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 Posted: Tue, 16th Feb 2010 09:48 Post subject: |
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I've read here that it's best to get an untouched release and then use this daz loader after installation.
But then I also see that this release: "Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Integrated February 2010 OEM DVD" is also recommended, only that in the nfo it says that it doesn't need activation. I guess since it's integrated?
So if I get this version will I need to use the loader regardless?
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Tue, 16th Feb 2010 14:01 Post subject: |
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Right, so that's what integrated means.
So I guess the BIE release is using an embedded loader. Is there a name for the untouched releases? Like a certain group that I need to look for?
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| Posted: Tue, 16th Feb 2010 14:19 Post subject: |
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Untouched releases are usually not recommended because you will receive a plethora of updates to download post installation.
But if you insist, there are these releases:
MICROSOFT WINDOWS 7 ULTIMATE RTM X64 OEM-YOMOFOSHEREISOEM
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Original MS ISO x64-GRP
etc.
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| Posted: Tue, 16th Feb 2010 14:30 Post subject: |
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Oh, so there aren't any loader-less and updated releases?
So untouched releases are not recommended because they will need to be updated like hell, and loader embedded releases are not recommended, I guess, because you can't guarantee the quality of the loader. So which is the lesser bad?
I guess I'll just get the BIE release if I know for sure that I can uninstall the built in loader and install a new one.
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| Posted: Tue, 16th Feb 2010 14:41 Post subject: |
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there is like 50mb+ important updates if u have first release, which updates in seconds unless u still on 56k
i never use any compiled crap, frak knows what they shove in there
besides if your system is stable there is absolutely no reason for u to update, sometimes updates coz more problem than they actually solve, so yeah i'd rather have stable first release with the choice to install certain update than someones handmade build
since release i use version with all version on one disk x86+x64
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| Posted: Tue, 16th Feb 2010 14:54 Post subject: |
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Good point. So back to untouched release. Are there any updates that I'll want to avoid? Or there aren't any loader killing updates yet.
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| Posted: Tue, 16th Feb 2010 15:15 Post subject: |
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u can hide/avoid that windows malicious update that may or may not break loader which is useless anyway
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| Posted: Tue, 16th Feb 2010 20:06 Post subject: |
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There aren't any loader-breaking updates I believe. I use the Daz loader and I install all updates.
That Malicious thingy is useless, yeah, you could disable that.
And updating for the first time takes about half an hour tops and a couple of restarts on my 2mbit connection, no biggie.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Feb 2010 03:07 Post subject: |
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| ToastMan wrote: | | Is there a name for the untouched releases? Like a certain group that I need to look for? |
Best choice is to get the official ISOs made by Microsoft itself:
Windows 7 Retail Ultimate english (x86)
7600.16385.090713-1255_x86fre_client_en-us_Retail_Ultimate-GRMCULFRER_EN_DVD.iso
Windows 7 Retail Ultimate english (x64)
7600.16385.090713-1255_x64fre_client_en-us_Retail_Ultimate-GRMCULXFRER_EN_DVD.iso
I'm guessing these are the images people get from the Microsoft store if they choose the download delivery method.
Also Microsoft provides hashes for those ISOs so you can be sure you have the untouched images.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Feb 2010 03:48 Post subject: |
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Just installed Windows 7..BIE release from October. Flawless. Formatted C partition, installed it right there. The installer doesnt even look like DOS like XP. Amazing. It found every single device including network drivers, sound,and chipset for my Abit IP35E.
I noticed when it was installing that a DOS window popped up and it injected the windows key automatically. No loader needed. Windows says Activated! Cant be any easier.
It updating all essentials. I installed MS Essentials.
Its like I died and went to heaven. How can Windows be so perfect..right away?!?! This must be a joke., Unreal.
Thanks everyone for all your advise.
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LMLM
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Feb 2010 06:02 Post subject: Daz loader hangs on boot :( |
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I need help, please.
I can't get the Daz loader working for Win7 x64 (Windows 7 Loader v1.7.7r) on my machine. It fails to start loading windows 7. It seems to lock up after POST is completed. I've successfully restored the MBR using the "bootsect /nt60 c:" command in 'repair computer' from the Win7 install dvd. Repairing the MBR lets me get to the OS selection screen to successfully boot into Win7 (not activated) or Vista.
My guess that it is failing is that I have a 2GB vFAT system boot partition (disk 0 partition 0), but I'm not sure. Is the Daz loader compatible with a FAT system boot partition?
I installed Win7 on disk 2 (3rd physical hard drive), second primary partition. Vista32 is installed on the 3rd partition on the disk 2 (same hdd as Win7). Both are formatted as NTFS. Both OS's boot fine without the loader.
