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 Posted: Mon, 12th Apr 2010 18:03 Post subject: |
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guys i got a strange stuttering for a second maybe two, when i play this beta. Like little freezing. This is fault of game or what?
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Apr 2010 22:20 Post subject: |
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| litwicki23 wrote: | | guys i got a strange stuttering for a second maybe two, when i play this beta. Like little freezing. This is fault of game or what? |
Are you using any of the Core IX processors?
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Apr 2010 09:37 Post subject: |
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| killabyte wrote: | | * snip * |
Although i do get your point, Blizzard just doesn't want only the "hardcore" scene and die-hard fans to test the beta. They might have a completely different view on the game than newbies or just casual players.
The reason they're just giving random access is also because they don't want to "discriminate" new players. Everyone who ever owned a blizzard game and registered it to B.net should be allowed to play the beta.
They're not *shitting* on loyal customers, because no-one is more entitled to play the beta than anyone else. It's a test, it's random and every other test should be that way. The game is not going to be released just for loyal customers, it's for everyone so everyone should be able test it.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Apr 2010 15:08 Post subject: |
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g2play is selling 47.99€ if any maniac can't handle waiting can pre-order now lololol
But even that price for g2play is a little expensive for me :S
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Apr 2010 15:29 Post subject: |
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| Flowmo wrote: | | They're not *shitting* on loyal customers, because no-one is more entitled to play the beta than anyone else. It's a test, it's random and every other test should be that way. The game is not going to be released just for loyal customers, it's for everyone so everyone should be able test it. |
if it's a test, "everyone" should NOT be able to test it. people who know how to fucking play it should. i see your point - make sure it's friendly to new people. but new people have no idea how a game like that plays, the balance, how to counter such and such attack,etc. they'll go dropping suggestions to change things that they don't even understand. in other words they don't know how to play the game - which is where a DEMO comes into play.
a demo is what you release to let mr new customer john q. public play to find out if this game is for him, not a beta. that way if they can't play, they can google or go to a forum and read how to play instead of submitting bug reports to the developers and suggest the game be changed to cater to them.
you are right about one thing though. everyone who ever owned a blizzard game and registered it to B.net should indeed be allowed to play the beta. anyone with an old school starcraft cd key that is registered should be granted instant access. not that battlechest shit you could still buy off shelves 2 or 3 years ago, i'm talking the old school shit. problem solved, the old timers get access & provide valuable feedback. the crafty types hit up ebay and buy old school copies so they can get in on the action. THEN you could give it to the battlechesters and then finally roll it out in waves or just make it open to the public.
there was a much better way for blizzard to handle this. again, if this was some new game that people were excited about then sure, everyone should have equal access. this game has been waited on by fans for over 10 years. TEN YEARS. you look out for those kinds of fans. myself - i'll figure out a way to get a legit copy for free. but i won't be supporting them that's for sure.
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Ankh
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Apr 2010 15:32 Post subject: |
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Actually, a beta is better if not just people who know the game play it. As new people are just as good as experienced ones at encountering bugs and such things.
Getting feedback from new players also improves their chance of reaching a new audience rather than just the hardcore lamefamboiobsessedwithblizzard kind.
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Apr 2010 15:41 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Getting feedback from new players also improves their chance of reaching a new audience rather than just the hardcore lamefamboiobsessedwithblizzard kind. |
*cough* demo *cough*
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Ankh
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Apr 2010 15:47 Post subject: |
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| killabyte wrote: | | Quote: | | Getting feedback from new players also improves their chance of reaching a new audience rather than just the hardcore lamefamboiobsessedwithblizzard kind. |
*cough* demo *cough* |
I said it ALSO improve. I also wrote that having newly introduced players in the beta is useful.
Edit: Hardcore fans arent always the best beta testers either.
