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Mutantius
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| Mchart wrote: | | Sublime wrote: | | erm...... you got ripped off? because you purchased the game via steam? if you ask me i dont think they made that much money.. sure they had the distribution and warehousing fees cut off, but they still paid for the BW and servers etc. its not as though steam has a major flaw that gives out these personal details otherwise it would be shut down in an instant and it would be sued for billions. |
I got ripped off because they disabled my account which contained 100+ dollars of software on it fucktard. Learn to read. |
So thats the reason! Dude If u download the steam games u fuck with valve and then Valve fucks with u...
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2005 11:39 Post subject: |
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Steam sucks, that's for sure and i can't believe that the majority here doesn't see that. The German Consumer Lobby has even filed a dissuasion against Vivendi and Valve. The points they complain about is the packaing of the box. It doesn't say clearly that you MUST have an internet connection, even if you want to play SP. The second thing is the license aggreement wich is only in English and therefore it may be invalide in Germany, and the third point is the major point. Because of the license aggreement and the steam shit you can't resale the game once you activated it, and that really sucks, i sell most of the games i have bought after a while, but that's not possible with stream, the copy is bound to the steam account. They have to pay a fine of 6000 euro for every sold copy in Germany if they sign the dissuasion and don't resolve the above issues.
I could only find German links for this:
http://www.hardtecs4u.com/
So there is no single advantage for the consumer with steam, only for the publisher. The updates you are talking about can easliy obtained without steam, i guess we all know how to download , don't we  , and most of the updates are only released to update the protection in online play. And i don't see any lower prices on steam, it is actually cheaper to buy the box in a store. Steam only resticts the freedom of the consumers 
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Cheez-It
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Jan 2005 19:01 Post subject: |
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OK, not being able to resell your game is annoying, but not "illegal" You can't resell food you buy in a store, you can't resell a lot of things, it's up to the maker of the product to determine, not you.
It really doesn't say that on the box, for minimum requirements for the game? I'm certain they wouldn't have been that lazy whoKnows... take a pic of your box if im wrong!
finally... that thing about it being in english, good point, they should make a german one.
all in all? this has nothing to do with whether steam sucks or not....
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005 22:02 Post subject: |
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| Cheez-It wrote: | OK, being able to resell your game is annoying, but not "illegal" You can't resell food you buy in a store, you can't resell a lot of things, it's up to the maker of the product to determine, not you.
It really doesn't say that on the box, for minimum requirements for the game? I'm certain they wouldn't have been that lazy whoKnows... take a pic of your box if im wrong!
finally... that thing about it being in english, good point, they should make a german one.
all in all? this has nothing to do with whether steam sucks or not.... |
Yes, it is illegal, read the EULA. Comparing your steam account to food is like me comparing the anatomy of a baboon to a worm.
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005 22:53 Post subject: |
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Like any game, you don't buy the game - you buy a license to use the game. Technically you can still sell this license like you would any other game by selling your account.
Im a cockfag
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005 23:04 Post subject: |
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| dryan wrote: | | Like any game, you don't buy the game - you buy a license to use the game. Technically you can still sell this license like you would any other game by selling your account. |
Except you fail to see my, and everyone elses point. IT IS ILLEGAL. The EULA for steam even clearly states this. In fact, let me post it for you;
-From Section 2, Article E, Paragraph 2-
"You are entitled to use the Steam Software for your own use, but you are not entitled to: (i) sell, grant a security interest in or transfer reproductions of the Steam Software to other parties in any way, nor to rent, lease or license the Steam Software to others without the prior written consent of Valve"
Let me zoom in on a part of this, in case you cant see it.
"not entitled to: (i) sell, grant a security interest in or transfer reproductions of the Steam Software to other parties in any way"
http://steampowered.com/index.php?area=subscriber_agreement
Now its easy to understand why so many people like steam. I would normally post in my insightful comments here, but I cant, because I would probally be banned again. Damn..
Oh and G, look what I found, which further supports our theory that it is illegal.
