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so guys if they made a movie now in which they say that the island is an alien ancient spaceship brought here on earth by aliens from the omega 89 planet to study us and shit and that the black smoke is an alien trapped in the island that would destory earth if he left + a lot of pew pew pew ...would you be happy ? 
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 13:22 Post subject: |
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| Laurentiu499 wrote: | | so guys if they made a movie now in which they say that the island is an alien ancient spaceship brought here on earth by aliens from the omega 89 planet to study us and shit and that the black smoke is an alien trapped in the island that would destory earth if he left + a lot of pew pew pew ...would you be happy ? |
Your inability to follow what me and many others are criticizing amazes me...
If the ending satisfied you then don't bother posting back here because you are either cognitively disabled or just really really stupid.
The reason we are all felling such rage for the finale is because of something extremely simple to understand, they went to all this trouble during the last 5 years to make everything have possible 3 or 4 different interpretations, each one of them could answer a mistery one way or the other and they just throw all that into the garbage and pull a happy heaven ridiculous finale? They made the show in such a way that EVERYTHING could be explained and they discarded all of that to do the shit that they did?
To answer your question, yes I would be happy with ANYTHING more they could do to give a fucking resolution to the show, the show just didn't end in any way shape or form, they just had a very expensive and long episode and call it the finale, the story, the questions, everything was left unanswered, they always said that the show was about the characters and would give them proper resolutions, THEY DIDN'T, are you going to say that happy heaven reunion is a resolution?
I wanted to know what happened in their LIVES, not their deaths, 5 years of flashbacks and whatnot to give us a major idea of all of this characters lives and struggles before they got to the island, I expected nothing less than a conclusion of their lives for those that survived the island, "they lived happy ever after in heaven" doesn't work, doesn't work AT ALL, they failed in every way, they haven't answered a single question about the mythology, they haven't given their precious characters any sort of tangible conclusion, nothing, the show just didn't end, so when you ask if I would be happy if they made a movie or something that answered some questions, I can only say definitely yes, because they just didn't end what they started!
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 13:29 Post subject: |
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No, I watched all episodes of Lost. 
How did you come to that conclusion anyway?  I have said repeatedly I watched it and hated it hehe.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 13:33 Post subject: |
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well the only bitching that can heard now is : WTF WAS THIS ISLAND , ZE SMOKIE UND WHO WAS THE FIRST GUARDIAN
they only explained every human interaction but OPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSS the biggest thing got left in the void 'The Fucking Island magical fucking thing'
but yeah DB/dvd sells will go up and so on.... pathetic
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 13:36 Post subject: |
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| Hfric wrote: | well the only bitching that can heard now is : WTF WAS THIS ISLAND , ZE SMOKIE UND WHO WAS THE FIRST GUARDIAN
they only explained every human interaction but OPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSS the biggest thing got left in the void 'The Fucking Island magical fucking thing'
but yeah DB/dvd sells will go up and so on.... pathetic |
They will make tons of money in sales with the DVD Boxset because they claim 20 minutes of unseen footage will be there, and everyone will rush in to buy it in hope of some answers, but I bet that all the unseen footage is just some vague crap and extra scenes that don't answer anything at all.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 13:52 Post subject: |
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| madnessnaab wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: |
If the ending satisfied you then don't bother posting back here because you are either cognitively disabled or just really really stupid. |
Now only people who hate Lost can post here ?
let's rename this thread to "Official Lost Bashing Thread" then |
Yeah, that didn't came out right
That's not what I meant, but damn have you even read his comments?
He's saying that he got his answers, did he even watched the same finale as me?! 
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 14:06 Post subject: |
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If all the answer he wanted were that there is a special place after you die, that you meet your loved ones, then maybe he did get all the answers.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 16:02 Post subject: |
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the extra 20 min will prolly be with hurley and ben guarding the island and then killiing eah other off. or ben becomes the smoke monster
its kinda lol methinks
if smokey were to get out with all of them
none of them wouldve died
so there was n hope for any of them
and its not resolution at all to the series or the character development
because if purgatory has no time
its cool and all
and it works
yes
but at the same time it doesn't work
nothing in the previous eps stated or showed or even alluded to it being a purgatory
just in the last 10 minutes
its exactly as the saw ending
its not clever writing to come up with a twist like that
6th sense had it done right
they alluded to him being dead but youd have to pay attention
and even then its shocking at how it is revealed
same with fight club
all over the place we're alluded to the whole duality of the characters
split personality
but here and in saw nothing is alluded
nothing is really explained
so its not clever writing
its shoddy at best
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 16:10 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 16:35 Post subject: |
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i write with one hand
stfu willis
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 16:36 Post subject: |
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WaldoJ.. do you know the difference
between a tvshow spanning 6
years and a
movie ? 
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 16:46 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 16:49 Post subject: |
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| Laurentiu499 wrote: | WaldoJ.. do you know the difference
between a tvshow spanning 6
years and a
movie ? |
Do you know the difference between an ending that explains what the hell the tv show/movie is about from a pseudo emotional shit that doesn't correlate in any way with the rest of anything you invested your time in?
