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consoles used to be cool.. but then pcs overtook them.. N64 was teh last great console (Besides the dreamcast)
For people saying "Xbox2 will be this.. ps3 will be that"
Pcs evolve aswell remember..
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Cheez-It
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Feb 2005 07:18 Post subject: |
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| Siddhartha wrote: | I don't understand why people are so quick to take sides in the PC vs. Console war. Honestly, if you can afford an expensive (i.e. gamer) pc, you should be able to afford a decent console too. I think everyone here made some good points...PC games generally look nicer and have games that can be modded, but consoles are more user-friendly and are more fun with friends around.
My own view is that PC gaming is dying simply because developers make more money by developing for consoles. Its cheaper and easier to develop for a console than a PC. The developers can even estimate what their user base will be with any given console, and its on a machine dedicated for gaming (whereas we all know that every PC is not a gaming PC). With that in mind, how long before most of the PC games have switched over to console, or are just console ports? When the Xbox 2 or PS3 come out, how many more of your typical PC games will switch over to the console market? As the games keep switching, how many of you will be willing to pay the big bucks to have a nice gaming PC when there are fewer and fewer games to play? That is the dilemma that gamers will face over the next several years.
When I have time, I enjoy both console and PC games but the handwriting is on the wall. |
Excellent points... unfortunately, I had to scrap for my pc and am limited in upgrading it by costs  but hanging in there!
I'd have to agree with your thoughts on the PC games being overshadowed by console games, it's very unfortunate, but it might happen. From what it looks like to me, it will be more likely that instead of PC gaming dying out or becoming "console ports", there will be a few big companies that specialize in PC games, but not a whole lot else... how many excellent games do you know that have come out from relatively unknown players in the industry? a few years back the number was quite high, nowadays, there are still some, but not nearly as many... On a side note, if consoles continue to move in the direction of the computer, as they have been doing ... with the xbox 2 and ps3 acting almost exactly like computers... I'm guessing ports will become better and better as they could utilize most of the same coding...
I don't think either will die. they might become one thing, (something more similar to a computer than a console) but they won't dissapear completely.
I miss the days of having a console and playing with a bunch of friends, it can be incredibly fun. Counter-Strike with Ventrilo does come close, but you can't see the people so it's not quite the same.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Feb 2005 09:40 Post subject: |
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ollax
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Feb 2005 11:31 Post subject: |
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Look what you ppl made me do, i had to bring out the image to end all images once again!
There is no winning/loosing!
The taste is like an ass, split and every ones got one.
Of all the things i've lost, i miss my mind the most!
"Ozzy Osbourne"
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Feb 2005 12:19 Post subject: |
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Cheez-It
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Feb 2005 15:39 Post subject: |
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I still think you guys are getting too hyped up. The CPU hasn't been a bottleneck for quite some time, no point in fingering it out now as the end all be all judgement of gaming.
I don't think either side is better per se, it just depends on the experience you're interested in.
The computer however, is more useful in many other ways, which is why I prefer it.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Feb 2005 09:42 Post subject: |
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EMULTORS rules! I will play every single XBOX , PS2 games on emulator when they released them!
Look at the PSX1 ..it was kick ass console in 1997 , and what happened ? You can play every single game from PSX 1 on PC , even graphic is much better!
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Feb 2005 13:27 Post subject: |
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| Evil Undead Dolphin wrote: | EMULTORS rules! I will play every single XBOX , PS2 games on emulator when they released them!
Look at the PSX1 ..it was kick ass console in 1997 , and what happened ? You can play every single game from PSX 1 on PC , even graphic is much better! |
Yeah, and the playstation 1 has like a 200mhz CPU with 32mb RAM. You need about 10X the processing power to emulate a console.
Now, consider the XBOX has an 800Mhz+ CPU.
Hmmm, I don't think you'll be playing them any time soon, on an emulator at least.
