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| -=Cartoon=- wrote: |
I know people who are 89-90 and drink every day.. they are going hard still
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Yes but how much are they drinking is the question. Abusing any substance is seriously damaging.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Jan 2005 00:54 Post subject: |
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i know thats what i mean
Everything is harmfull for u in some way or another
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repo1
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Jan 2005 02:36 Post subject: |
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some guy did actually die of eating too many carrots his eyes and skin turned orange. strange but true.
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fisk
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Jan 2005 03:05 Post subject: |
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Okay, since thing's have been on the positive side for marijuana in this thread, I thought I'd add some negative facts too:
1. Marijuana contains THC. (source: http://www.drugs.com/Marijuana/)
2. Tetrahydrocannabinol(THC) that sticks to the fat-tissue in your brain and has a bunch of side-effects such as: | Quote: | | sleepiness, dizziness, confusion, and rapid heartbeat. Severe overdoses can cause panic attacks, seizures in epileptics, and possibly hallucinations. Long-term use can possibly result in psychological addiction. Abrupt discontinuation of the drug can cause symptoms such as irritability, insomnia and sweating. In animal studies, dronabinol caused stillbirths and pup mortality, so it's recommended that pregnant women avoid the drug. |
source: http://biotech.icmb.utexas.edu/botany/thc.html
3. People who smoke marijuana oftenly experience the same respiratory-debilitations that smokers do. (source: http://www.quit4good.com/tobacco-marijuana.html)
4. Alcohol kills more brain cells than marijuana | Quote: | | simply because marijuana does not. Marijuana only acts as an inhibitor and reduces the ability of your brains neurotransmitters to function. It does this at the synapsis, by impeding the neurons ability to send neurochemicals across the synaptic gap. |
(source: http://www.answerbag.com/q_view.php/3445) ... | Quote: | | Marijuana use may contribute to problems thinking clearly, memory loss, dependency, and (if smoked) smoking-related health problems, such as throat and lung cancer and respiratory problems. Furthermore, both alcohol and marijuana are thought to contribute to mental health problems, such as depression and anxiety. |
5. It should be clearly noted that both marijuana and alcohol are bad for the body, marijuana contains four times as much tar as regular cigarettes though, for instance. (source: http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/0791.html)
Conclusion: I think it's pretty safe to say that neither pot nor alcohol are very good, the only reason alcohol is legal these days (same with regular cigarettes) is probably the industries behind it. Had marijuana been as popular as alcohol back in the days, and had industries focused on it then, you can bet your ass it would've been legal today, since many scientists have concluded that alcohol would have been banned as a "regular drink" should it have been discovered today.
I can understand both sides of the coin though, both those who want to ban alcohol and marijuana, and those who wants them both to be free (to be able to do whatever they want with their bodies). And I agree in theory this works, the side-effects, such as drunk-driving/driving while high impairs the ability to concentrate and raises the risk of damaging and killing other people, which is a good reason for not allowing it... an argument against that is the fact that people get hold of the substances no matter if it's banned or not, but if it's illegal, the perpetrator not only gets convicted of manslaughter, but illegal use and drunk-driving as well.
Should the majority be paying for the crimes of the minority? No... not necessarily. I think individual freedom should win in the end though, but that's a bit of "utopian" reasoning.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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Supino
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Jan 2005 13:39 Post subject: |
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Hmmm.
Use everything with reason, and you'll be fine. Self disipline and lazyness are the two biggest problems of human-apes. Many animals like to intoxicat themselfs, the problem is lack of self disipline and reason. I believe in karma - Stronger effect = stronger side effect.
I think alcohol have a stronger effect than weed - I get numb and loose controll. Weeb makes me deep in a silly but interesting way. alcohol = think less - Weeb = think more. In other words, you may open new brainpatterns by smoking weed, you may see things diffrently. Alcohol is just a dumb ride with a hangover.
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nerrd
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Jan 2005 00:43 Post subject: |
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Im dead serious.... oh ... I feel a heart burn coming up.... got to go ....
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TheDamned
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Jan 2005 02:31 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: |
I can understand both sides of the coin though, both those who want to ban alcohol and marijuana, and those who wants them both to be free (to be able to do whatever they want with their bodies). And I agree in theory this works, the side-effects, such as drunk-driving/driving while high impairs the ability to concentrate and raises the risk of damaging and killing other people, which is a good reason for not allowing it... an argument against that is the fact that people get hold of the substances no matter if it's banned or not, but if it's illegal, the perpetrator not only gets convicted of manslaughter, but illegal use and drunk-driving as well.
Should the majority be paying for the crimes of the minority? No... not necessarily. I think individual freedom should win in the end though, but that's a bit of "utopian" reasoning. |
Nice post & conclusion.
Thanks
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Jan 2005 17:23 Post subject: |
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Yes I like Fisk's conclusion too...in the end everyone should decide for himself, as long as it won't harm or intervere with someone else's life.
| Injurious wrote: | | And then Mabel tripped over a rock and landed in a well and was trapped there with Timmy. Sadly I shot Lassie so no one is saving that bitch! |
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kurisu
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Jan 2005 11:39 Post subject: |
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of course weed is less dangerous. it's bad for the lungs when smoking it, but it doesn't kill your brain as alcohol does. don't forget, as a drug alcohol is in the same category as huffing gas or dropping ether. it's the worst drug ever actually, right up there with heroin.
also driving high doesn't impair you concentration. i'm a safer driver when i smoked the weed then when i'm sober.
don't i need some magical illegal thing?