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 16:51 Post subject: |
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| Laurentiu499 wrote: | | WaldoJ.. do you know the difference between a tvshow spanning 6 years and a movie ? |
yes a tv series is meant to be well executed like a movie
you have a larger scale of character development
creating tension and drama for the sake of the overal plot.
look at justified
look at hung
look at dexter
look at dead like me
look at saved by the bell
look at any tv show
through their many seasons not only does character development become stronger and greater the plot for each season is well developed well exposed and well executed
much like movies where you only have 90+ minutes to develop characters, set up plot, exeute it, and conclude it.
tv isnt different than movies.
you follow the same formula for a plot based series.
from ep 1 to the last bits and pieces of plot are revealed
from 1 to last characters are developed
every show and evey movie thats done well that has a twist ending
alludes to it and foreshadows it because then its a shock its revealed
and a twist ending is still a twist ending even if you expect it.
the execution makes it so.
look at se7en
double indemnity
sunset boulevard
tv and movies only differ in the time span
they follow the same formula
you are allowed more with tv yes but the basics in writing are the same
so stfu you lost lover
if you don't understand the fact that if you steer an audience one way and then take them elsewhere with out hinting. without warning then the audience will be pissed and dissatisfied. simple.
the ending wasn't brilliant it was a cop out. they had no idea what to do.
they just wrote a scene with cs to explain its a purgatory?
in other seasons the flashes were clear cut.
simple. only mystery. only sense of tension. only real plot was on the island.
we have to get out.
so umm yeah i know the difference. do you know the difference between shit and not shit?
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 17:02 Post subject: |
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yo waldo, watch any bsg yet? what you think?
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 17:04 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | yo waldo, watch any bsg yet? what you think? |
I've actually been meaning to ask you the same, what did you thought of BSG and the way it ended?
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 17:04 Post subject: |
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my internets down lol
only managed to get half of miniseries
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 17:19 Post subject: |
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BSG should've ended with "The Plan", following the brilliant episode 15 of Season 4. After that, it went downhill.
All the revelations and stuff like the Brother Cavil monologue was pure gold, and my expectations went sky high after that episode. But oh what a disappointment awaited.
| Quote: | Brother Cavil: In all your travels, have you ever seen a star go supernova?
Ellen Tigh: No.
Brother Cavil: No? Well, I have. I saw a star explode and send out the building blocks of the Universe. Other stars, other planets and eventually other life. A supernova! Creation itself! I was there. I wanted to see it and be part of the moment. And you know how I perceived one of the most glorious events in the universe? With these ridiculous gelatinous orbs in my skull! With eyes designed to perceive only a tiny fraction of the EM spectrum. With ears designed only to hear vibrations in the air.
Ellen Tigh: The five of us designed you to be as human as possible.
Brother Cavil: I don’t want to be human! I want to see gamma rays! I want to hear X-rays! And I want to – I want to smell dark matter! Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can’t even express these things properly because I have to – I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid limiting spoken language! But I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws! And feel the wind of a supernova flowing over me! I’m a machine! And I can know much more! I can experience so much more. But I’m trapped in this absurd body! And why? Because my five creators thought that God wanted it that way! |
He was right.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 17:27 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | iNatan wrote: | | yo waldo, watch any bsg yet? what you think? |
I've actually been meaning to ask you the same, what did you thought of BSG and the way it ended? |
For some reason the religion part didn't bother me at all. It was done with a lot of intelligence and was left vague enough to not be spoon feeding for the retard masses. And the last line "He doesn't like the name 'God'" to me said a lot - something we may find out in Caprica. But even if someone didn't like that aspect of the show, the finale and the episodes leading to it were some of the best episodes of the entire series. After watching the Lost finale, I watched the extended BSG finale from the Blurays, and it is absolutely brilliant. There are certain points that steal make me tear up, even if I've watched it so many times already. To quote Anders, "Perfection. That's what it's about."
I've said it in this thread already, religion done intelligently ala BSG vs. religion done the Lost way ("Yay happy place for souls to meet!")
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 17:45 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | iNatan wrote: | | yo waldo, watch any bsg yet? what you think? |
I've actually been meaning to ask you the same, what did you thought of BSG and the way it ended? |
For some reason the religion part didn't bother me at all. It was done with a lot of intelligence and was left vague enough to not be spoon feeding for the retard masses. And the last line "He doesn't like the name 'God'" to me said a lot - something we may find out in Caprica. But even if someone didn't like that aspect of the show, the finale and the episodes leading to it were some of the best episodes of the entire series. After watching the Lost finale, I watched the extended BSG finale from the Blurays, and it is absolutely brilliant. There are certain points that steal make me tear up, even if I've watched it so many times already. To quote Anders, "Perfection. That's what it's about."
I've said it in this thread already, religion done intelligently ala BSG vs. religion done the Lost way ("Yay happy place for souls to meet!")
