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sausje
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| xxax wrote: | | Radicalus wrote: | | iNatan wrote: | | They are proving a point. Any idiot that has shelled cash for this stupid DRM now knows not to do it again the next time. In fact, they are doing everyone a service. |
Is that so? What if they simply won't buy Ubisoft games again? If that's the effect, then they committed a very serious criminal act.
You do realize, it's those people "punishing" Ubi, who didn't actually buy the game. They have nothing to win or lose in this battle, in the short term, and they can only lose in the long term.
However they are the direct and single cause of the difficulties those people are experiencing, who knowingly signed up for Ubi's service.
Where do these hacker want to bes have the right to intervene from? Can you answer me that one question? |
Amazing to what lengths people will go to justify this DRM. |
How amazing how u can, what began to become a topic talking about the actual game itself, destroy it in 1 reply back to this stupid DRM discussion.
Do us and urself a favor and stay away plox 
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Frant
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2010 11:01 Post subject: |
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It's vigilantism at it's best. When the publisher impose a ridiculous and oppressive system to control us, some of us thankfully have the knowledge on how to disrupt that system for the goal of removing that system altogether.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2010 11:02 Post subject: |
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Guys what is with this stupid analogy?
Its quite simple really.
Lets say there is a restaurant that is newly opened. And every time you go there theres this bunch of huligans that are coming there too.
They sit next to your table laugh loudly burp, fart at the table make a ruckus.
Now the restaurant can't do anything about them because they are scared.
Would YOU as the client keep going to that restaurant knowing that every time you go those huligans are there and you would have to smell their burps and farts while you eat?!
Eventually the restaurant would go out of business wouldn't it?
The point is.
-The pirates are doing this so people stop buying ubisofts products untill they drop the drm.
-They don't care if you blame ubi for it.
-They don't care if you hate pirates for it.
-They're just vanadlising the place to make your costumer experience less enjoyable and orient yourself towards other businesses that don't have this draconian drm.
If you really hate the pirates then by all means keep buying 50 euros expensive games and if every one does it then the pirates will have lost.
When I was playing wow, I wouldn't care if blizzards servers were ddosed, if their provider was faulty, if a huricane would hit the blizzard hq, all i cared was that i payed monney every month and i had a right to play my game.
As a consumer i'm not pointing fingers and throwing blame around, all i care about is my product to work. If it doesn't then i go to the competition, simple as that.
The pirates are doing all of you tards a favor how ever.
Unless you want
-50 euros or more expensive games
-Games that have no LAN or other similar functions
-Games that require you to stay online (this might become the trend if this drm is successfull)
Id like to see you go to LAN parties anymore or play at work where you have no internet if you truely enjoy this system
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sausje
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2010 11:27 Post subject: |
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| xxax wrote: | | sausje wrote: | | xxax wrote: |
Amazing to what lengths people will go to justify this DRM. |
How amazing how u can, what began to become a topic talking about the actual game itself, destroy it in 1 reply back to this stupid DRM discussion.
Do us and urself a favor and stay away plox |
What? |
Nvm, guess brainactivity not fully working yet in the morning 
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2010 11:38 Post subject: |
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| The_Leaf wrote: | | veemon wrote: |
The pirates are doing all of you tards a favor how ever.
Unless you want
-50 euros or more expensive games
-Games that have no LAN or other similar functions
-Games that require you to stay online (this might become the trend if this drm is successfull)
Id like to see you go to LAN parties anymore or play at work where you have no internet if you truely enjoy this system |
You almost have a point there, if by "all of you tards" you mean people like us that want to get the game for free. But surely they're not helping the legit customers. They DECIDED to buy the game, who gave you the right to "fight for them" (ie: making them unable to play their purchased game)? I'm quite positive they're NOT thanking you
If you don't want to support such a DRM, then DON'T buy the game and inform other people about the DRM so they are free to choose wheter to support it or not. But if they decided to accept the DRM and then you prevent them from playing, that's just fascist. You're entitled to your opinion and to protest, but you can't force your opinions on others.