"If you permit others to use your Account, you are responsible for their illegal or improper use by such persons. Your Account and Subscription(s) are subject to the Agreement. You may not sell or charge others for the right to use your Account, or otherwise share or transfer your Account."
So im interested in something. If this agreement said that you sold your life to Gabe Newell, would you have known? If this agreement said that it was ok for the steam software to "acquire" all data on your computer, would you have known?
"(iv) in addition to the waivers and limitations of liability for all Steam Software under Section 9 below, you specifically acknowledge that Beta Software is not final and may create incompatibilities or damage to your computer, data, and/or software. If you decide to install and/or use Beta Software, it is entirely as your risk."
Did steam erase all your files? To bad, your not legally entitled to do jack shit now.
http://www.valvesoftware.com/privacy.htm
Did they just steal your sole? Oops, well to late now. Because they are legally entitled to.
Pressing the "I Accept" button, is the same as signing your signature on a legal document. Except you seem to think there is a difference.
Note - I in no way support this EULA Crap, its funny how almost all my previous posts on this forum, which relate to topics like these, are all fitting together like a puzzle, isnt it?
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005 23:05 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | dryan wrote: | | Like any game, you don't buy the game - you buy a license to use the game. Technically you can still sell this license like you would any other game by selling your account. |
Except you fail to see my, and everyone elses point. IT IS ILLEGAL. The EULA for steam even clearly states this. In fact, let me post it for you;
"You are entitled to use the Steam Software for your own use, but you are not entitled to: (i) sell, grant a security interest in or transfer reproductions of the Steam Software to other parties in any way, nor to rent, lease or license the Steam Software to others without the prior written consent of Valve"
Let me zoom in on a part of this, in case you cant see it.
"not entitled to: (i) sell, grant a security interest in or transfer reproductions of the Steam Software to other parties in any way"
http://steampowered.com/index.php?area=subscriber_agreement |
wow its illegal !!!
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 02:43 Post subject: |
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Um guys.. so your telling me that if Steam is down I cannot play my copy of Half Life 2 which I bought on my own friggin pc? Not even offline? If so wth?
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 02:57 Post subject: |
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| DarkerIntent wrote: | | Um guys.. so your telling me that if Steam is down I cannot play my copy of Half Life 2 which I bought on my own friggin pc? Not even offline? If so wth? |
Yes, exactly. What do you think happend just this weekend?
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 07:28 Post subject: |
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idea to run steam before you can play a game sux major ass...
if it would only be a option like checking updates and news then it would go but like it work now - hate that piece of shit. I bought hl2 (dunno why...but did it...support!? don't even like cs(s)-stone age mp...) and now I have to remember my account name and password etc. if I ever will install that crap again to get all the updates. Genious idea - make ppl update via steam - so they wont get the update files for later use=like normal patch exe...if they ever reinstall it...
imo - steam sux for those reasons...why they use steam? To prevent warez!? Yeah...like that did any good...only those that bought the game have to suffer... Well my f*cking last Valve game that I ever bought.....thx Valve.
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 07:47 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | DarkerIntent wrote: | | Um guys.. so your telling me that if Steam is down I cannot play my copy of Half Life 2 which I bought on my own friggin pc? Not even offline? If so wth? |
Yes, exactly. What do you think happend just this weekend? |
He certainly can play it offline when he register it once... doh..
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 21:53 Post subject: |
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| Mutantius wrote: | | Mchart wrote: | | DarkerIntent wrote: | | Um guys.. so your telling me that if Steam is down I cannot play my copy of Half Life 2 which I bought on my own friggin pc? Not even offline? If so wth? |
Yes, exactly. What do you think happend just this weekend? |
He certainly can play it offline when he register it once... doh.. |
Say that to thousands upon thousands of users who had the offline mode for the thing turned "on" yet when they went to play HL2 while steam was down, they could not play it.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 00:02 Post subject: |
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You're completely wrong. I've played HL2 in the past when I've been unable to connect to steam. When you open Steam it will say "Steam has been unable to connect bla bla bla" and it will give you a choice of either retrying the connection or starting in "Offline mode".
