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thx it's cool to see how terrible is this ...
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| Posted: Fri, 18th Feb 2005 05:04 Post subject: |
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Well, after a failed attempt to communicate via pm, I would like to clarify some things for everyone:
1. The film/series is the tip of the iceberg. It was made as an independent film project about high-level movie pirates, but ended up as much more than that. Now the entire series is a flagship pilot for a new corporate distribution system, along with a few minor artists who claim to have sales go up some 1500%, although I question the presence of such sales, if any, before.
2. droopus is planning to use a network which mimics the infrastructure of the current underground distribution network. For this he plans to use people with previous experience in the scene, which are each to either expect immunity from the corporations that pursued them (he states that companies generally do not care about previous history as long as revenue is generated), or is to create a cover company through which he recieves his pay, which is assumingly sufficient to shield him from prosecution.
3. This network is to be clean. He is not planning to use the current network, but only use current or past scene networks on an identical network, which may or may not be open in structure to its parent companies.
Obviously, droopus (or his colleagues) do not realize that their umbrellas will get torn to shreds by their parents as soon as he goes public with this. Sony or Viacom will only play along with this for as long as it takes them to gather evidence, after which heads will roll.
Allow me to back up the former statement with a logical explanation:
Sony (taken as an example) wants to try this fabled "new distribution system", so it signs droopus and his crew to distribute ~20 half-dead promo's of full CD's etc. (read: crap they're not expecting to sell well in the first place). They offer Droopus and his crew $2000 for the job.
Let's say the Droopus crew and their 'legalized' network is now 20 people, this is $20-400 each. Sony pays the cash, but demands under some obscure corporate law (and under a we-want-to-cover-our-ass-from-you-making-us-look-like-shit clause) to look into the network. Sony gets an intimate feel for the structure, pokes around, tests protocols, watches it's property seep onto the net an hour after it's given for ditribution, and acts happy. It then transfers the money into the specified account.
The next day, droopus and co. recieve 20 letters from Sony. They're amazed at this because they had their umbrellas, but they kind of forgot the fact that every bank keeps records of the account holder under the business account's name (trust me, I've worked in one). The letters, as politely written and mellofluous as can be expected from a legal team that makes Jaws look harmless, briefly state that their recipients will be left alone, if they fill out and sign a few affidavits, appear in court, and give up all ftp, irc, etc. passwords and addresses they have. They obviously comply, and are let go.
A few months later, a major FBI sting takes in ~700 suspects, $200,000 in equipment, and shuts down an estimated 15% of the scene's sites, sending those they didn't get scrambling. This is the beginning of many, many operations in which the mpaa, riaa, and fbi cooperate to push the underground scene back into the stone age. Within a year, all major topsites unplug their servers, all major ftp's are either shut down or kept open as pirate bait, and the infrastructure crumbles. The site is now reduced back to CS nerds e-mailing and BBSing each other copies of self-written cracks and patches, with the occasional movie being passed here and there by the reckless or the elite.
A month later, Sony works out a deal with the FBI in which the FBI agrees to let the 'sceners' go as long as they never touch another piece of illegal code, and work for the MPAA/RIAA as distributors.
As a result, the prophecies of many will be fulfilled, with the 'scene' as we know it becoming virtually unexistant, and altering itself completely into a legal distribution network, complete with it's deadlines, hires, fires, and compulsive careers.
Droopus, is this what you're aiming at? Is this what you mean by people getting paid to do what they love? If so, please do not mislead, but rather admit that your aim is to morph the scene into a corporate tool, that we may better understand what you propose.
By the way, if any here are involved in any of droopus' efforts, please do your best to hinder them, as the likely consequence of them is seen from the above.
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| Posted: Fri, 18th Feb 2005 06:25 Post subject: |
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Whats really hillarious is when he talks about giving "immunity" to people, like hes the world court or interpol or something. Just because one company agrees not to activly prosecute you for something illegal that they know you are doing , it doesnt mean the feds wont(cuz they will), and it doesnt mean other corporations wont.
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| Posted: Fri, 18th Feb 2005 10:53 Post subject: |
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| guesswhat wrote: | | Whats really hillarious is when he talks about giving "immunity" to people, like hes the world court or interpol or something. Just because one company agrees not to activly prosecute you for something illegal that they know you are doing , it doesnt mean the feds wont(cuz they will), and it doesnt mean other corporations wont. |
I'll answer this one here, and Accelleron's in PM. Erudite as his writing is, his interpretation of the distribution system is inaccurate, and the scene has nothing to fear. In fact, we will remove much of the paranoia and fear from the scene.
As for "guesswhat", read the DMCA sometimes. The only people who are allowed to prosecute for copyright infringement are the owners of that content. Sony cannot sue for the theft of a Universal film. The Feds MUST have the approval for pursuing a case on the label/studio's IP (Intellectual Property, yeah it's confusing.)
Article 13 (I think) of the DMCA states that if a user's internet access is cut off or his access limited because the bot has found a piece of infringing material,. that user can simply say "no I did not." The Feds must then go to the owner of the IP, and the ower of that IP must sue the alleged pirate at their expense. This is the law, and it saved 80,000 people back during the Dr Dre busts, 30,000 in the Metallica busts. Keep it in mind if you get that knock on the door.
http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf
Go there to get a copy of the DMCA. Know your rights.
Oh, you might want to learn the difference between "immunity", "indemniification" and "amnesty." It makes a big difference. ; )
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| Posted: Fri, 18th Feb 2005 11:56 Post subject: |
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| droopus wrote: | | guesswhat wrote: | | Whats really hillarious is when he talks about giving "immunity" to people, like hes the world court or interpol or something. Just because one company agrees not to activly prosecute you for something illegal that they know you are doing , it doesnt mean the feds wont(cuz they will), and it doesnt mean other corporations wont. |
I'll answer this one here, and Accelleron's in PM. Erudite as his writing is, his interpretation of the distribution system is inaccurate, and the scene has nothing to fear. In fact, we will remove much of the paranoia and fear from the scene.
As for "guesswhat", read the DMCA sometimes. The only people who are allowed to prosecute for copyright infringement are the owners of that content. Sony cannot sue for the theft of a Universal film. The Feds MUST have the approval for pursuing a case on the label/studio's IP (Intellectual Property, yeah it's confusing.)
Article 13 (I think) of the DMCA states that if a user's internet access is cut off or his access limited because the bot has found a piece of infringing material,. that user can simply say "no I did not." The Feds must then go to the owner of the IP, and the ower of that IP must sue the alleged pirate at their expense. This is the law, and it saved 80,000 people back during the Dr Dre busts, 30,000 in the Metallica busts. Keep it in mind if you get that knock on the door.
http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf
Go there to get a copy of the DMCA. Know your rights.
Oh, you might want to learn the difference between "immunity", "indemniification" and "amnesty." It makes a big difference. ; ) |
yah we know sony cant sue you for universial content. but when sony knows your distributing content for universial onto sites that break sony copyrights they will of course take action. You have so many bad ideas its not even funny, ill be lmao when your company goes belly up and you have to find a real job.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2005 12:52 Post subject: |
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Take a look at this shit - dont trust droopus or jun or anyone involved with this.people are sayin this is leaked film from making ep10 of The Scene
Click to see damning evidence of links to Sony and NBC
go here and see what they say about this. crazy stuff
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