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Apr 2010 15:55 Post subject: |
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| Ankh wrote: | | killabyte wrote: | | Quote: | | Getting feedback from new players also improves their chance of reaching a new audience rather than just the hardcore lamefamboiobsessedwithblizzard kind. |
*cough* demo *cough* |
I said it ALSO improve. I also wrote that having newly introduced players in the beta is useful.
Edit: Hardcore fans arent always the best beta testers either. |
Hardcore players dont have the time to post suggestions or feedback, they need to play all the time and if afterwards the game sucks they'll whine the forums it was the casuals fault. Long live casualism.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Apr 2010 16:40 Post subject: |
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| Ragedoctor wrote: | | Ankh wrote: | | killabyte wrote: |
*cough* demo *cough* |
I said it ALSO improve. I also wrote that having newly introduced players in the beta is useful.
Edit: Hardcore fans arent always the best beta testers either. |
Hardcore players dont have the time to post suggestions or feedback, they need to play all the time and if afterwards the game sucks they'll whine the forums it was the casuals fault. Long live casualism. |
it was obviously casuals fault then , if it was casuals testing..
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Apr 2010 16:48 Post subject: |
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| killabyte wrote: |
if it's a test, "everyone" should NOT be able to test it. people who know how to fucking play it should. |
WRONG. That's not the point of a beta. The goal is to get as many different skillsets to play as possible. You want to find bugs, balance, TEST usability, etc.
As a seasoned player you are going to do things differently as a new player would. You're going to skip entire menus that a new player may not. You're going to play the game on a different difficulty level than a new player would. You're going to play with entirely different tactics and units than a new player would. So, essentially, only half the game is going to get tested.
The problem today is that people treat a beta as just an early chance to play the game. Companies need to stop using the beta as a hype machine. They need to go back to the days where it's rare to have a public beta; get people who have an interest in testing the game rather than playing it.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Apr 2010 16:52 Post subject: |
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| Ankh wrote: |
Edit: Hardcore fans arent always the best beta testers either. |
They *rarely* are. They have a sense of entitlement to just play the game early. One of the reasons games are released these days as bugfests are because the company had a shitty beta program. They need to go back to having long closed betas with targeted test areas. Then perhaps a short open beta to try to clean up any bugs that slipped through the cracks (and stress testing for multiplayer).
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Apr 2010 18:12 Post subject: |
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So apparently keys from Russia won't be any use:
| Quote: | | In Russia, the game will be sold at a much lower price than elsewhere, but will come with restrictions. Players will not be able to connect to other Europeans, and they will only be able to use the multiplayer mode for a limited number of days. The DVD version will cost 999 ruble (£20 GBP or €25 EUR) and allow one year Russia-limited multiplayer access, and a jewel-case version will cost half that and allow limited multiplayer access for 120 days. |
Source: http://www.incgamers.com/News/21948/starcraft-ii-monthly-fees-confirmed-in-russia
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Apr 2010 18:37 Post subject: |
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while it may sucks for russian players (who want to play outside russia), its one of the things we kinda all saw coming (russia has to be one of thetop countries to export cd keys lol). Wouldn't be surprised if they did the same thing in china (country restricted cd keys).
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Apr 2010 18:38 Post subject: |
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Pfft, then they wonder why there is piracy in Russia 
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Apr 2010 18:46 Post subject: |
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So russians will only play with russians ?
If that's confirmed, that's complete and utter bullshit. Where's my good ol' not-a-money-milking-machine Blizzard ?
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Apr 2010 19:14 Post subject: |
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i see nothing wrong with russian only servers.. been done in wow.. and you could migrate to russian server and pay lower fee, etc.. or just stick with rest of europe.. nothing forbids them from buying normal edition.. but whats up with limited time to use bnet? what the hell is that?
will they implement some bullshit like that for rest of us.. the thing we were afraid.. paid bnet.. qq
you can already order sc2 from for example game.co.uk for 29.99 quids.. why would you pay 25, for 1 year access.. and around 3 monthly after that.. and be restricted to rus servers.... somewhat silly plan..