For example: I personally HATE Apple products because I disagree with their "style over substance" policy and inflated prices, so I don't buy their products and whenever I can I try to dissuade people from buying them, but I don't go around with a sledgehammer smashing other people's iPods. |
The reason I used "tards" is not because people bought the game or suport ubi but because they either don't understand or don't want to understand the pirates.
Again the ones DDOSING the servers aren't to do you (the costumer) a favor, they're doing it to make you have the most miserable experience as possible, so that next time you go to a store and you see an ubi game wich costs 55 euros you will go (well i can buy it, but it will be online and servers will drop frequently due to those damn pirates).
At this point some people would go, well rather then spend 55 euros on this i can buy this other game for 39 euros wich will not drop while playing.
The pirates aren't doing this from a high moral perspective. There is no doubt that what they do is wrong.
How ever, unlike others they are making a stand and show that some people do not want games to become online dependent, overpriced and with spyware in them (read ubis therms and agreement for more info about that).
This has nothing to do how ever with the fact that the game hasn't been cracked yet.
There have been other games in the past wich were not cracked from the first month and it didn't cause such an outrage.
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Frant
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2010 11:42 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | For example: I personally HATE Apple products because I disagree with their "style over substance" policy and inflated prices, so I don't buy their products and whenever I can I try to dissuade people from buying them, but I don't go around with a sledgehammer smashing other people's iPods. |
Poor analogy. There's nothing in there that is comparable to Ubi's new super-draconian DRM scheme that abuse the rights of the customers. This isn't just about Ubi's current DRM, it's about future DRM-solutions that may be as draconian or worse if Ubisoft gets away with this one. So there's a lot more at stake for ALL of us than some paying customers sponsoring this ugly DRM scheme by paying for it.
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2010 11:51 Post subject: |
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Nobody gave them any rights, they just do it and don't give a fuck.
In the end though, what they are doing will probably be beneficial to the pc side of the market, if it manages to force ubi off this DRM idea. Hell, it might be beneficial even if it drives Ubi off PC altogether, because it'll make any other publisher two times more carefull before they decide on a DRM like that. And that is beneficial regardless of general understanding - or lack of it - amongst those who were willing to pay 20% more for a single player game that is 6 months lateand requires a stable i-net connection at all times. Great way to treat Your largest audience, after it actually grew when You dropped DRM off Your titles, eh? They deserve all the shit thrown at them right now.
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2010 12:00 Post subject: |
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I was ranting here, but after I purchased the game, all went fine. A couple of hiccups and I saved my games offline and that's all. So, in my country the servers are working.
BUT
I will always support the removal of this DRM.
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2010 12:05 Post subject: |
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| The_Leaf wrote: | | Quote: | | they're doing it to make you have the most miserable experience as possible, so that next time you go to a store and you see an ubi game wich costs 55 euros you will go (well i can buy it, but it will be online and servers will drop frequently due to those damn pirates). |
But tha's the problem right there: tey're doing it because it is their OPINION that this DRM should not be supported. Of course, everyboby is entitled to their opinion. The problem start when you try to IMPOSE your opinion on others! If costumers are perfectly happy with paying more to get less (applies perfectly in this case as well as my previous example about Apple)... well that's their choice. You can try to dissuade them, but DENYING them their choice is not your right.
| Quote: | | Again the ones DDOSING the servers aren't to do you (the costumer) a favor |
Just to be clear, I'm not a customer, actually I found the first game so boring I wouldn't play this one even if it had no protection whatsoever, I'm just interested in the discussion  |
Dude, seriously, they're pirates aka criminals, they're not intelectual people who are having a reasonable discussion.
When you get muged on the street do you tell the mugger that what he is doing is wrong?
How ever, unlike the mugger, the pirates that are atacking ubisoft belive in a cause. They are similar to revolutionaries who want to throw off an evill regime.
In this case they want to maximise the loss of profits for companies that would try to make a norm out of such drms.