Im a cockfag
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 00:42 Post subject: |
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| dryan wrote: | | You're completely wrong. I've played HL2 in the past when I've been unable to connect to steam. When you open Steam it will say "Steam has been unable to connect bla bla bla" and it will give you a choice of either retrying the connection or starting in "Offline mode". |
Well I would agree with you, but when 10k+ users were not able to access their SINGLE PLAYER GAMES while steam was down, makes me beleive your wrong. You have allready been owned on this topic, what makes you beleive Ill change my mind now.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 01:06 Post subject: |
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| Cheez-It wrote: | | OK, not being able to resell your game is annoying, but not "illegal" You can't resell food you buy in a store, you can't resell a lot of things, it's up to the maker of the product to determine, not you. |
You can resell food, clothes, toys and anything else you would like. What can't be resold? Sex is the only thing I can come up with.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 01:08 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: |
Let me zoom in on a part of this, in case you cant see it.
"not entitled to: (i) sell, grant a security interest in or transfer reproductions of the Steam Software to other parties in any way"
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Funny how your zoomed in on it but fail to comprehend its meaning.
This means that you cannot sell copies of urine-soaked STEAM products.
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Dirtpaw
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 01:13 Post subject: |
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| dryan wrote: | | You're completely wrong. I've played HL2 in the past when I've been unable to connect to steam. When you open Steam it will say "Steam has been unable to connect bla bla bla" and it will give you a choice of either retrying the connection or starting in "Offline mode". |
You have to save your information in the settings dialog in steam to be able to play in offline mode. Not everone wants that.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 01:25 Post subject: |
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| sexyjesus wrote: | | Mchart wrote: |
Let me zoom in on a part of this, in case you cant see it.
"not entitled to: (i) sell, grant a security interest in or transfer reproductions of the Steam Software to other parties in any way"
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Funny how your zoomed in on it but fail to comprehend its meaning.
This means that you cannot sell copies of urine-soaked STEAM products.
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Take a look further down in my post. Regardless, my point is proven. I would also consider the steam accounts part of the steam software. So if You dont want to accept that, you still have the part which dirrectly applies to the steam accounts, and selling them being illegal.
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fisk
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 01:50 Post subject: |
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Mchart, you're a real piece of entertainment, aren't ya?
About as smart as those pictures that say: "If you're downloading Mp3:s, you're downloading communism!"
IT'S A GODDAMN TINY PIECE OF SOFTWARE! Get over it! ... "Sell your sole" ha-ha, yeah, I'll sell my sole in my left shoe, sounds really dangerous man!
Conspiracy-theorists are a lot of fun, especially when they're writing on nForce while smoking crack.
Chill baby! sexyjesus just tore you a new one, I guess we'll have twice the amount of bullshit coming out of you now.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 02:12 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | Mchart, you're a real piece of entertainment, aren't ya?
About as smart as those pictures that say: "If you're downloading Mp3:s, you're downloading communism!"
IT'S A GODDAMN TINY PIECE OF SOFTWARE! Get over it! ... "Sell your sole" ha-ha, yeah, I'll sell my sole in my left shoe, sounds really dangerous man!
Conspiracy-theorists are a lot of fun, especially when they're writing on nForce while smoking crack.
