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dominae
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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Nov 2009 08:18    Post subject:
dominae wrote:
...then you don't know what you're talking about.


I rest my case. NO ONE can count Couture out. He's one of the most respected MMA-fighters in the world for good reason. He's won against Gonzaga, Sylvia, Vera and Van Arsdale. And that's all within the past two years. Nearly all his fights have been five-rounders and I think your analysis of the nog-fight is nonsense. You think his dominating performance against Belfort is a thing of the past? It's just four years ago, lol, for a fighter that's been doing professional MMA for 15-years, that's pretty damn good.

Did you see his boxing against Sylvia at all? He outstruck someone who has beaten Arlovski (who is a damn good striker) not to mention Brandon Vera. I mean opponents like Arlovski and Sylvia have been stopped by the likes of Fedor, but come on man. He's had two belts simultaneously in two weight-classes. Trying to speak ill of Couture just makes you clueless.

Take into account the fact that he took this fight on short notice due to the BJ Penn vs. Sanchez fight not happening. He had said he would just go back to his basic wrestling on this fight which Vera couldn't stop. And that's a Brandon Vera (claiming himself) that he's on a path to taking a belt. If he can't stop a 46-year old "dwindling fighter" like you claim, then Vera must be a really horrible fighter. Which he isn't (but please, go ahead and claim that too).
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madmax17




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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Nov 2009 16:54    Post subject:
wtf is going on with Brock, he is so sick I hear retirement is an option, although it's probably to early to tell I assume. If he ever comes back it won't be any time soon, now they should just take the belt and have one match for it, probably Cain vs Carwin or Minotauro.
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Krest




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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Nov 2009 18:13    Post subject:
By outstruck Sylvia, do you mean that initial knockdown? As far as I remember, that was the only thing that happened on their feet, most of the time they were on the ground, with Randy in control but not being close to finishing. And let me remind you that Sylvia had hurt his back, and I would like to see anyone try to dodge a punch or roll on the mat with a hurt back.

I am sorry to bag on Randy, I know he is a very popular fighter, but how many undeserved title shots can the man get. You are right, he did hold two belts in two weightclass, but thats because he was given countless opportunities to do so. He losses in one weight class, and he immediately gets a title shot in another. And Bringing Mike Van Arsdale are you serious, the dude lost every serious fight he had (the fight was over 4 years btw, not 2).

And who exactly did Vera beat to be an above average fighter. He beat Mir who was out of shape coming from his bike accident. He knew he was small HW, so he cut to LHW (which he said he would never do), and loses to up-and-down Jardine. His next 2 wins are not exactly title shot contenders. In Randy's fight, I thought he did more damage in seconds they were separated with taking a mount, than Randy did in the whole fight.

And wait, I do not think he held 2 belts at THE SAME time. He loses to Josh and Rodriguez, and moves down to LHW. Josh later suspended for steroids. In LHW he immediately gets a shot at Chuck (who was the top contender for the belt, very undeserving imo) and then title shot against Tito. Then 2 more fights against Chuck and him losing causes retirement. Coming out of retirement he immediately gets HW title shot.

And I have huge respect for Randy. All I said IMO, he will not make a dent in LHW division. He may be given title shot since he is very marketable, but IMO he will not beat Machida/Shogun.


Sig too big. -Nothing is too big for Fedor. Expect a nasty armbar.
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djaoni




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PostPosted: Tue, 17th Nov 2009 02:50    Post subject:
I totally forgot about WEC 44 this Wednesday..

Brown v Aldo should be a good fight.
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dominae
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PostPosted: Thu, 19th Nov 2009 05:11    Post subject:
My predictions for 106:

* Light Heavyweight bout: United States Tito Ortiz vs. United States Forrest Griffin
* Welterweight bout: United States Josh Koscheck vs. United States Anthony Johnson
* Welterweight bout: United States Amir Sadollah vs. United States Phil Baroni
* Light Heavyweight bout: Brazil Luiz Cane vs. Brazil Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
* Welterweight bout: Armenia Karo Parisyan vs. United States Dustin Hazelett

[edit] Preliminary Card (Spike TV)

* Welterweight bout: United States Ben Saunders vs. United States Marcus Davis
* Middleweight bout: United States Kendall Grove vs. United States Jake Rosholt

[edit] Preliminary Card (Non-televised)