You dont have to agree with them, but at least understand their point of view
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2010 12:11 Post subject: |
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Been a long time since i read this much stupidity on one page......do continue please...
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2010 12:12 Post subject: |
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I don't believe in PC extinction. The truth is, there's just to much money to take from PC gamers for publishers to ignore the platform altogether. Some may bitch about it, but there are some publishers who see it and make the money. And not all of them are small. Valve, Blizzard, THQ, EA, those are all companies that make loads of money on the PC. And they don't do it by enfocing draconian DRM schmes - quite the contrary. They become competitive, remove almost any forms of protection and give enlasting and tremendous support for very good games (EA/ Bioware's latest games), or offer something in return for the protecion and/or requirements (both Valve's steam and Blizz Battlenet). People need to finally see that there's no way do defeat piracy but quite many ways to reduce it. And most of them require no DRM, just a little bit of thought and good will.
Ps. The_Leaf , i absolutely <3 Your avatar, lol
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2010 12:16 Post subject: |
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| veemon wrote: | | The_Leaf wrote: | | Quote: | | they're doing it to make you have the most miserable experience as possible, so that next time you go to a store and you see an ubi game wich costs 55 euros you will go (well i can buy it, but it will be online and servers will drop frequently due to those damn pirates). |
But tha's the problem right there: tey're doing it because it is their OPINION that this DRM should not be supported. Of course, everyboby is entitled to their opinion. The problem start when you try to IMPOSE your opinion on others! If costumers are perfectly happy with paying more to get less (applies perfectly in this case as well as my previous example about Apple)... well that's their choice. You can try to dissuade them, but DENYING them their choice is not your right.
| Quote: | | Again the ones DDOSING the servers aren't to do you (the costumer) a favor |
Just to be clear, I'm not a customer, actually I found the first game so boring I wouldn't play this one even if it had no protection whatsoever, I'm just interested in the discussion |
Dude, seriously, they're pirates aka criminals, they're not intelectual people who are having a reasonable discussion.
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You dont have to agree with them, but at least understand their point of view |
But that's exactlyit: I DO understand why they do it (I just think it has less to do with ideals and more to do with frustration, but tha's just my opinion) but I don't agree with their method, simple as that. Of course they'll continue no matter what I or others may say, I'm not here to dissuade them, just to have an interesting conversation.
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sausje
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2010 13:03 Post subject: |
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| Stinky244 wrote: | Only one more page to hit a hundred pages and almost 50-60 pages is slamming the DRM and some douches protecting UBI and then being pummeled to the ground...  |
in other words, 50-60 pages of worthless comments like mine now
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2010 13:32 Post subject: |
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100th, not! :/
I dont know why such a fuzz for this game, its good, but its not worth that much
played on x360 couple of months ago, it kept me for a few hours
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2010 13:36 Post subject: |
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| Wahad wrote: | 100th, not! :/
I dont know why such a fuzz for this game, its good, but its not worth that much
played on x360 couple of months ago, it kept me for a few hours |
Lol, just read the last 60 pages and you have the answer: nobody's talking about the game in this thread, al the "fuzz" is about the drm 
But can you blame us? We can't play, at least we have a laguht bitching about the prot 
EDIT: no 100th, damn 
| Quote: | | Ps. The_Leaf , i absolutely <3 Your avatar, lol |
Hes sooo cuuuuute isn't he 
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sausje
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2010 13:56 Post subject: |
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I dont get this tho, if u really like a game, dont u buy it to support the developers? Even tho it has a retarded DRM. Atleast thats what i do 
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2010 14:02 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | | I dont get this tho, if u really like a game, dont u buy it to support the developers? Even tho it has a retarded DRM. Atleast thats what i do |
Lulz.
No, actually you stand on your principles first. |
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2010 14:02 Post subject: |
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It's quite frustrating really.
Pirating aside, I do actually want to buy this game, but I would never buy it with this DRM
So either way ubi you fucking LOSE and you fucking FAIL. You brought it all on yourself.
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2010 14:02 Post subject: |
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100!
L.E fuck. 
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