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 Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2009 17:18 Post subject: Looking to upgrade desktop hardware. |
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So yeah, just looking to upgrade my current desktop because i want to be able to run games a bit smoother etc.
My current setup is:
power supply : 520W but crappy manufacturer
Motherboard: Asus P5k ddr2
GPU: XFX Nvidia GTS 320 MB
RAM: 2 GB DDR2
CPU: 2.4ghz intel dual core.
So basically i'm on a tight budget, about 255 euros atm. I'm looking to stretch it and just upgrade it to be able to run upcoming games smoothly without lagging to much, just a general gaming computer. My current thoughts atm are too upgrade the GPU and RAM, perhaps 4 gig ddr2?
Anyway, some input on what to upgrade would be cool. I haven't checked stores etc for the latest hardware in about 6 months so I don't know what stuff that is good and not so good.
Thanks.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2009 17:43 Post subject: |
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upgrade your videocard for now , thats what matters the most in gaming.
ATI HD 5770 is a good choice , its around 160-170 euros depending where you buy it. I know many say to go for the 4870 instead, but really last time i checked the prices were very comparable for the 1GB models, and the 5770 had 70fps where 4870 had 73fps, but the 5770 is DX11 ( it wont be a fail as dx10 ) uses alot less power and produces therefor alot less heat , also the stock coolers have vaporx already.
what is the chipset of that mobo, P35? RAM prices have gone up by alot since may, for example i bought 4GB DDR2 for 45 euros in germany back then, now its up to around 80 euros. So i wouldnt buy ram unless its straight for DDR3 .
170 euros for the videocard doesnt leave alot of room to upgrade the cpu on an intel setup, i would honestly save up the cash and simply go for an AMD setup later on since its alot faster than intel for the same money , for example a quadcore at 2.6ghz for 80euros that any mainboard and even my mother can overclock to 3.3ghz ( they reach 3.6 ) , a mainboard would cost you 70 euro for the best non crossfire mainboard ( gigabyte 770 UD3 ) and 4GB DDR3 would cost you around 70 euros for the GSKILL RIPJAWs series.
so in short, upgrading the videocard would give you the most performance increase now, it would also give you no issues putting it into future builds.
Remaining money i would save up to buy the cpu ram mobo combo, cause i feel if you do spent money, it better be something decent and future proof.
You could spent the remaning money on a new PSU though , go for 600-650watt quality psu , you wont ever need more, good brands are Corsair / OCZ but not cheap.
I hope this was of any help
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2009 18:03 Post subject: |
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| Stefan F wrote: | upgrade your videocard for now , thats what matters the most in gaming.
ATI HD 5770 is a good choice , its around 160-170 euros depending where you buy it. I know many say to go for the 4870 instead, but really last time i checked the prices were very comparable for the 1GB models, and the 5770 had 70fps where 4870 had 73fps, but the 5770 is DX11 ( it wont be a fail as dx10 ) uses alot less power and produces therefor alot less heat , also the stock coolers have vaporx already.
what is the chipset of that mobo, P35? RAM prices have gone up by alot since may, for example i bought 4GB DDR2 for 45 euros in germany back then, now its up to around 80 euros. So i wouldnt buy ram unless its straight for DDR3 .
170 euros for the videocard doesnt leave alot of room to upgrade the cpu on an intel setup, i would honestly save up the cash and simply go for an AMD setup later on since its alot faster than intel for the same money , for example a quadcore at 2.6ghz for 80euros that any mainboard and even my mother can overclock to 3.3ghz ( they reach 3.6 ) , a mainboard would cost you 70 euro for the best non crossfire mainboard ( gigabyte 770 UD3 ) and 4GB DDR3 would cost you around 70 euros for the GSKILL RIPJAWs series.
so in short, upgrading the videocard would give you the most performance increase now, it would also give you no issues putting it into future builds.
Remaining money i would save up to buy the cpu ram mobo combo, cause i feel if you do spent money, it better be something decent and future proof.
You could spent the remaning money on a new PSU though , go for 600-650watt quality psu , you wont ever need more, good brands are Corsair / OCZ but not cheap.
I hope this was of any help |
Hmm ok, thanks for the advice. Also I looked up the chipset of the mobo, It says Intel P35 / ICH9 with intel fast memory access technology, and the socket is LGA775.
Also I looked at a swedish site where I found that:
INTEL PENTIUM DUAL CORE E6300 2.8GHZ SKT775 FSB1066 2MB CACHE BOXED IN (BX80571E6300) 770 SEK = 72 euros
ASUS ATI Radeon HD5770 1024MB PCI-E 2xDVI/ HDMI/ DisplayPort HDCP Fan (EAH5770/2DIS/1GD5) 1650 SEK = 155 EUROS
Total : 227 euros
Is that something to go on?
