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highstuff




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 10:55    Post subject:
Hitler is pissed

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcuqk0_hitler-s-reaction-to-assassin-s-cre_fun
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veemon




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 11:07    Post subject:
In all honesty this is still the best drm ever made since games will never be released untill after a week or two untill people finish them.

Still its extremly annoying for costumers and i will never suport such a game
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The_Leaf




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 11:17    Post subject:
pzt1911 wrote:
I was wondering what happened if ubisoft made the safe games server side only. Cause the thing that saves us now is that the safe files are kept locally when theres no connection with the ubiserver.

Anyway im waiting for settlers to be done likewise Very Happy


How can saves be server side only? When your game needs to LOAD them... it needs to HAVE them, so even if it sent them to the server, the server would then need to send them back... so it would be quite easy for the emu to intercept the incoming saves and send them back locally when needed.
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Aquma




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 11:51    Post subject:
If You can emulate a server locally, You can just as well store saves on it. Requires a bit more work, but there's really nothing stoping You. The hard part is done, now that an emulator actually happened.

Still, veemon is probably right - this seems to be the best way to go, as far as DRM goes. It gives You at least a few days and there's really nothing pirates can do to offset that (aside from ddos attacks on legal servers, which just screws customers and company alike). The price You have to pay for such protection is quite steep though - screwing Your fans, bad press, vulnerability to hacker attacks, recompensation (like giving away full games), and server keeping costs.

I seriously doubt a few days is worth that much. Perhaps in the case of games like Dragon Age, for example, that can take weeks for a 100% completion, but still, even then i believe a loyal fanbase will yield You more. And treating people like dirt is not a way to gain one.
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veemon




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 11:56    Post subject:
Aquma wrote:
If You can emulate a server locally, You can just as well store saves on it. Requires a bit more work, but there's really nothing stoping You. The hard part is done, now that an emulator actually happened.

Still, veemon is probably right - this seems to be the best way to go, as far as DRM goes. It gives You at least a few days and there's really nothing pirates can do to offset that (aside from ddos attacks on legal servers, which just screws customers and company alike). The price You have to pay for such protection is quite steep though - screwing Your fans, bad press, vulnerability to hacker attacks, recompensation (like giving away full games), and server keeping costs.

I seriously doubt a few days is worth that much. Perhaps in the case of games like Dragon Age, for example, that can take weeks for a 100% completion, but still, even then i believe a loyal fanbase will yield You more. And treating people like dirt is not a way to gain one.



The question is exactly how many people feel that they have been treated like dirt.
Sure we can vent here how much we want but the truth is that is a pirating forum.

You also have people saying "I'm not going to buy it with this drm" but chances are they wouldn't buy it anyway.

So the real proof will be when the sales for ac2 on pc will be released.
Did this drm really help? Or did it make it worse?

Alternatively if they would be smart they would just make an online connection required untill the game gets cracked. After that they can just make the game run offline
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Aquma




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 12:18    Post subject:
It irks people all over the net, not only on formus linked with piracy, one way on another. Most reviews i've read mentioned it as a minus, the ones written later also didn't fail to mention problems with the servers.

We may never see any actual numbers, many companies do not show them, but even if AC2 sold more thanks to this (which i seriously doubt), it doesn't matter, because it's not a good example. AC2 was one of the first two games afflicted with this disease, and honestly, the first one that was unbugged and actually interesting. It took over a month, and many people decided to yield to this shit - not because of time, but because of uncertainty. That's not the case anymore. Future games with uplay will have a few days, not a few weeks, and people will know that a release will happen.

That's a whole world of difference.
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Nui
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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 12:36    Post subject:
veemon wrote:
You also have people saying "I'm not going to buy it with this drm" but chances are they wouldn't buy it anyway.
To their defense, many of them dont seem to like this game anyway. And at least one of those who liked it, actually bought it!
And he announced early that he's gonna buy it, mind you! In fact he never stopped mentioning that. Laughing (don't mean any harm Smile)
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peter980




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 13:39    Post subject:
The thing is, the way it is going, folks that don't buy games will get over it, and wait for new emulation cracks to get available knowing that they will come in few weeks or a month.

Really, for those that don't wanna buy games, it's not an issue if they just need to wait for some time, instead of getting 0-day cracks.

Ubisoft will be pleased too, since every week game isn't cracked is big profit for them.

And those that buy the games will be the only one screwed, with limits how and when to play what they bought.
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mArkAntonioo




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 14:48    Post subject:
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YET ANOTHER NEW VERSION OF THE EMULATOR

v0.41 - fixes the bug with the Architect, and probably some other bugs introduced with 0.4 too.

Find the download links in cs.rin.ru
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veemon




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 15:16    Post subject:
Aquma wrote:
It irks people all over the net, not only on formus linked with piracy, one way on another. Most reviews i've read mentioned it as a minus, the ones written later also didn't fail to mention problems with the servers.

We may never see any actual numbers, many companies do not show them, but even if AC2 sold more thanks to this (which i seriously doubt), it doesn't matter, because it's not a good example. AC2 was one of the first two games afflicted with this disease, and honestly, the first one that was unbugged and actually interesting. It took over a month, and many people decided to yield to this shit - not because of time, but because of uncertainty. That's not the case anymore. Future games with uplay will have a few days, not a few weeks, and people will know that a release will happen.

That's a whole world of difference.


Still that doesn't say if said people are actual costumers or just pirates who are posting on the thread annoyed that they can't play the game.

