Gamebird JPD-FFB or Thrustmaster Run'N'Drive? (Gamepads)
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FastMemFirst




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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 10:34    Post subject: Gamebird JPD-FFB or Thrustmaster Run'N'Drive? (Gamepads)
These Gamepads with Mini-Wheel. Anyone got one? Much advantage over analogue sticks? For Racing games of course...


Gamebird:


http://www.gembird.de/produkte/produkt_details.php?phg=1&pug=2&id=951

-or-

Thrustmaster:


http://www.thrustmaster.com/product.aspx?ProductID=92&PlatformID=5

That Thrustmaster looks nice... about 40 Euros.
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 12:25    Post subject:
get yourself 360 pad for max compatibility
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 12:39    Post subject:
Mortibus wrote:
get yourself 360 pad for max compatibility


Did you even read what i want? no?

Mortibus wrote:
READ or gtfo, simple as 123
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 12:42    Post subject:
These miniwheels are awful, and very uncomfortable. You might try one in a store for a few seconds and think it's not that bad, or even worse, look at a picture on the internet and think it's great, but it really isn't You'll end up using the analog sticks, and for that, a 360 pad is more recommended.
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 12:45    Post subject:
^ +1

and even if the mini wheel was usable...i'd much rather have the excellent triggers from the 360 pad for throttle control than maybe a bit of extra steering sensitivity
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 13:18    Post subject:


This guy is using the Thrustmaster Run'n'Drive and it seems quite precise to me, only saw that from ppl with real steering wheels so far. Anyone with experience?
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 13:27    Post subject:
nothing special in that video, u might as well say he's using the analogue stick, as gimmick as that hl2 gun

not to mention that 360 pad will last u forever, where this one will probably break down in a year or so Wink

FastMemFirst wrote:
Mortibus wrote:
get yourself 360 pad for max compatibility


Did you even read what i want? no?

Mortibus wrote:
READ or gtfo, simple as 123


so u one of the xp users i assume Cool Face
nvm get your stupid miniwheel Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 13:39    Post subject:
Oh my lord... please please one fucking thread without a fanboy flamewar going on. Isnt that possible on this forum anymore? I just asked one simply question, nothing more.

@Mods close this thread, ill try somewhere else

kthxbye
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 13:42    Post subject:
I've got a Logitech Corded Rumble Pad 2 (or without 2),its blue,great grip and sweet buttons,works with most of the games,except Sonic n Sega All Stars Racing (damn u sega,from all the games this one cant be config'd?...BITCH!


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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 13:43    Post subject:
DV2 try 360 gamepad emu

FastMemFirst wrote:
Oh my lord... please please one fucking thread without a fanboy flamewar going on. Isnt that possible on this forum anymore? I just asked one simply question, nothing more.

@Mods close this thread, ill try somewhere else

kthxbye


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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 14:25    Post subject:
FastMemFirst wrote:
Oh my lord... please please one fucking thread without a fanboy flamewar going on. Isnt that possible on this forum anymore? I just asked one simply question, nothing more.

@Mods close this thread, ill try somewhere else

kthxbye

You already got a serious answer.

I'm sure it's precise, but you can achieve that with a 'normal' gamepad just as well.

I don't see how using this would be comfortable, with that thing all the way in the middle on the first one. Last but not least, I doubt it will be handy for making quick turns from left to right.

Get a real wheel, or use a normal gamepad. I race similar to the guy in the video you linked, and that's with a normal gamepad (Rumblepad 2).

And you should ignore Mortibus, he likes going against people Wink
Also, that "HL2 gun" you're talking about Mortibus, isn't a "HL2 gun" in the sense that it was made for HL2, was just demonstrated with it!
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 14:34    Post subject:
lol u make me sound like a serial killa, i'm flattered Smug

p.s. at the end i was right and everyone suggested 360 pad and named this miniwheel thing useless Cool Face
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 14:40    Post subject:
@pwerelds
It isn't handy for quick turns at all. Not only does the mechanism not work well or fast, the thumbs are just not capable performing similar motions you make with your entire hands. So you will end up having to turn it with your entire hand (the other holding the controller).
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 15:24    Post subject:
You use two fingers for the wheel, not only the thumb. Look at the nipples left on the wheel. You push the upper one down using your pointing finger to steer left and push the lower up using your thumb for right. I still think its much more precise than the analogue stick where you really only use one thumb, especially if you are a retarded XP user like me...

Why do they use it for RC Cars Controllers if it sucks so badly? Look what they use here:

They do not use sticks like they use for air planes.

I think i order one. If it sucks theres ebay still.

