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buggy games make people want to buy new cards ... it a conspiracy i tell ya hehe ... and the price of the latest cards are outrageous ... if the same card could cost 400$ less in 2 years then why not put the latest cards out at 100$ ? you know for a fact it cost them about 2 bucks to make a dern electronic board with a mounting bracket and plastic fan cmon... THEN every boy and girl would upgrade every year and run triple sli 8800s' for a few months until the next cards come out ... THEN PC gaming would be the way to go for many more people .. that would be the word on the street so-to-speak ... but 1500$ triple sli settup compared to 600$ to get settup nicely with a console AND the fact that ur triple sli will be outdated in 3-4 months and the console wil lbe good for two+ years .... the choice for most people is clear ...
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Nov 2006 14:19 Post subject: |
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Today's consoles are far from perfect, they can freeze and crash a lot, and some games lag on them too. Games on consoles require patching too.
Many people who owns an Xbox360 knowns what I am talking about.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Nov 2006 14:30 Post subject: |
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| Siddhartha wrote: | | There will always be a market for PC gaming, however the PC gaming market seems to be shrinking even as the number of computer users rises. |
Because there is far too many people with too much money to waste. It's not often a choice between 'do I buy the console or do I buy the PC?' It's 'I'll buy the console and keep using my medium/low grade PC for non-gaming stuff. I can game on one and surf on the other.' It doesn't take a beefcake machine to surf the web, check email or even be a virtual jukebox and movie theater.
Or worse yet, you get parents saying shit like 'I'll buy little Jeffy this XBOX so he will leave my computer alone.' I would be willing to wager that a large large majority of households with a console in them also have a computer.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Nov 2006 14:31 Post subject: |
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| Parallax_ wrote: | Today's consoles are far from perfect, they can freeze and crash a lot, and some games lag on them too. Games on consoles require patching too.
Many people who owns an Xbox360 knowns what I am talking about. |
well at least it goes silent,not like u have to surf web & think which version u got eu or us lol
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Nov 2006 14:37 Post subject: |
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| ELIZ wrote: | | well at least it goes silent,not like u have to surf web & think which version u got eu or us lol |
When you buy a game, like you do on consoles, you don't! And even if you pirated a PC game, you must be pretty goddamn stupid to not know the difference.
Honestly, the only negative thing about computers is that they costs shitloads to maintain. Every year you need to upgrade to see the best graphics with a great framerate.
Also, FPS and RTS will always be better on computers because of the control issues on consoles. |
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nightlith
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Nov 2006 14:45 Post subject: |
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well in all honesty, how many of us were gamers who grew up during the "gaming boom"? Who started out on Atari's, Coleco's, Commodore's and the rest? Where are we now, our late 20's early 30's? We have kids, wives, husbands, responsibilities like car payments maybe even mortgages. Aside from the top tier making uber money, who has the kinds of cash to really keep up with trends in the pc world? At this point I mostly use my pc for non gaming pleasures like video editing, browsing nforce  email and stuff like that.
And with games getting larger and larger (8gb Splinter Cell?? No fucking thank you) instal times increase further adding to the frustration of not being able to play a game as soon as you pop the disc in. I don't have lots of consecutive hours to sit infront of a pc, fiddling with drivers, patches, installs, and bugs. When I want to play a game, I want to play a game. I think that should be true for most of us.
For me consoles are the obvious answer. And with no option to upgrade, you put a ceiling on how good a game can actually look. Once you tap out a systems graphics processing power, what's left to work on? Gameplay.
There's obviously still areas where consoles lack that the PC will probably always lead in, but IMHO constant upgrading is a bane of pc gaming, not a boon. How long till DX11? How long before SM4? How long until I have to shell out another $1000 just to play games that will look marginally better than a game on a 360? And why is looking better our baseline? I could dress up my pinto in a Lambo body, but it'd still be a pinto underneath. These are games people, not movies. We play them for fun. (Disclaimer: I don't mean you can have one or the other, obviously the game that both looks good and plays good will get high marks, my arguement is simply on the issue of comparing games based on form rather than function).
i can has computar?!
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Nov 2006 14:52 Post subject: |
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ok ok we know you have a sexbox 720 and you love it.