Companies don't care about people beeing happy or not as much as they care on sales. FOr them a sale is a sale so regardless how frustrated people are untill they realise they are loosing more monney because of the drm they won't give up on it.

At the same time if all companies are going to follow this thrend, and so far it seems that they do (Ea, Ubi, Blizzard) then people will have no choice but to fall in with this drm
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Timester




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 15:25    Post subject:
veemon wrote:
At the same time if all companies are going to follow this thrend, and so far it seems that they do (Ea, Ubi, Blizzard) then people will have no choice but to fall in with this drm


Blizz isn't using this type of DRM. It will be a simple Battle.net key authentication and then people can play the single player offline.

Also, there is another type of problem for the companies with this DRM, the expenses on maintaining the servers. If the sales are the same number as the last Assassin's Creed, then Ubisoft is gaining less money with AC2. At the end goal, this is a very important fact.


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veemon




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 15:28    Post subject:
Timester wrote:
veemon wrote:
At the same time if all companies are going to follow this thrend, and so far it seems that they do (Ea, Ubi, Blizzard) then people will have no choice but to fall in with this drm


Blizz isn't using this type of DRM. It will be a simple Battle.net key authentication and then people can play the single player offline.


Yeah yet you can't play LAN and you can't even play a custom game. You can only play the campaign like that and thats it
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Timester




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 15:31    Post subject:
veemon wrote:
Yeah yet you can't play LAN and you can't even play a custom game. You can only play the campaign like that and thats it


It's not like that isn't going to be cracked very easily and Blizz knows it and honestly don't care. Just look at the SCII beta.
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jewbagel




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 15:52    Post subject:
they know it's going to sell shitloads either way
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moosenoodles




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 16:43    Post subject:
"AC2 was one of the first two games afflicted with this disease.."

well ac2 on pc, on xbox 360 play it all find offline.. Smile

thats the shocking thing... if ur a console fag ur fine if ur a pc gamer ur ass fucked..
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 16:46    Post subject:
Next generation consoles will require constant inet connection, it's inevitable.
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moosenoodles




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 17:09    Post subject:
hehe yes dont u just know it Very Happy
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nightfox




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 18:47    Post subject:
hm i've did everything right and when i need to start the 'server.exe' i get an error saying: the application is not properly configured and needs to be reinstalled or smth like that
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Fercyful




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 19:13    Post subject:
highstuff wrote:
Hitler is pissed

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcuqk0_hitler-s-reaction-to-assassin-s-cre_fun


Very Happy Razz Laughing

that was an outstanding subtitling work!!

great! thanks x post it... I almost cry laughing with it
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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 19:18    Post subject:
Fercyful wrote:
Very Happy Razz Laughing

that was an outstanding subtitling work!!

great! thanks x post it... I almost cry laughing with it

It's good, but not the best it could be. I mean, come on, members of a Russian site crack the DRM and a joke about Stalin is not woven in, even when you can hear Hitler mention him? A miss, I think. Razz
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tombata
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FISKER_Q




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 20:04    Post subject:
veemon wrote:
Timester wrote:
veemon wrote:
At the same time if all companies are going to follow this thrend, and so far it seems that they do (Ea, Ubi, Blizzard) then people will have no choice but to fall in with this drm


Blizz isn't using this type of DRM. It will be a simple Battle.net key authentication and then people can play the single player offline.


Yeah yet you can't play LAN and you can't even play a custom game. You can only play the campaign like that and thats it


Why would they block offline AI games when they allow Singleplayer?

The online component is optional, my only concern about Starcraft 2 is whether or not i can seamlessly switch from offline to online á la Steam, or if it's going to get messy, á la GFWL.

I don't care about being able to get achievements, but if i basically need to restart the singleplayer game in my "offline profile" á la GFWL, then that's going to suck.
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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 21:04    Post subject:
FISKER_Q wrote:
veemon wrote:
Timester wrote:


Blizz isn't using this type of DRM. It will be a simple Battle.net key authentication and then people can play the single player offline.


Yeah yet you can't play LAN and you can't even play a custom game. You can only play the campaign like that and thats it


Why would they block offline AI games when they allow Singleplayer?

The online component is optional, my only concern about Starcraft 2 is whether or not i can seamlessly switch from offline to online á la Steam, or if it's going to get messy, á la GFWL.

I don't care about being able to get achievements, but if i basically need to restart the singleplayer game in my "offline profile" á la GFWL, then that's going to suck.
it will be like EA's C&C4 Wink
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lolozaur




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 21:46    Post subject:
Next ac is out in 2010
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darkew




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 21:47    Post subject: Loading save games?
Hi guys,

I played a few hours on this emulated server version (the one from rlslog.net), and it was all fine. When I launched game today, my save game was gone Sad

Am I missing something?

I did check the option to not store save games online.

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 21:50    Post subject:
Did you "login" with the same username and password? I read this is important. Smile
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rubim




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 21:51    Post subject:
jewbagel wrote:
Close enough. Certain missions have to be done in a specific manner (until more variations are played to get values) but you can complete the game, glyphs, feathers, tombs, weapons, villa etc. I think all that is missing is some viewpoints.


All viewpoints are corrected.

 Spoiler:
 


Altair armor before the new value.db with the viewpoint.
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xGAME007




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 22:08    Post subject:
So, now everything works fine?

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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Apr 2010 22:14    Post subject:
"Sorry about my language" Laughing

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