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LeoNatan
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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Dec 2009 17:27    Post subject:
I think by "the shit" he means it's good. Laughing Very silly expression in English, I know. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Dec 2009 17:28    Post subject:
I do! Arctic Silver 5 is godly ^_^ Just a shame about the burn-in time though, takes a while for the conductivity to really come into play.
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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Dec 2009 18:28    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
I think by "the shit" he means it's good. Laughing Very silly expression in English, I know. Laughing


oh, shit i didnt notice it. i just saw shit and thought it must suck, oh well. Razz But that leaves me to my second question?

Is the crap that comes with the stock cooler okay or is it dried out crap that you just swab off with alcohol and replace with proper cooling paste?
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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Dec 2009 18:31    Post subject:
Nope, it's crap mate. Wipe it off, clean the cooler, replace Smile
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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Dec 2009 18:37    Post subject:
But if you using a thermal paste, why not get a proper cooler with it as well? Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Dec 2009 18:39    Post subject:
don't know for amd, but intels stock cooler are more than sufficent ... aslong as you have good airflow in your case anyway
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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Dec 2009 18:42    Post subject:
Depends on the weather. Here I needed a Tuniq Tower to make my C2D E6600 go from 2.4GHz to 3.25GHz in the summer. Granted, it's not as efficient as the new CPUs, it's still better to have good cooler and be safe, rather then being sorry later. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Dec 2009 19:00    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Depends on the weather. Here I needed a Tuniq Tower to make my C2D E6600 go from 2.4GHz to 3.25GHz in the summer. Granted, it's not as efficient as the new CPUs, it's still better to have good cooler and be safe, rather then being sorry later. Smile


Well, ill have 0 balance once i get the computer, ill get one after 1-2 months and then OC it, it's like minus degrees here anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Dec 2009 19:03    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Depends on the weather. Here I needed a Tuniq Tower to make my C2D E6600 go from 2.4GHz to 3.25GHz in the summer


Same here Sad My Noctua NH-U12P was fucking AWFUL in the summer (Norway has crazy hot summers) and I was struggling to keep IDLE temps under 54c while at 3.6Ghz. Now they're a touch under 40c idle.
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Dec 2009 23:51    Post subject:
Hmm im in a bind again, cant seem to reach a conclusion about my PSU.

Should i go for the:

Corsair TX 650W PSU or Corsair VX 550W PSU?

Barely any difference except the model, one is vx and other tx.. which one would fit best for my system? I've tried googeling but i didn't find anything that seem to give me a solid answer. Only conclusion I can reach is that the VX is more quality because of the fact that it's 550W and costs almost the same as the tx Razz

But yeah, which one should i get ?

Once again full specc is :

CPU : AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3,2Ghz, AM3, 8MB, 125W, Boxed
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA790XT-UD4P, Socket-AM3, AMD 790X+SB750, ATX, DDR3
Memory: Corsair Dominator DDR3 1600MHz 4GB CL9
Case: Most likely Antec three hundred
HDD: 640GB WD caviar black edition
Graphic card : AMD : MSI 5850
PSU: ??

Thanks
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Dec 2009 00:32    Post subject:
Single +12v rail? Sad I'd stay away. Singe +12v rail is very cheap and very easy to make and is a very lazy design. Good multi-rail PSUs will provide protection and filtering between the rails; if one of your drives does bullshit, it won't make a power spike that will damage your CPU and/or GPU and/or motherboard.
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Dec 2009 00:52    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Single +12v rail? Sad I'd stay away. Singe +12v rail is very cheap and very easy to make and is a very lazy design. Good multi-rail PSUs will provide protection and filtering between the rails; if one of your drives does bullshit, it won't make a power spike that will damage your CPU and/or GPU and/or motherboard.


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ARE MULTIPLE 12-VOLT RAILS BETTER THAN A SINGLE 12-VOLT RAIL?

With all the hype about multiple 12-volt rails (ads claim that two rails is better than one, five is better than four, etc.), you'd think it was a better design. Unfortunately, it's not!

Here are the facts: A large, single 12-volt rail (without a 240VA limit) can transfer 100% of the 12-volt output from the PSU to the computer, while a multi-rail 12-volt design has distribution losses of up to 30% of the power supply's rating. Those losses occur because power literally gets "trapped" on under-utilized rails. For example, if the 12-volt rail that powers the CPU is rated for 17 amps and the CPU only uses 7A, the remaining 10A is unusable, since it is isolated from the rest of the system.