* Welterweight bout: Brazil Paulo Thiago vs. United States Jacob Volkmann
* Welterweight bout: United States Brock Larson vs. United States Brian Foster
* Lightweight bout: Japan Caol Uno vs. Brazil Fabricio Camoes
* Lightweight bout: Australia George Sotiropoulos vs. United States Jason Dent
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djaoni




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PostPosted: Thu, 19th Nov 2009 05:20    Post subject:
Wow how many punches to the back of the head was that by Aldo? Laughing

Aldo looks really good but Mazzagatti is one of the worst refs in MMA..
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dominae
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PostPosted: Thu, 19th Nov 2009 05:25    Post subject:
djaoni wrote:
Wow how many punches to the back of the head was that by Aldo? Laughing

Aldo looks really good but Mazzagatti is one of the worst refs in MMA..


The Athletic Commission is doing a poor job, and Steve Mazzagatti is atrocious. I wish they could find another way...
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djaoni




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PostPosted: Fri, 20th Nov 2009 05:29    Post subject:
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dominae
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PostPosted: Fri, 20th Nov 2009 05:32    Post subject:
That sucks, I love watching Karo fight.


I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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Krest




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Nov 2009 06:22    Post subject:
Ha, embarrassing, ladies showed Vera and Couture how a fight should look like. Though a very brutal beat down by Vera, was kind of weird to see a girl throwing those haymakers and then they showed Couture's face; Vera has some powerful punches.


Sig too big. -Nothing is too big for Fedor. Expect a nasty armbar.
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djaoni




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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd Nov 2009 05:03    Post subject:
Lil Nog looked better than he did in Affliction. Guess we got ourselves another title contender at 205. Laughing
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mag2005




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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd Nov 2009 07:00    Post subject:
Lil Nog only look good because Cane didn't look good. A good fighter knows to move around and have their hands up. Cane keep dropping his hands and stand there taking hits not moving away.

Ortiz was the same. Ortiz look bad with his stand up. He didn't do anything accept a fail take down attempt in the third. Griffin did good, but Tito didn't didn't want to fight.

Kos impress me fighting a bigger looking Anthony.


If you hate it, ignore it.
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djaoni




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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd Nov 2009 18:49    Post subject:
While I agree Cane didn't look good I wouldn't say that's the only reason Nog looked good.

Yeah Kos did good even in the standup against Johnson, shows that Johnson wasn't ready for a title shot just like Dan Hardy isn't.
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madmax17




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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Nov 2009 19:55    Post subject:
Nog is great, not a legend like his brother but still very good, just look at who he's beaten, his opponent was pretty much inferior in this fight and btw a lot of people were picking Cane to be the winner before the fight.
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Krest




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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Dec 2009 01:59    Post subject:
Just watched the finale and I have to say there is absolutely NO talent in TUF 10, except maybe Roy and Schaub (no surprise they made it to finals). That was just disgusting, every single one of them gassed badly. And every single one of them looked really one dimensional. Even if it is their not natural weight, I dont think the talent will come to them once they cut to their natural weight.

Kimbo will probably fight another one dimensional striker, but will lose as soon as he faces half decent wrestler/JJ guy. Huston gave him his back, let Kimbo mount him several times, and Kimbo looked lost.

Hopefully people will not base their opinion on MMA based on this TUF because it will do no good. People will see MMA as beer-bellied guys who gas after throwing a few haymakers.

Lets hope next TUF is either LHW or LW, I think those are the most exiting divisions.


Sig too big. -Nothing is too big for Fedor. Expect a nasty armbar.
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dominae
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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Dec 2009 02:03    Post subject:
Krest wrote:
Just watched the finale and I have to say there is absolutely NO talent in TUF 10, except maybe Roy and Schaub (no surprise they made it to finals). That was just disgusting, every single one of them gassed badly. And every single one of them looked really one dimensional. Even if it is their not natural weight, I dont think the talent will come to them once they cut to their natural weight.

Kimbo will probably fight another one dimensional striker, but will lose as soon as he faces half decent wrestler/JJ guy. Huston gave him his back, let Kimbo mount him several times, and Kimbo looked lost.

Hopefully people will not base their opinion on MMA based on this TUF because it will do no good. People will see MMA as beer-bellied guys who gas after throwing a few haymakers.

Lets hope next TUF is either LHW or LW, I think those are the most exiting divisions.


You have to admit Jon "Bones" Jones looked really good though.
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Krest




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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Dec 2009 02:23    Post subject:
Oh I meant people on TUF 10, and not the LHW and LW bout. Indeed Jones looked good and DQ was a bit excessive since he was dominating even without those illegal elbows.