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Nov 2006 14:59 Post subject: |
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Of course people with no time on their hands will prefer a console, it's just a matter of viewpoint, what you do with your time. But if you haven't even got time to install a game (usually 5 minutes), then I think you really have too little time for your hobby, as an average game takes a lot of time to play through.
Drivers? You don't have to continously update your drivers, once a year is enough, and then you only have to update the graphics driver really. That is unless you have big problems with your setup.
Bugs? The latest generation console games have them too. The 360 have many games that have and will get patches in the future. The console can freeze up on you, crash, or just totally stop working so that you have to send it for repairs - same shit with a PC really.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Nov 2006 15:15 Post subject: |
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How many PC's blow up in their first year on earth? Whereas there are 1000's of retarded 360's clogging up land fill sites all over the world.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Nov 2006 15:22 Post subject: |
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We're getting specific here, which isn't a good thing. The 360 was rushed out and as such has hardware faults which were'nt picked up during the (obviously short) Q&A. But they replace them for free, and the latest 360's don't have these problems, or so we're led to believe.
I expect there are also thousands of PC components clogging up land fill sites too. It's not exactly difficult to fuck up your PC if you don't know what you're doing.
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Ankh
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Nov 2006 16:10 Post subject: |
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I like gaming with keyboard & mouse
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Nov 2006 22:30 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | We're getting specific here, which isn't a good thing. The 360 was rushed out and as such has hardware faults which were'nt picked up during the (obviously short) Q&A. But they replace them for free, and the latest 360's don't have these problems, or so we're led to believe.
I expect there are also thousands of PC components clogging up land fill sites too. It's not exactly difficult to fuck up your PC if you don't know what you're doing. |
the main problem with the original 360's is the colder solder joint on the southbridge and the bad heat transfer on the GPU also sitting the dvd rom right ontop of the gpu heatsink didnt help when i took my dvd rom out of my xbox360 recently you could see the marks clearly the gpu heatsink had made on it. But saying that mine rarely freezes only 2 games really burnout revenge when connected to live (a bug EA seem to ignore almost everyone gets the lobby freeze) and splintercell DA has frozen a coupla times other than that no problems i jammed on gears of war for 8 hours non stop yesterday and nothing to report so it obviously isnt a problem with the games pushing the hardware its more down to bugs in the development process that will no doubt be ironed out.
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CaptainCox
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Nov 2006 22:32 Post subject: |
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Covering my ass here. Getting a "chipped" 360, New 24" Dell or Samsung, NV 8800GTX, 2 G Corsair Dominator, 6600 dual core, and whatever Mobo from ASUS that does the job.
Xmas bonus is SCHWEET!
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crossmr
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Nov 2006 23:12 Post subject: |
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Same FUD different thread. PC gaming has been "dying" for 20 years, its still here.
It isn't going anywhere, regardless of what anyone thinks. People bitch about the upgrade cycle, but they're idiots. Unless you're upgrading to the bear minimum every time you upgrade,you can easily do upgrades that last more than a year.
It doesn't require the top of the line $4000 computer of the moment to play whatever game is released that day.
The long and short of it is that PC gaming will always be superior to console gaming regardless of how anyone tries to make it seem. PCs will always be more open than consoles, can do everything a console can do, and you're not locked in to a single configuration for the life of the console. Not worrying about the "upgrade" cycle is the same as not worrying about games getting any better.
There is more longterm compatibility with PCs than there are with consoles, and keeping up can be a matter of dropping settings in a couple years, or upgrading 1 piece of hardware. With a console, keeping up means replacing it all, and possibly having to hang on to your old console if you ever want to play those games again.