Since the maximum current from any one 12-volt rail of a multiple-rail PSU is limited to 20 amps (240VA / 12 volts = 20 amps), PCs with high-performance components that draw over 20 amps from the same rail are subject to over-current shutdowns. With power requirements for multiple processors and graphics cards continuing to grow, the multiple-rail design, with its 240VA limit per rail, is basically obsolete.


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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Dec 2009 00:56    Post subject:
That is a quote me the marketing "myth bursting" from PC Power & Cooling. I prefer to stick to what I've read over the years. Wink

Edit: BTW, none of what is said there contradicts what I wrote. Smile There is a reason why newer specs and certifications require multiple rails. Most video cards (most demanding on the +12v) now come with two connectors, so using a connector from each rail provides best stability. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Dec 2009 01:53    Post subject:
SpykeZ wrote:
iNatan wrote:
Single +12v rail? Sad I'd stay away. Singe +12v rail is very cheap and very easy to make and is a very lazy design. Good multi-rail PSUs will provide protection and filtering between the rails; if one of your drives does bullshit, it won't make a power spike that will damage your CPU and/or GPU and/or motherboard.


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ARE MULTIPLE 12-VOLT RAILS BETTER THAN A SINGLE 12-VOLT RAIL?

With all the hype about multiple 12-volt rails (ads claim that two rails is better than one, five is better than four, etc.), you'd think it was a better design. Unfortunately, it's not!

Here are the facts: A large, single 12-volt rail (without a 240VA limit) can transfer 100% of the 12-volt output from the PSU to the computer, while a multi-rail 12-volt design has distribution losses of up to 30% of the power supply's rating. Those losses occur because power literally gets "trapped" on under-utilized rails. For example, if the 12-volt rail that powers the CPU is rated for 17 amps and the CPU only uses 7A, the remaining 10A is unusable, since it is isolated from the rest of the system.

Since the maximum current from any one 12-volt rail of a multiple-rail PSU is limited to 20 amps (240VA / 12 volts = 20 amps), PCs with high-performance components that draw over 20 amps from the same rail are subject to over-current shutdowns. With power requirements for multiple processors and graphics cards continuing to grow, the multiple-rail design, with its 240VA limit per rail, is basically obsolete.



there is some confusion going on here... 240VA??? 240VA = 240W and yes 240W / 12 volts = 20 amps but where does the 240W limit come from? is it confused with 240v being the mains supply? (where would that leave 110v in the US etc) a good 750W psu can provide 500W on the 12v lines whether multi rail or not. i dont understand why this is used as proof, its technical nonsense, a decent multirail psu often has 22A - 30A on 12v lines...

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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Dec 2009 02:28    Post subject:
It's taken from the PC Power & Cooling website, a marketing propaganda in the form of "exposing myths".

http://www.pcpower.com/technology/myths/

Most of what is there is bullshit anyway.
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Dec 2009 04:48    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
It's taken from the PC Power & Cooling website, a marketing propaganda in the form of "exposing myths".

http://www.pcpower.com/technology/myths/

Most of what is there is bullshit anyway.


if you say so
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Dec 2009 10:46    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Single +12v rail? Sad I'd stay away. Singe +12v rail is very cheap and very easy to make and is a very lazy design. Good multi-rail PSUs will provide protection and filtering between the rails; if one of your drives does bullshit, it won't make a power spike that will damage your CPU and/or GPU and/or motherboard.


I'm sorry, I don't understand. are both of them single rail? If they are, what model/brands would you recommend?

Unfortunately we don't seem to have PC power and cooling in Sweden so i won't be able to get my hands on one of those.
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Dec 2009 10:51    Post subject:
Yes, they are both single rail. (PC Power & Cooling is also single rail.)

From my experience, OCZ and Antec PSUs are very good. But as usual, doing a round on OC review sites is advised. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Dec 2009 10:57    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Yes, they are both single rail. (PC Power & Cooling is also single rail.)