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Cheez-It
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Feb 2005 14:04 Post subject: |
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I could see an xbox emulator requiring less speed as it's built on the same hardware as a crappy pc... but then again i know nothing of emulation hehe
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Feb 2005 16:28 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: |
Yeah, and the playstation 1 has like a 200mhz CPU with 32mb RAM. You need about 10X the processing power to emulate a console.
Now, consider the XBOX has an 800Mhz+ CPU.
Hmmm, I don't think you'll be playing them any time soon, on an emulator at least. |
I didnt say soon , but what about 7 years from now? I will be playing FABLE on my PC even I would in retirement then.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Feb 2005 17:43 Post subject: |
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| Evil Undead Dolphin wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: |
Yeah, and the playstation 1 has like a 200mhz CPU with 32mb RAM. You need about 10X the processing power to emulate a console.
Now, consider the XBOX has an 800Mhz+ CPU.
Hmmm, I don't think you'll be playing them any time soon, on an emulator at least. |
I didnt say soon , but what about 7 years from now? I will be playing FABLE on my PC even I would in retirement then. |
But why? When you could get an xbox for about £20.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Feb 2005 18:00 Post subject: |
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One thing has come short in this discussion. It's about the resolution of nowerdays TV's. I mean the new consoles might have the newest hardware, wich is useless if you play it on your TV with standard pal or ntsc resolution. The graphics would still look like shit compared to high res textures and effects on up to date PCs.
Does anybody know if the upcoming consoles do support HDTV and if so, what kind of? Imagine playing at 1080i (1920 × 1080), this would mean serious competition to the PC. Sadly my HDTV only supports 720p, but i played HL2 on it and that was really awesome. So i think the new consoles can only be close competitors to the PC if they support much higher resolutions and if they do have a dvi out, to digitally transfer the signal to the screeen. And remember, consoles have a much longer life-cycle than PCs have, wich means they have to be ahead of current PCs if they want to keep up with upcoming PC technology.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Feb 2005 19:16 Post subject: |
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| ELIZ wrote: | | This war will never end like war between Palestina & Israel |
Maybe , but one thing is really iritating , i
I tell you guys something THIS IS NOT TALK ABOUT CONSOLES vs PC ...its PC GAMES vs CONSOLE GAMES....nobody gives a flying fuck if you own PC , XBOX , or PS2...
Game developers are running the show these days..for
exmp. HALO = prettey good on CONSOLE , so fucked up on PC cnversion
GTA VC , GTA SAN ANDREAS : pretty good on both , but released later for PC , or havent being released yet..
RESIDENT EVIL series? WTF? Does GC , XBOX , PS2 have a fucking monopol survival on horror genre??????
Thats the real cause of trouble...
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Feb 2005 20:16 Post subject: |
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| woozap wrote: | both have a right to excist, the question is if console games FUCK up PC games because developers develop a game for a console & pc at the same time, which result in a crappy PC game because of the technical 'denial' they meet if they want to keep the game playable on a console.
This results in a Deus Ex 2, and a Thief 3.
I think it would be better to develop a game on PC, then develop it on console. Not because it would be better for the PC, but because then the developers really can max out the game experience hardware/software wise and know what has to be kept in at all costs to make sure the console game is also a succes when they port it over..
It has nothing to do with PC / Console cos i own both and prefer both, this is a objective point of view what would be best for the sake and quality of games. |
WELL SPOKEN !!!
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Feb 2005 21:10 Post subject: |
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| DeepRed wrote: |
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I hope youre not saying that games on PC got worse controls than Xbox cause you are dead wrong...mouse is way much smoother and accurate compare to a fuckin controller.
If you mean the controls are fucked up with console port games well on that issue you re totally right. I tried to play SH4 on PC and it has the worst controls ever and end up deleting the game after 15 minutes of play.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Feb 2005 21:27 Post subject: |
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| Kommando wrote: | | DeepRed wrote: |
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I hope youre not saying that games on PC got worse controls than Xbox cause you are dead wrong...mouse is way much smoother and accurate compare to a fuckin controller.