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JackQ
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jun 2010 16:55 Post subject: |
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I found an Interesting,10 pages article about PC vs Consoles,Piracy and DRM
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I find also a criticism comment against this article:
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It's a good explanation of the problem for the most part. However, the guy fails when he tries to compare PC and consoles for a number of reasons:
1. He assumes that GPU sales give an accurate representation of the install base of gaming PCs. This is really stupid since only a few GPU models per generation are the kinds of cards that someone building a gaming rig would buy. The majority of GPU sales come from low-end models bought by system builders like Dell, HP, etc. for use in media center and "high end" consumer PCs. It also fails to account for the fact that gaming-grade GPUs can only be bought online. You'd be lucky to find anything higher than a 5670 at a brick and mortar store (indeed, the highest GPU I could find when browsing Frys, Best Buy, and Microcenter was a 5770 which I could only find at Microcenter). As a result, most consumers upgrading their hardware would buy a non-gaming grade GPU. Furthermore, GPUs are not used exclusively for gaming. Both ATI and nVidia have an entirely separate line of GPUs intended for use in workstations (FirePro and Quadro respectively) which also make up a massive amount of GPU sales (since these cards are bought in bulk by companies that need workstations such as engineering firms and visual design studios). Thus, he vastly overestimates the number of gaming PCs. Indeed, everyday experience should tell us that console gamers are far more numerous than PC gamers. How many people do you know who primarily game on PC as opposed to who primarily game on consoles? Hell, how many people do you know period that seriously game on the PC? Even if you have no friends, one look at Gamespot's forums provides more evidence that PC is the least played gaming platform (Wii, PS3, and X360 forums each have more posts than PC & Mac gaming).
2. He underestimates the rate of piracy on consoles. While it's true that PS3 game piracy is extremely low, the same cannot be said for any other system. The X360 is quite pirated as well (it's most pirated games usually pirated over a million times) although admittedly this isn't as high as the PC. However, Wii and DS piracy IS as high as PC piracy thanks to how easy it is. Yet what do we see? Games still flock to the DS and Wii.
3. He fails to account for the large rise in console install bases over the last ten years which has dwarfed the growth of PC gaming, and resulted in console sales eclipsing those of PC sales.
4. He fails to account for the fact that Steam sales are still very impressive.
5. When citing lack of PC exclusives as proof that piracy has negatively affected PC gaming, he fails to account for the trend of dying exclusives even on consoles. Even last gen exclusives on consoles typically remained exclusives on that specific console. This gen we've seen very few true exclusives. Rather what has been happening is that after several months or a year the "exclusive" will come out on the other system(s) as well.
6. He fails to notice that despite only a 6 million unit difference between the 360 and the PS3, and the X360's MUCH larger piracy problem (as already noted), and the fact that the PS3 is arguably more powerful than the 360, the PS3 still has far fewer games than the X360 and tends to get the short end of the stick when it comes to port quality. He also fails to note that this is pretty much true for every console gen (with the exception of the SNES and Genesis as they were evenly tied) in that there is always one dominant console whereas the rest get shafted (and typically the console with the lowest install base is barely alive. Last gen was a perfect example). This is a rather serious problem for his argument that he fails to address.
6. He tries to cite Macs as an example of how piracy killed a platform. This is beyond moronic since anyone who knows even a little about the history of computer gaming knows why Macs died. It was a combination of a lower install base, being a closed platform, and Microsoft's introduction of DirectX that killed off Mac gaming. He also fails to acknowledge the launch of Steam on Mac (although granted his article may have been written before that happened).
7. He completely fails to mention that PC piracy is nothing new and was around even before gaming PCs became capable of 3D graphics (one of the original anti-piracy measures developers used was to refer you to the instruction booklet and have you type in a word found on a particular page).
I do believe that piracy is a problem on PC and I don't think that anyone can argue otherwise. I don't believe, however, that it's so serious as to be killing PC gaming. Rather, I think the real cause of the decline of PC gaming over the past 10 years or so has been the emergence of consoles as the dominant gaming platform. Piracy has helped contribute to PC gaming's decline, but even if there was no piracy I don't think that the situation today would be very different. |
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jun 2010 17:09 Post subject: |
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That article is old and has been posted here a couple of times afaik.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jun 2010 18:17 Post subject: |
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Not to mention the fact that it's pretty shit. Good job resurrecting an ancient thread btw 
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jun 2010 18:21 Post subject: |
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I miss CaptainCox 
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JackQ
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jun 2010 18:43 Post subject: |
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I thought this article quite new,and I didn't wanted to open a new thread for this...
sorry guys. this old thread need to be locked.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jun 2010 19:23 Post subject: |
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i dont understand whats the problem.. they can release a console game first then do a good port for pc a few months later... probably the mllions they could make is not enough as the "billions" they could get if pirates didnt exists. "Evil face"
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jun 2010 19:29 Post subject: |
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the future is now and the way i see it consoles already won...
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