Chill baby! sexyjesus just tore you a new one, I guess we'll have twice the amount of bullshit coming out of you now. |
I fail to see how he "ripped me a new one" when my post clearly showed that selling your steam account is illegal. I love how your still stuck on the conspiracy theorist thing, it assures me that I was correct in my decision to no longer take what you post seriously anymore. Even though you have been proven wrong (by me, and several others) in many threads, you still continue on flaming every post I make. Your main argument? Im a wacko conspiracy theorist.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 02:43 Post subject: |
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| koolioy wrote: | | steam lovers are the real retards, they usully don't even know how to download updates manually. |
I was using cracked CSS & HL2 altough i have legal copys dlded via steam, cause expirienced some sluttering in legal copys then new updates came out i tried to use cracked update somehow it didn't worked so i tried
legal steam CSS & guess what sluterring no more so i didn't bothered to break my hea over cracking & continuing using steam
i'm not against steam but i don't realy liked so much,hell if it works why not,at the end any game need an update if there a glitch
but if there is no other way just don't use it & stop complaining about it cause u don't have enough money to afford it
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 02:48 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | dryan wrote: | | You're completely wrong. I've played HL2 in the past when I've been unable to connect to steam. When you open Steam it will say "Steam has been unable to connect bla bla bla" and it will give you a choice of either retrying the connection or starting in "Offline mode". |
Well I would agree with you, but when 10k+ users were not able to access their SINGLE PLAYER GAMES while steam was down, makes me beleive your wrong. You have allready been owned on this topic, what makes you beleive Ill change my mind now. |
Where exactly do you get this "10K+" users unable to access their SINGLE PLAYER GAMES?! http://www.omfgsteamrtehdev1l.com?
Hmmm...I wonder if there is a connection between your Doom fanboyism and your hatred of Steam/Valve?!
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hahe
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 03:07 Post subject: |
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| dryan wrote: | | Mchart wrote: | | dryan wrote: | | You're completely wrong. I've played HL2 in the past when I've been unable to connect to steam. When you open Steam it will say "Steam has been unable to connect bla bla bla" and it will give you a choice of either retrying the connection or starting in "Offline mode". |
Well I would agree with you, but when 10k+ users were not able to access their SINGLE PLAYER GAMES while steam was down, makes me beleive your wrong. You have allready been owned on this topic, what makes you beleive Ill change my mind now. |
Where exactly do you get this "10K+" users unable to access their SINGLE PLAYER GAMES?! http://www.omfgsteamrtehdev1l.com?
Hmmm...I wonder if there is a connection between your Doom fanboyism and your hatred of Steam/Valve?! |
Do some research, look for your self. Yes, beleive it or not almost all of the U.K. and many U.S. steam users were locked out of using their steam games because steam was down over the weekend. That is easily 10k+ users right there. And I dont care if its user error. The fact remains, they were unable to play HL2 singleplayer because steam was down.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 04:38 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: |
Do some research, look for your self. Yes, beleive it or not almost all of the U.K. and many U.S. steam users were locked out of using their steam games because steam was down over the weekend. That is easily 10k+ users right there. And I dont care if its user error. The fact remains, they were unable to play HL2 singleplayer because steam was down. |
I looked - I couldn't find anything. I'd appreciate if you could tell me your source. BTW, me and every single person I have asked has said they have had no problems playing their games.
Thanks.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 05:11 Post subject: |
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| dryan wrote: | | Mchart wrote: |
Do some research, look for your self. Yes, beleive it or not almost all of the U.K. and many U.S. steam users were locked out of using their steam games because steam was down over the weekend. That is easily 10k+ users right there. And I dont care if its user error. The fact remains, they were unable to play HL2 singleplayer because steam was down. |
I looked - I couldn't find anything. I'd appreciate if you could tell me your source. BTW, me and every single person I have asked has said they have had no problems playing their games.
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http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/59656
Not to mention you can go onto the steam forums, and find a thread with a crapload of posts with un-happy users. You can do the math, with unhappy users vs. users that did not get affected by the outage. Then take that percent and plug it into the total amount of copies of HL2 bought. Which is hard to say because no one knows how many copies have been sold through steam. But you can say around a max of 10 million copies.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 05:28 Post subject: |
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| dryan wrote: | I looked but I couldn't see a figure of "10,000" on that page  |
No, 10k was a LOW number I came up with after doing some math. 10 million users, at least 200+ complaints which were VOICED on the steam forums.
173,922 Steam Forum members, 200+ said they were having problems, this includes ONLY the downage time problems. (At least 500+ more posts which I have seen where people cant use steam for some other reason, because of connection issues) Then you take the 10+ million copies sold (assuming that 8 million copies (High Number, but possible) have been sold through steam, valve has said jack shit as to how much they have sold, but I imagine its a lot), and you get at least 10k.
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