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Jan 2005 04:59 Post subject: |
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Well .. all the big pharmaceutical companies are working on THC inhalers ... all the high, none of the smoking tons of chemicals. Perhaps the perfect way to smoke weed?
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Jan 2005 06:30 Post subject: |
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nouseforname, although it isn't backed up by evidence, it has been shown that many effects of marijuana are not as strong (especially the serotonin type 2 receptor blocking) when not smoking (they isolated the chemical for it)... don't ask me why, it's probably just pot heads trying to keep med weed legal 
PS killing brain cells versus death by cancer. Which would I rather have... hmm
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Jan 2005 01:24 Post subject: |
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bong hits? Man that brings back some memories...
One time, me and about five buddies were passing a bong around. After a while, we wanted to see if we could get more fucked up, so we put Hennesy instead of water as the filter. It worked. Later, we dared one of our buddies to drink the hennesy/bong water... the guy did, ran to the bathroom, threw up, and passed out. It was funny as hell.
Being screwed up as Cheech, we had some fun with the guy... let's just say permanent markers, raw eggs, and worse.
The fun part was that all of this was happening on a Sunday night. I can imagine how the guy showed up to work the next morning... 
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 03:18 Post subject: |
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I personally feel, after living in a household that abused both items, that they are both "evil" things.
Alcohol is alcohol. It makes you drunk, poor decisions are made, and tada insert X thing that you did here. This could be from hitting your wife, to running over an 8 year old on the street. I dont give a shit what your arguement is, alcohol is bad. And I feel I have the best opinion on this considering my father is (notice the is) an alcoholic. I have since moved away from him, and I dont plan on ever seeing him again.
Weed is weed. I have seen the chemicals which are in weed, and those chemicals are deadly without a doubt. Also once again, lives are ruined because of weed, regardless if you are the smoker, or someone being abused by the smoker. Once again, the problem with weed is poor decisions. You can give your reasons as to why this is not true, but once again, I have seen this first hand, from my cousain, who is currently a vegetable. The way he thinks and acts from all those years of using weed.. well.. He is a fucking moron now. Has a crappy life, and is just plain sad.
In my mind both these things should be completely wiped off the earth, because they both lead to - Stupidity, death, and anything else bad. You can argue all you want against me, but both these things are just fucking bad.
And please dont say, well its the people which are doing the live ruining, not the drug. You see my point.
You could also say some people use these things in moderation, and are fine with them. Well thats great, but the problem is, not everyone has this level of self control. There is no arguement for these things being good.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 05:10 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | I personally feel, after living in a household that abused both items, that they are both "evil" things.
Alcohol is alcohol. It makes you drunk, poor decisions are made, and tada insert X thing that you did here. This could be from hitting your wife, to running over an 8 year old on the street. I dont give a shit what your arguement is, alcohol is bad. And I feel I have the best opinion on this considering my father is (notice the is) an alcoholic. I have since moved away from him, and I dont plan on ever seeing him again.
Weed is weed. I have seen the chemicals which are in weed, and those chemicals are deadly without a doubt. Also once again, lives are ruined because of weed, regardless if you are the smoker, or someone being abused by the smoker. Once again, the problem with weed is poor decisions. You can give your reasons as to why this is not true, but once again, I have seen this first hand, from my cousain, who is currently a vegetable. The way he thinks and acts from all those years of using weed.. well.. He is a fucking moron now. Has a crappy life, and is just plain sad.
In my mind both these things should be completely wiped off the earth, because they both lead to - Stupidity, death, and anything else bad. You can argue all you want against me, but both these things are just fucking bad.
And please dont say, well its the people which are doing the live ruining, not the drug. You see my point.
You could also say some people use these things in moderation, and are fine with them. Well thats great, but the problem is, not everyone has this level of self control. There is no arguement for these things being good. |
Wow good post
I'll agree with you for the most part, and since everyone reacts to these drugs differently, some people might be able to handle it, but many will not, and these people will be harmful to the rest of society, but no one seems to care because they like drinking... personally there are only a few people i know who don't become annoying assholes when they get drunk.
and then...
| 13Superheros wrote: | | Edit: you have enough brain cells to last you 3+ life times. humans for the most part use less than 15% of their brain anyway. smoke away. if youre ever in the neighborhood, well roll one up. |
this is complete bullshit. (I'm a brain and cognitive science major) you don't use less tha 15% of your brain.
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| Posted: Fri, 18th Feb 2005 12:11 Post subject: |
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Hmm, well I drink, smoke, and use weed sometimes, and I must say that Weed is the mother of all....
But I live in Holland so we have extreme good quality, went to Amsterdam to get some hash, almost got knocked out after couple smokes, so it depends...
In the other hand, if you drink lots of alcohol, you CAN get korsakoff, the disease, so I don't really know what's worse
It all depends on the amount you take!
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geez sry  but isn't that a torrent ? |
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| Posted: Fri, 18th Feb 2005 12:12 Post subject: |
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| Cheeezzzz wrote: |
| 13Superheros wrote: | | Edit: you have enough brain cells to last you 3+ life times. humans for the most part use less than 15% of their brain anyway. smoke away. if youre ever in the neighborhood, well roll one up. |
this is complete bullshit. (I'm a brain and cognitive science major) you don't use less tha 15% of your brain. |
Maybe he uses only 15%...... 
| Deadelius wrote: |
geez sry but isn't that a torrent ? |
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