comes with both 32-bit and 64-bit decoders, so no worries). You want to use CoreAVC 2.0 (and hopefully soon, 2.1, but you never know with these lazy devs). When you install CoreAVC it sets itself as the default anyway, but it is better to install it after ffdshow tryouts. Then in CoreAVC settings, make sure "prefer CUDA" is selected.
Now go to the tool above and disable all the Microsoft decoders, which are somewhat inefficient, especially for a nettop. Then select all the codecs there to be ffdshow tryouts, and CoreAVC for H264.
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Horrordee
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Jul 2010 15:08 Post subject: |
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Ok, going to give it a try, thanks for all the tips...
And this way, DXVA and my ION chip should take care of all video processing? be it x264, xvid, etc?
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Jul 2010 15:21 Post subject: |
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Well, you'll be using CUDA for x264/h264 decoding, but yes, it's hardware accelerated. 
For Xvid you have nothing to worry about.
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Jul 2010 16:05 Post subject: |
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Do I need to get the latest SVN 64 bit version of ffdshow?
aka:
ffdshow_rev3507_20100707_clsid_x64.exe ??
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Jul 2010 16:05 Post subject: |
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As a sidenote: don't get the "official" ffdshow tryouts beta, it's already outdated (released in February). Always get a compile from xvidvideo.ru, they have recent builds.
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Jul 2010 16:08 Post subject: |
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Sorry, isn't ffdshow_rev3507_20100707_clsid_x64.exe available from the x64 SVN page of the main ffdshow tryouts page not ok?
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Jul 2010 16:09 Post subject: |
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Yes, it's perfect. I didn't even know they had svn builds on the official site.
Ignore my previous post.
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Jul 2010 16:10 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Jul 2010 16:45 Post subject: |
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Nope, i've just done everything exactly as you described:
installed haali
installed x64 ffdshow tryouts
installed coreavc
disabled all microsoft codecs, and make everything ffdshow except for x264 which is coreavc
and still i get told it cannot play file in windows media player x86 - do i need to install ffdshow x86 as well as x64?...
if i open a 720p mkv in media player x64, it does work, however it loads ffdshow video and audio, and struggles to play back smoothly... I guess its not using dxva!
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Jul 2010 16:58 Post subject: |
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Ok so now that ffdshow isn't dealing with video on x264, i have to deal with shitty subtitles again. so many films have subs encoded into the mkv and are on by default. why cant release groups sort that out!
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Jul 2010 17:18 Post subject: |
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You need a 32bit compile of ffdshow for 32bit players and a 64bit compile for 64bit players, sadly that's how it goes.
You can use ffdshow for subtitle rendering even if it isn't used as decoder. Among the supported video formats (where you disabled h264 decoding) is a setting for uncompressed video. If you set it to "all supported formats", everything you decode will be passed to ffdshow first and you can use the subtitle filter.
CoreAVC will decode the video, ffdshow gets the decoded video and adds subtitles, video with subtitles is rendered.
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Jul 2010 20:02 Post subject: |
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and are subs better with ffdshow?
aka so many releases I get have full english subs hardcoded which appear.
All i want are NON english subs, enabled automatically, every time?
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2010 00:20 Post subject: |
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Ok new issue, when watching MKVs (video is totally smooth, cpu at <30% useage) CoreAVC is used for video and ffdshow for audio.
Unfortunately, the video is now slightly ahead of the audio. Everything plays exactly as it should, I just guess the coreavc is quicker than the ffdshow audio? Anyway to sync them up, or delay only x264 audio in ffdshow? xvid works fine - spot on!
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2010 01:42 Post subject: |
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| Horrordee wrote: | | and are subs better with ffdshow? |
Your previous post sounded like you had a perfect solution with ffdshow but now, since it isn't used for decoding anymore, your solution doesn't work and you need to deal with it again. | Horrordee wrote: | | Ok so now that ffdshow isn't dealing with video on x264, i have to deal with shitty subtitles again. |
Don't have a clue about the sync issue though, could be related to WMP. If you really care about it, try to use MPC-HC, make sure it uses CoreAVC for video and ffdshow for audio and see if the same problem occurs.
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2010 04:02 Post subject: |
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| Horrordee wrote: | | Unfortunately, the video is now slightly ahead of the audio. Everything plays exactly as it should, I just guess the coreavc is quicker than the ffdshow audio? Anyway to sync them up, or delay only x264 audio in ffdshow? xvid works fine - spot on! |
Well things don't work that way  (one codec is faster at decoding so it plays first)
Lets have us a try at something else. Get the latest release of AC3Filter, which is also a decoder for most audio types (remember to disable DTS and AC3 in ffdshow audio settings). See if that is better.
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Jul 2010 07:29 Post subject: |
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I use K-lite myself but if you have the time and a bit of knowledge about these things installing just what you need is better and much cleaner, K-Lite and the CCCP are fairly stable and updated often though (K-Lite was updated again yesterday.) but also includes a lot of extras that probably isn't needed though there are a few pre-compiled editions to choose from to help with this and it's easy to customize further, fairly well configured otherwise.
(x64 compatible though that's only for the x64 WMPlayer or Media Center, supports DXVA as well via MPC-HC and FFDShow or how you set it up but for ATI it's a bit buggy to do such playback so I rely on the CPU still.)
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Edit: Some of the FFD components (FFDSHOW, etc), do have problems with older games like Freelancer, and I think X3 even have problems with it being installed, if you still play them.. I know the Win7 default drivers fall off-sync for some reason without it..and since I play Freelancer quite a bit I find myself constantly removing and installing K-Lite. .. kinda sucks since it's such an awesome package.
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Also an important thing to know, configuring the installation and the installed components afterwards is important, in this example setting FFDShow to only allow "whitelisted" apps would solve this problem.
(K-Lite is updating that frequently so it's fairly up to date about which players to allow and which programs to allow or block, pretty sure most incompatible games and programs are already flagged.)
(Along with the utility Inatan linked to above to set Windows 7 behavior, though it's included in K-Lite as well.)
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