Sig too big. -Nothing is too big for Fedor. Expect a nasty armbar.
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dominae
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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Dec 2009 15:43    Post subject:
Krest wrote:
Oh I meant people on TUF 10, and not the LHW and LW bout. Indeed Jones looked good and DQ was a bit excessive since he was dominating even without those illegal elbows.


Yeah, TUF10 was not so good. Was fun to see Big Planet shut all the whiners up though. Kimbo proved to be a massive waste of time, he seems to have lost all the fire, and it was by a hair that he won that fight, against an ever-dwindling Houston Alexander.
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PostPosted: Sun, 13th Dec 2009 13:16    Post subject:
Holy hell, see the size of the cut on sanchez's head.
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dominae
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PostPosted: Sun, 13th Dec 2009 16:47    Post subject:
Holy hell, see the dominant performance of Mir.


I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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madmax17




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PostPosted: Sun, 13th Dec 2009 23:48    Post subject:
Mir really got himself in shape Laughing Brock is probably praying not to get healthy. Ever.

First fight was great between Struve and Paul, what a slugfeast.
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Big_Gun




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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Dec 2009 06:04    Post subject:
madmax17 wrote:
Brock is probably praying not to get healthy. Ever.


I highly doubt that.


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Krest




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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Dec 2009 18:05    Post subject:
Was there ever a time like this where the current champs are so above everyone else. I would like to see Brock fight Carwin first, but I think he is going to win. And sure Mir has gotten big, but the fight lasted 5 seconds so who knows how his hugeness affects him in the long run. Brock has been huge all his life, and people laugh at wrasslin but those guys are athletic as well as big.

Machida/Shogun also seem to be above everyone else, but I think HW and LHW will be the most unstable in terms of champs. Plus now Nog entered the picture and looked good.

But the rest of the champs seem unbeatable. Who can challenge Silva now that Henderson is gone. He did the best against Silva for one round but then lost like everyone else. GSP has also cleaned out his division and future challengers will probably be rematches which he took handily. And now BJ made the challenger look like a MMA beginner.
I think most of those guys will try to move up which Silva is already doing. BJ will probably try to get GSP fight, and GSP might face Silva which will be a good fight.


Sig too big. -Nothing is too big for Fedor. Expect a nasty armbar.
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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Dec 2009 18:46    Post subject:
Welp
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Big_Gun




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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Dec 2009 18:46    Post subject:
Krest wrote:
. Brock has been huge all his life, and people laugh at wrasslin but those guys are athletic as well as big.


Brock has REAL wrestling experience. That counts a lot IMHO.
People say he ate steroids but he was that Big in his NCAA championship days and their testing is pretty strict. People just find it hard to believe that anyone can just be that big but it is possible. look at him and carwin's hands. Bone structure. Made for mass. Can't get that by eating steroids.

Penn really did a number on sanchez. i thought Penn would win, but that was far more a blowout than i ever thought it would be.

I dunno who will challenge those guys and it is going to get old seeing the same one's challenge them.


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Krest




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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Dec 2009 19:26    Post subject:
Yeah that is why I dont like it. There isnt much interest in those titlefights anymore. They can hype challengers all they want but everyone knows champs are way above everyone else. Unless it's by some freak incident like GSP vs Serra, I do not see anyone dethroning them any time soon.


Sig too big. -Nothing is too big for Fedor. Expect a nasty armbar.
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dominae
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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Dec 2009 20:18    Post subject:
I'm looking forward to Belfort vs. Silva.


I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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Big_Gun




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PostPosted: Thu, 17th Dec 2009 04:38    Post subject:
dominae wrote:
I'm looking forward to Belfort vs. Silva.


aye me too. But I think Silva will win that one.


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madmax17




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PostPosted: Thu, 17th Dec 2009 09:50    Post subject:
You mean Silva-Evans, both only lost to Machida.
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PostPosted: Thu, 17th Dec 2009 11:27    Post subject:
madmax17 wrote:
You mean Silva-Evans, both only lost to Machida.

They are talking about the Vitor-AndersonSilva title fight, which was postponed.

I think Rashad is way better than Thiago Silva.

And I really didn't expect Diego to be demolished like that, I should have noticed how 1-dimensional his striking is, and that he can't adapt to a losing fight. But I didn't. He got wrecked hard.
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