I can probably get it for about 200 euros if I search some more, just wanted to get an estimate.
Also i'd rather buy it now if i can find something that actually works, otherwise i'd be able to wait until christmas or so when i cash in on loads of money. Also I might be able to push it up to 300-350 euros if that helps.
But what do you think of those two hardware pieces up there? Is the pentium series good or?
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2009 18:41 Post subject: |
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the cpu would work with a decent overclock, question is how soon would you be able to get some extra funds? if its just a few more months , i would wait and get everything else new also.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2009 18:48 Post subject: |
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I'd probably be able get the extra funds very quickly, as in a few days.
At least I'm set for a GPU, but is my cpu really crap? At least I think it's decent but I haven't really checked in on computer hardware for quite a while. Maybe it's a better choice to get the 5770 and 2 gig of ram + new psu and wait 1-2 months and finally get MB + processor?
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2009 19:09 Post subject: |
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wait with the ram, as new system will use DDR3
get the videocard + psu for now
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2009 19:47 Post subject: |
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dont buy a new cpu.
Is it overclocked? you can overclock almost every intel dualcore cpu to at least 3000 Mhz.
Take the money you save here and get a DECENT Videocard like the 5850.
almost all new games will run perfect with max settings in high resolutions with that card - and it wont bttelneck (to much) if u upgrade in a year or so.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2009 20:08 Post subject: |
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Nah it isn't overclocked, will i need extra cooling if i overclock it? I am currently only running with the CPU fan. Also is a Corsair VX 450W PSU enough or will i need more?
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2009 20:10 Post subject: |
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If you're going for AMD cpu go for Phenom II X2 550 - it's basically 4 core proc with 2 of them disabled (not that you really need them, but anyhow). It's also BE, so you can overclock it...
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 00:27 Post subject: |
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you wont need extra cooling - and yes - the psu is perfectly fine
maybe read up about overclocking your cpu in a forum that is more into this kinda things.
you`ll get plenty of help and it`s not really hard at all. I never fried a cpu.
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 11:52 Post subject: |
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Is it worth getting the 5850? I've got some extra money now so i'll be able to afford it + that PSU for now and then the rest later.
Is the gap between 5850 big or is it just better to get 5770?
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 12:13 Post subject: |
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5770 will play all your games at max setting , 5850 is faster but also a good deal more expensive , money which you should invest in your other parts
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 12:25 Post subject: |
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| Stefan F wrote: | | 5770 will play all your games at max setting , 5850 is faster but also a good deal more expensive , money which you should invest in your other parts |
I see, well i've got 70 euros left if i buy the 5770 + the corsair PSU. Should I just keep it for the next wave of upgrade or is there anything I can buy for now?
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 12:37 Post subject: |
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save it up man, CPU will be around 130 mobo around 70 and ram around ...70-80ish.
So lets say save up 300 for the next investment.
what kind of harddrive do you have? also important as its the slowest part in any PC
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 13:42 Post subject: |
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Western digital 640GB black edition , about 50 euros , very fast HD , i use it myself.
http://geizhals.at/eu/a365287.html
To the poster above , we are talking about the 5770, not the 5750 , the 5770 is on par with the 4870 1GB and roughly the same price , so no reason to go for the 4870.
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 13:49 Post subject: |
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Alright, guess I could go for a new hdd,psu and gpu for now. Exactly what do you recommend me to buy in december when it comes to MB,CPU and RAM? Should I go for AMD or Intel? I suppose i might as well go for ddr3 as well.
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 13:52 Post subject: |
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cheapest 5770 here: ~140 € incl. shipping
cheapest 4870 1024: ~115€ " "
cheapest 4870 512: ~100€ " "
cheapest 5850: ~215€ " "
well: that`s 30% more for the fastest single gpu card available (despite the 5870 oc.)
And even the 5770 is slightly slower compared to the 4870.
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 14:15 Post subject: |
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AMD cause its cheaper than intel and on par performance wise, and its still a slight overkill for games when you look at the benchmarks since its all about the videocard.
comparisson between the 2 below to see for yourself
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/intel_corei5750_corei7870/12.htm
CPU: AMD phenom II 955 - as low as 130 euros in germany for a top cpu, i remember paying 260 for midrange cpu..... when you install the cpu you can OC it through the multiplier to 3.6ghz or leave it at 3.2ghz and undervolt , i persnally cant tell the difference on my bro his rig
mainboard : Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P , 65 euros , you simply dont need more , dont let the bland look scare you away, it has all the high quality components the FX series has like the ultra durable additions, OCs just as well etc. Only difference is that the 770 doesnt have crossfire, which you shouldnt need anyway.