I'm using a Gigabyte mobo (I have a GA-EP35-DS3R using the latest bios of F4 dated June 2009) and have Gigabyte selected for both SLIC and Certificate options selected in advanced. I've tried the loader in 'default mode', 'alternative' and 'older' with the same result, I can't boot after it installs. After doing the MBR restore, I did check system properties and it shows as 30 evaluation.
Thanks for advice/help!
edit note: I'm using a crc/md5 verified untouched w7 x64 install as instructed in the guide, no key entered.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Feb 2010 06:41 Post subject: |
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Spoke to soon. I went to validate windows and it said its not genuine (installed BIE release October). Before doing this, is said Windows Activated only.
So, I already tried:
WinSeven Loader by DAZ v1.7.7 - 32+64 bit (Tried all modes -all failed)
All Windows 7 Activator v1.8 (failed)
Windows.7.Activator-HAZAR (failed)
So I guess I broke it by going to the windows validation site? I should have kept it as Windows Activated instead?
Any help appreciated.
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Feb 2010 06:43 Post subject: |
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WGA and the newer WAT activations both passed here with DAZ's loader (1.7.7 repack) but the 1.7.8 version should be out any day now.
EDIT: Might be a bad serial, uninstall all loaders, restart and then dry the DAZ loader, advanced mode and a different serial (Usually Ultimate if you have that edition installed.) I use "Dell" cert and Dell serial myself.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Feb 2010 07:02 Post subject: |
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I cant install the Daz loader anymore. Its telling me "modified tokens". I already ran the repair in cmd prompt, and still no good. Now I wont let me install any certificate.
Looks like my windows 7 is a goner.
Ill reinstall it again and not run the WGA check. Man, I knew it was too good to be true.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Feb 2010 08:02 Post subject: |
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I reinstalled windows. I it activated again and Security Essentials did pass validation OK. However, Im sure if I go to the WGA site - it will fail.
So, any suggestions? Should I just wait it out until Daz new loader arrives?
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Feb 2010 08:05 Post subject: |
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Why do you want to validate on the "WGA site" ?
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LMLM
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Feb 2010 08:11 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | | I SAID GET RID OF YOUR VISTA SHIT, REPARTITION AND GO CLEAN WIN7 |
So is this why the loader doesn't work for me no matter what mode I try?
I just tried Daz's "Live Loader" ISO and all three modes seem to work, or at least I get to my OS selection screen which I can't do when I install the loader. So the Live Loader works, but the actual loader fails for me.
I'm tempted to go clean but I have so much data and installed apps I can't do it all in a single jump. Maybe I'll buy a new HDD and take it slowly from there.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Feb 2010 08:15 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | | Why do you want to validate on the "WGA site" ? |
To test and verify if my copy is OK.
So if I never go there, all is well??
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Feb 2010 08:42 Post subject: |
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| todd72173 wrote: | | VGAdeadcafe wrote: | | Why do you want to validate on the "WGA site" ? |
To test and verify if my copy is OK.
So if I never go there, all is well?? |
Well, all updates go fine and you can install all MS proggies which do their validation, so ... yeah it's all fine !
@ LMLM
You should check the loader's thread on mydigitallife forum to get more info. I always install clean to avoid fuckups.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Feb 2010 09:37 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | @ LMLM
You should check the loader's thread on mydigitallife forum to get more info. I always install clean to avoid fuckups. |
Alright thanks much.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Feb 2010 14:57 Post subject: |
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WAT Will call home every 90 days if you installed Windows6.1-KB971033-x86.msu or Windows6.1-KB971033-x64.msu anyway.
ATM this is a optional download, but i bet come first sp1 it will be mandatory.
As VGADeadcafe said, use UNTOUCHED iSO's... then use a loader (Daz's for the moment seems to be safe) or even better if you know what to do use a bios mod..
Its already blacklisting the BiE DVD iSO's, this is what M$ were after, as they are the most prolific in the wild, and most tom dick & harry's download it for ease.
There is speculation that the WAT servers are currently in LEARNING mode checking hassh, and used keys, but ofc none of this is confirmed...
But yeah Clean Install, untouched iso's loader... = safe for the moment.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Feb 2010 15:44 Post subject: |
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Im going to install this one instead of BIE release:
7600.16385.090713-1255_x86_x64fre_client_en-us_Retail_Ultimate-GRMCULFRER_EN_ALL_IN_ONE_DVD
This one better pass WGA check. It will be my third time installing.. Hahahha. I will use Daz 1.7.7r loader - use the default settings..
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Feb 2010 15:49 Post subject: |
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I can confirm that the DAZ loader can uninstall the loader that is used with DIE, if this helps. 
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