If you mean the controls are fucked up with console port games well on that issue you re totally right. I tried to play SH4 on PC and it has the worst controls ever and end up deleting the game after 15 minutes of play. |
Well it depends on the game.
Fighting and platform games are better on console, strategy and FPS are better on PC.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Feb 2005 22:15 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | Kommando wrote: | | DeepRed wrote: |
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I hope youre not saying that games on PC got worse controls than Xbox cause you are dead wrong...mouse is way much smoother and accurate compare to a fuckin controller.
If you mean the controls are fucked up with console port games well on that issue you re totally right. I tried to play SH4 on PC and it has the worst controls ever and end up deleting the game after 15 minutes of play. |
Well it depends on the game.
Fighting and platform games are better on console, strategy and FPS are better on PC. |
True, but games like Halo aren't that bad with a controller. I thought it would be horrible, as I was used to FPS on the PC, but its decent. Mouse and keyboard are definitely better for strategy and FPS, but good luck relaxing on your couch while using them.
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DeepRed
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Feb 2005 22:58 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | Do you know the specifications of the Xbox 2?
It kicks the ass of current PC's.
It will have a 7-8 Ghz processor, a graphics card with a core speed of over 1ghz and probably RAM to match.
Now compare that to the current Xbox, and you can imagine the type of graphics it'll be capable of.
It's due out before the end of the year. |
yeah a 7-8 Powerpc cpu . Just becauase it says it can handle 7-8 ghz dosent mean that it will be as effective as a intel cpu for example . A Powerpc consume less power wich make it an ideal cpu for a console but it cant handle as many instructions as athlon or a intel .
And the lack of memory will be a problem in the future (256mb) . Mafia for example ran fine on a 800mhz pc with 256mb memory . But It didnt run as great on x-box becuase of the low memory (64mb) .
I own a modded ps2 (and soon a modded gamecube) so i have nothing against consoles , its just that they´ll never be better than a modern pc .
My opinion is that some games are better for consoles (figthing , racing , platform ..etc) and some for pc ( fps , strategy , rpg ..etc)
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Feb 2005 23:41 Post subject: |
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The Xbox 2 will be weaker than current top line PCs.
Dont misread the 'stats' in equivalent shifting of data PCs can already handle what the Xbox 2 can manage.
There is no 'magic technology' that secret Xbox developers have. The most powerful and high end chips are being produced by Intel and AMD and they are PC CPUs.
Even the Mac for all its talk cant outpower them in real terms. When you operate a different style of handling data its easy to compare numbers and look better, just remeber its the overall power in what it can crunch that counts and PCs will always have the advantage because its the PC market which creates all the hardware advances.
Not saying the Xbox 2 will be bad, but it will be no more unique that PS2 or Xbox one in their time. By comparison to PCs it will be around about the same as Xbox was when it was launched by contrast to a PC.
PC moves very quickly, in six month cycles and current top end PCs are blindingly fast.
The reason Xbox games slow down on PCs so badly i suspect is precisely because they dont utilise the true threading power and cycles of the PC cpu. Maybe someone more tech advanced can explain better why lower quality graphics titles from Xbox run so horrid on a Pc?
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Feb 2005 23:58 Post subject: |
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We'll see.
Btw, the Xbox 2 has a gig of RAM.
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Feb 2005 02:09 Post subject: |
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| MuterFurker wrote: |
A top PC can match both easily. Within a couple of months of their release they will be hugely outdated by comparison.
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Haha, I don't think so. 'Hugely outdated' is a bit of an exaggeration.The xbox 2 has the equivalent of an 8ghz processor. Maybe they'll be matched.
What you've gotta remember is they had chronicals of riddick (which looks fantastic) running perfectly on an 800mhz machine with 64mb RAM.
I can't wait to see what they can do with 8Ghz and 1GB RAM.
BTW, chronicals of riddick runs perfectly on my computer (1600x1200), better then Doom 3. I think it looks almost as good too.
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