Memory : possibly the best DDR3 ram out there now , the ripjaw series fromGSKILL , read some raving reviews about em this week which doesnt surprise me as GSKILL is known for top quality without being overpriced, i suggest the following http://geizhals.at/eu/a456506.html 73 euros for the lowest latency version
so thats 270 euros , lets make it 300 depending on shipping costs or the shop you buy it at.
hope this was helpful, and you wont regret your purchase a single second
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 14:15 Post subject: |
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| AwE wrote: | cheapest 5770 here: ~140 € incl. shipping
cheapest 4870 1024: ~115€ " "
cheapest 4870 512: ~100€ " "
cheapest 5850: ~215€ " "
well: that`s 30% more for the fastest single gpu card available (despite the 5870 oc.)
And even the 5770 is slightly slower compared to the 4870. |
Yeah but isn't the 5770 worth it because of dx11? or is dx11 gonna be a bust?
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 14:16 Post subject: |
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also alot less power draw and heat, also the stock cooler is pretty good compared to the 4870.
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 14:19 Post subject: |
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Alright, while these things still be good in 1-2 months time? or is there coming something new by then which will render the CPU,ddr3 and MB useless and perhaps make the things that are good now drop in price.
Sorry for asking so much, just planing ahead and making sure that all corners are checked.
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 14:28 Post subject: |
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questions are to never be apologized for, knowledge is power especially when building a computer.
FYI tho, if your getting the 5850 (I have one...yum yum) make sure your CPU isn't going to bottleneck it. I saw NO increase over my 8800GT cause of my cpu  lol
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 14:37 Post subject: |
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| Razacka2 wrote: | Alright, while these things still be good in 1-2 months time? or is there coming something new by then which will render the CPU,ddr3 and MB useless and perhaps make the things that are good now drop in price.
Sorry for asking so much, just planing ahead and making sure that all corners are checked. |
nothing new coming out for a long time
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 14:46 Post subject: |
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which cpu do you have SpykeZ?
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 14:49 Post subject: |
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| Stefan F wrote: | | Razacka2 wrote: | Alright, while these things still be good in 1-2 months time? or is there coming something new by then which will render the CPU,ddr3 and MB useless and perhaps make the things that are good now drop in price.
Sorry for asking so much, just planing ahead and making sure that all corners are checked. |
nothing new coming out for a long time |
Hmm alright, what about price drops? What is the reason for memory sticks to go up in price again? was it the recession or the introduction of ddr3? I remember that ddr2 sticks costed like shit, should have bought some before just in case.
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 15:38 Post subject: |
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| AwE wrote: | | which cpu do you have SpykeZ? |
You really want to embarass me like this? Ok BEFORE I what I have, let it be known first it was step 1 in getting my computer upgraded to a phenom II AM3 system.
*sigh*
AMD X2 4400+ socket 939 2.4 GHz >.<
ya thats right, pc fucking 3200 hhaa
| Razacka2 wrote: | | Stefan F wrote: | | Razacka2 wrote: | Alright, while these things still be good in 1-2 months time? or is there coming something new by then which will render the CPU,ddr3 and MB useless and perhaps make the things that are good now drop in price.
Sorry for asking so much, just planing ahead and making sure that all corners are checked. |
nothing new coming out for a long time |
Hmm alright, what about price drops? What is the reason for memory sticks to go up in price again? was it the recession or the introduction of ddr3? I remember that ddr2 sticks costed like shit, should have bought some before just in case. |
the older hardware becomes, it is considered legacy. I paid 80 bucks for 2GB of memory for my old gaming desktop just to get it up to 4GB (pc3200)
I hate buying legacy hardware, go look at AGP cards lol |
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 15:44 Post subject: |
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Alright, this is a system i've come up with so far, let me know what you think:
PSU: Corsair VX 450W PSU : 61 euros
GPU : Sapphire Radeon HD 5770 1GB GDDR5 : 138 euros
MB: Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P, Socket-AM3 : 81 euros
CPU: AMD Phenom II X2 550 : 91 euros
RAM : Corsair Dominator DDR3 1600MHz 4GB CL9 : 111 euros
HD: Western Digital Caviar® Black™ 640GB : 58 euros
total: 540 euros
Is this any good or?
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