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Apr 2010 19:35 Post subject: |
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No worries, BNet Server Emulator from cs.rin.RU will be out quite fast. 
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Apr 2010 20:41 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Apr 2010 11:38 Post subject: |
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| killabyte wrote: | | there was a much better way for blizzard to handle this. again, if this was some new game that people were excited about then sure, everyone should have equal access. this game has been waited on by fans for over 10 years. TEN YEARS. you look out for those kinds of fans. myself - i'll figure out a way to get a legit copy for free. but i won't be supporting them that's for sure. |
This is just plain ignorance and hypocrisy. Just because you didn't get a beta, or the way they handle the beta you're not going to support one of the best developers still around?
A beta is a privilige, not a right. If you're not getting in the beta, just swallow it like a whore and accept. Now you're just whining "WAAAH, i'm not getting in the beta, they're not going to get my money". Pretty sad actually.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Apr 2010 22:47 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Apr 2010 21:51 Post subject: |
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| Flowmo wrote: | | This is just plain ignorance and hypocrisy. Just because you didn't get a beta, or the way they handle the beta you're not going to support one of the best developers still around? |
i haven't whined at all actually. i also dont know about it being "ignorance" or "hypocrisy" or whatever other unnecessary descriptive words you can pull out your ass. i would call it being a long time fan of SC and a big fan of some other blizzard games and being disappointed. if i choose to stick it to them because i disapprove of how they handled this situation then that's my choice. if you don't like it, sorry. i don't have to defend that point of view or my actions regarding it. would my wife reward me with BJ's or sex if i called her a cunt? no, even though i'm a good guy and treat her great the rest of the time.
| Flowmo wrote: | | A beta is a privilige, not a right. If you're not getting in the beta, just swallow it like a whore and accept. Now you're just whining "WAAAH, i'm not getting in the beta, they're not going to get my money". Pretty sad actually. |
beta's a priviledge, a right, blah blah entitlement, whatever. i've read that shit 100 times and SOMEWHAT AGREE BUT there was a better way for them to have handled this situation. as i said, 10 years of waiting. not 2 years. not the jump from modern warfare to modern warfare 2. not gears to gears 2. not san andreas to gta iv. starcraft was the shit and still is for a lot of people. it's a legacy for some and i spent a pretty big portion of my life playing it. any other crappy run of the mill game and i'm behind ya on the beta thing, but not this one.
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Apr 2010 14:07 Post subject: |
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Look killa, you may or may not agree with me, but there is no exception for any beta for anyone. There is no *right* way to handle a beta, just the *best* way to fully test the game.
If the game were to be only tested by hardcore SC players, then the game would be tested differently then when it would be tested by casual gamers, or even a mix of both like said before.
The *best* way for Blizzard and the fans is this way. They're not ignoring fans, they're doing their best to test the game so they will please their fans best when it's released.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Apr 2010 15:56 Post subject: |
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damn i love this game ,SC2 Beta is so far lovely.
What is release date? I buy this game. This game is worth this to buy.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Apr 2010 19:49 Post subject: |
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| litwicki23 wrote: | damn i love this game ,SC2 Beta is so far lovely.
What is release date? I buy this game. This game is worth this to buy. |
Not for 60$ for 1/3. Blizzard can shove it... if they want to go the true Activision way it's their problem.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Apr 2010 20:14 Post subject: |
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| Predator_Soul wrote: | | Not for 60$ for 1/3. |
Those "1/3" are 30 single player missions with alot cinematics, full multiplayer and the galaxy editor. That sounds like... any RTS that Blizz released in the past.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Apr 2010 20:25 Post subject: |
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Predator: i think you've misunderstood. Instead of making one game they are making 3. See it as 3 games. Each game will have ~30 missions. Thats alot (usually is around 10 x 3, which it was in StarCraft, 10 for each race that is).
It's not more expensive than any other title out there.
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