From my experience, OCZ and Antec PSUs are very good. But as usual, doing a round on OC review sites is advised. Smile


I see, i've also heard about this 80 plus grade or whatever it is, that psu's get. Is it something good to go on as well ? I think i've seen some Antec's around but no OCZ, ill keep looking.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Dec 2009 11:01    Post subject:
The certificate guarantees the PSU will perform at or above the stated efficiency.
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Dec 2009 12:10    Post subject:
Razacka2 wrote:
I see, i've also heard about this 80 plus grade or whatever it is, that psu's get. Is it something good to go on as well ? I think i've seen some Antec's around but no OCZ, ill keep looking.

Thanks.

The 80+ certificate should be the first thing to look for in a PSU nowadays mate, that's the first step where you can figure out which PSU's are shit. No 80+ or just a standard 80+ certificate (i.e. no Bronze or better)? Not very interesting.
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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Dec 2009 15:46    Post subject:
Well, this is how my setup is looking and i think i'm done searching, unless you guys spot something that's not very interesting.

Graphic: MSI Radeon 5850

CPU: AMD Phenom ll X4 955 3.2 ghz

MB: Gigabyte GA-MA790XT-UD4P

RAM: Corsair Dominator DDR3 1600MHz 4GB CL9

PSU: Corsair VX 550W

Case: CoolerMaster HAF 922 Midi tower black

HDD: Western Digital caviar black 500GB

Custom CPU cooler: Coolermaster hyper 212 Plus

DVD reader/burner: Samsung SH-S223C

plus some arctic silver 5

Came out total as 870 euros or so. I haven't ordered anything yet except the Graphic Card, got a confirmed date that it's coming in 2009-12-30 so once i get it ill order the rest of the stuff.

So what do you think? I'm only worried about the PSU atm but i have yet to find anything better in Sweden. Maybe I should consider ordering from a store in Europe instead.
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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Dec 2009 15:52    Post subject:
get the 965, it has C3 stepping.

955 is C2

Link

In this case I believe it's the wattage that was improved, 955 is 140watts, the 965 is 125

also gigabyte released a new board it seems like, get this one instead Smile

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128416

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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Dec 2009 15:54    Post subject:
You could tweak a small amount by changing the hdd to a faster samsung spinpoint F3 drive.

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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Dec 2009 16:45    Post subject:
Razacka2 wrote:
Well, this is how my setup is looking and i think i'm done searching, unless you guys spot something that's not very interesting.

Graphic: MSI Radeon 5850

CPU: AMD Phenom ll X4 955 3.2 ghz

MB: Gigabyte GA-MA790XT-UD4P

RAM: Corsair Dominator DDR3 1600MHz 4GB CL9

PSU: Corsair VX 550W

Case: CoolerMaster HAF 922 Midi tower black

HDD: Western Digital caviar black 500GB

Custom CPU cooler: Coolermaster hyper 212 Plus

DVD reader/burner: Samsung SH-S223C

plus some arctic silver 5

Came out total as 870 euros or so. I haven't ordered anything yet except the Graphic Card, got a confirmed date that it's coming in 2009-12-30 so once i get it ill order the rest of the stuff.

So what do you think? I'm only worried about the PSU atm but i have yet to find anything better in Sweden. Maybe I should consider ordering from a store in Europe instead.


try german stores, shipping within europe isnt expensive.

only problem i see is the HD , get the 640gb black edition, good deal faster cause of the 320gb platters
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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Dec 2009 16:52    Post subject:
Thanks, i'll order from sweden sorry.. has to do with warranty. As for the products, it seems like the 640gb black edition is out of stock everywhere and it is not being ordered in for some reason :/ though we'll see.. might be some available by the time i actually order. I'll take a look at the the MB spykez but ill keep the same processor. the upgrade will kill my budget and i cant just keep upping it. in that case i might as well get a 5970 and and extreme i7 edition, but the mb seems sensible.

I'll do some more homework on HD's.
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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Dec 2009 16:59    Post subject:
bah, your fine with WD blue's, I run my games off of em and there just fine and dandy, your only going to save yourself a few seconds loading time if that.
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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Dec 2009 17:01    Post subject:
eh i would save the money on the mb

if black edition is sold out , go for the blue edition, plenty fast also and a tad cheaper but still faster than the 500gb , i run them myself.
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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Dec 2009 17:10    Post subject:
Will my RAM sticks work fine with the UD4 that spykez linked? Or will I have to change em?
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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Dec 2009 17:22    Post subject:
as long as there DDR3 Smile

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