What did you think about it? |
At this point I'm in tune with your perspective of BSG, everything was perfect, the questions that were left unanswered, Starbuck for example were at the same time both genius and questionable, specifically the part that she's talking to Apollo on a open field, he just turns around for 2 seconds and she just disappeared, the writers on that point failed a little imo, they wanted for it to be left ambiguous, but the only logical explanation there is that she wasn't real, otherwise how could she just disappear like that?
The point I just referenced and the "god is a force of nature, beyond good and evil" were the only points that personally I didn't like, Baltar was claiming to Cavill that god was a force of nature, that he is beyond human reasoning, Baltar claims that god interferes and has interfered in their lives the entire time and it was that force of nature "god" that lead them all there.
To me that is a contra sense in it's core, but beyond these two points, yes, BSG was superb from start to finish, raw visual poetry in it's strictest sense.
For some time I didn't quite knew either to love or hate BSG, but watching Lost's ending made me clear my mind once and for all, there's a big difference between a perfect ending that resonates with the entire show and has 1 or 2 issues that personally I deem reprehensible from an ending that has nothing whatsoever to do with the rest of the show and all it tries to address is peoples emotion without any sense of closure or completion.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 17:50 Post subject: |
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dudes...you are fuckin high.
raw visual poetry ?
BSG is a pretty good soap opera and thats about it.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 17:54 Post subject: |
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| Laurentiu499 wrote: | dudes...you are fuckin high.
raw visual poetry ?
BSG is a pretty good soap opera and thats about it. |
You probably one of those guys that firmly believes hip hop is poetry.
Right?
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 18:07 Post subject: |
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BSG, was the highest point of television for me. Not just how it ended, but the personal conflicts and resolutions, the political intrigues (for instance, the objective view of democracy vs. dictatorship and their advantages and disadvantages), the way human minds cope with impossible situations (for example, Adama vs. Kain), the way human minds cope with persistent disappointment (for example, the fallout and resolution of the mid-season cliffhanger of season 4). It was all just done to perfection, and there was something for everyone. There was drama for the more serious audience, action for the younger audience, romance for the soap-liking audience, but it was about drama at the end.
Funnily, some people are willing to dismiss BSG as being a space opera, and won't even give it a chance, when in reality, BSG has very little to do with space (or science fiction in general to some degree) outside of the obvious "People in spaceship" motif. BSG is first and foremost a serious drama series.
About the Baltar claims about god, well that is what his limited mind allows him to see of phenomena he doesn't understand. Some of the themes did look a little far fetched ("All of this has happened before and will happen again"), but we can at least agree that they stuck to them from start to finish, without silly twitch at the last second to make Americans happy.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 18:20 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | BSG, was the highest point of television for me. Not just how it ended, but the personal conflicts and resolutions, the political intrigues (for instance, the objective view of democracy vs. dictatorship and their advantages and disadvantages), the way human minds cope with impossible situations (for example, Adama vs. Kain), the way human minds cope with persistent disappointment (for example, the fallout and resolution of the mid-season cliffhanger of season 4). It was all just done to perfection, and there was something for everyone. There was drama for the more serious audience, action for the younger audience, romance for the soap-liking audience, but it was about drama at the end.
Funnily, some people are willing to dismiss BSG as being a space opera, and won't even give it a chance, when in reality, BSG has very little to do with space (or science fiction in general to some degree) outside of the obvious "People in spaceship" motif. BSG is first and foremost a serious drama series.
About the Baltar claims about god, well that is what his limited mind allows him to see of phenomena he doesn't understand. Some of the themes did look a little far fetched ("All of this has happened before and will happen again"), but we can at least agree that they stuck to them from start to finish, without silly twitch at the last second to make Americans happy. |
Actually the "all of this has happened before and it will happen again" was for me one of the thematic highlights of the show, it tried to state that people are people and the human condition is a constant, the specifics of any situation might change, the intricacies of any problem or conflict might vary from place to place, but the core of the human condition, perspective and consciousness never changes and it did this in a superb way, people are people, despite of how they look like and how they rose to being, if they were born human or made human by cylons, they are people and they are all the same and the problems and resolutions they will come to encounter during their lives will always in their core be the same.
That imo, was one of the beautifulest aspects of BSG
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 18:21 Post subject: |
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serious drama series ? great joke .
Budget cuts translated in more episodes so called "drama"
obviosly shot with hand held camera and dramatic lightining to make it" relevant" even though there's just some guys talking on a corridor 
Ill stop here.
All in all , dont come on the LOST board and tell us how great BSG is when both shows have their strong and weak points.
No Ronhrin. i dont like/ listen to hip hop.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th May 2010 18:24 Post subject: |
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| Laurentiu499 wrote: | serious drama series ? great joke .
Budget cuts translated in more episodes so called "drama"
obviosly shot with hand held camera and dramatic lightining to make it" relevant" even though there's just some guys talking on a corridor
Ill stop here.
All in all , dont come on the LOST board and tell us how great BSG is when both shows have their strong and weak points. |
Can you answer my question, do you consider hip hop to be poetry?
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