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ed: watched a bit more on rc racing on youtube. holy shits they are fast:


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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 15:28    Post subject:
Notice how the guy in the RC video uses his entire right hand - you can't dedicate either hand with such a gaming controller because that would mean you lose control over most of the buttons on the controller - so no camera changes, no horns, no hand brakes, no gear shifting, no look behind, etc.
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 15:44    Post subject:
He could easily use two fingers, the pointer and the thumb. But why should he? His other fingers are free anyway. Theres no FF or something. And the "no fingers free for horns" etc argument is lame, your fingers are not fixed on the wheel and there are the sticks as well if you need to play with hooters while driving. But this discussion goes nowhere since you never could admin this wheelpad is interesting at least Wink
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 15:52    Post subject:
First, your two fingers alone can never match the speed of your wrist, let alone arm.
Second, right, during these pressure moments of trying to overtake opponents on the sharp corners, you will remove your hand from the "wheel" to change gear, handbrake or whatever - yes sound fantastic. Laughing

Actually it does look interesting and cool, I agree, that is why I almost fell into buying one. When it comes to comfort and usability, I could give a shit how something looks. Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 15:53    Post subject:
why do you even ask for advice if you're not going to take it?


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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 16:15    Post subject:
nouseforaname wrote:
why do you even ask for advice if you're not going to take it?


Why do you say i don't take it? If i ever want a gamepad without wheel i get a 360 pad for sure. But for now this topic is about something else. A pad with wheel.
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 16:34    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
First, your two fingers alone can never match the speed of your wrist, let alone arm.
Second, right, during these pressure moments of trying to overtake opponents on the sharp corners, you will remove your hand from the "wheel" to change gear, handbrake or whatever - yes sound fantastic. Laughing

Actually it does look interesting and cool, I agree, that is why I almost fell into buying one. When it comes to comfort and usability, I could give a shit how something looks. Rolling Eyes


Its not about speed for me, its about precision. And where is your wrist if you use the analogue sticks? I simply cant follow you here. Handbreake, throttle/break, look back is right hand, steer and gears left. Dont see a big finger conflict here. But enough speculations for now, maybe ill report back after i tested that thing... No worries, I AM man enough to admit if its crap Wink
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 16:53    Post subject:
FastMemFirst wrote:
Its not about speed for me, its about precision. And where is your wrist if you use the analogue sticks? I simply cant follow you here. Handbreake, throttle/break, look back is right hand, steer and gears left. Dont see a big finger conflict here. But enough speculations for now, maybe ill report back after i tested that thing... No worries, I AM man enough to admit if its crap Wink

Okay, so let's assume you're using 2 fingers on your left hand for the wheel, which basically means the remaining 3 fingers there will have to be in an awkward position to press any button, right?

Now, there's 2 choices for your right hand:
- You use an analog stick for throttle; means you got 2 fingers to press the shoulder buttons, and you can take your thumb off the throttle/brake to press the other buttons. Yay, there goes a good portion of your car control already, since in any proper racing game you need to steer, manage throttle, shift and possible hit the (hand)brake at the same time.

- You use buttons for throttle/braking, which, if you're such a precision whore, is not exactly accurate either. Does give you 2 more buttons you can easily press without having to sacrifice throttle/brake entirely though.

So your choice come down to not being able to get 100% control, or sacrificing accuracy for the sake of buttons - you say yourself you're a precision whore, so having a digital throttle isn't desirable.


You're completely contradicting yourself really. A gamepad with 2 analog sticks gives you full freedom on steering and throttle, whilst still allowing you to press buttons without twisting your hand Razz


Mind if I ask what these things cost? To me it sounds like you need a proper wheel, there's a few wheels out there that are quite cheap and will probably fulfill your needs just fine Smile
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 16:58    Post subject:
Are you looking to just "get better" or have more fun playing?

If it's the second I'd recommend getting an actual wheel. For me it's harder than x360 controller but more enjoyable Smile


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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 17:00    Post subject:
lulz just let him get this miniwheel, it's not like he's buying a friggin car now is it Razz
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2010 17:38    Post subject:
I ordered the Thrustmaster for 24 Euro. I dont think u get a decent wheel under about 70 euros and i dont have the space on desk anyway. Beside that do i have my feet anywhere but not on the ground while gaming.

Man this gets really complicated Wink

I currently use 3 fingers for buttons on each hand and the anal.thumbs to steer and acc/break. I have fingers on 3 buttons on each side, without moving them. Using the wheel i would lose one finger on the left side but its only the pointer at the shoulder for shift and you never need shift up/down at the same time, me at least. I can use the middle one for that. I do not use manual clutch so far. I dont use a xbox controller. Mine got 2 additional buttons on the downside for the ring-fingers, like the new with wheel. They are hand-breake and look modifier.

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Look here for more pics and review:
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=235&Itemid=65&limit=1&limitstart=0

Wish id found that one earlier ;/
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