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razor1394
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 Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 09:14 Post subject: Ion Storm |
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 09:46 Post subject: Re: Ion Storm |
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| razor1394 wrote: | Seems like we won't see any Deus Ex 2.  . Very sad news indeed.
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Joystiq has learned that Ion Storm, the developer of the Thief and Deus Ex series, may be closing its doors. Warren Spector, the company’s lead man, left the house back in November, but the fate of the team there has been up in the air. If true, it will be a great loss to the gaming community. Deus Ex 2 wasn’t the hit they were hoping it would be, but the quality of their titles has been exceptional from the beginning. We’ll keep you posted, as details emerge.
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Damn...
It's shit like this that makes me feel bad to warez...
They were really a great studio... I personally loved the last 2 games (sure, they were buggy as hell, but they had better graphics than most games of the time, and the gameplay was great).
This is really a sad day. I'd honestly rather see a serial whore like Digital Extremes shut down than these guys... at least they were trying to do something other than just improve gfx in games and decrease the amount of intelligence required to play. |
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fisk
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 09:57 Post subject: |
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It's a fact that the successor to Deus Ex was console crap.
Console crap does not sell.
It is likely that since the console crap did not sell, Ion storm will close down.
And it is a probable reason for Warren Spector leaving a sinking ship, despite being part of the reason it sank.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 10:06 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | It's a fact that the successor to Deus Ex was console crap.
Console crap does not sell.
It is likely that since the console crap did not sell, Ion storm will close down.
And it is a probable reason for Warren Spector leaving a sinking ship, despite being part of the reason it sank. |
"console crap" or not, DXIW was one of the better games I had played in a long time, and it had gfx that were WAY above those in other games of the time. This was the time when the PC's GFX capabilities were still =< XBOX. I don't know what you mean by "console crap", but besides the bugs and a few strictly "console" features, like HUD design, which I found innovative, this game should have been GOTY... I enjoyed it far more than I did, say, Unreal II. |
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vurt
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 11:04 Post subject: |
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Very sad indeed, Thief 3 is one of the best gaming experinces i've had.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 11:24 Post subject: |
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This is a shame.
Deus Ex and Thief 3 are really good games, and it's a pitty the developers might close down
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 11:37 Post subject: |
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Too bad.
I sure hope Eidos will prevent this eventually.
It doesn't matter how DE:IW came out in the end, cause everyone here can tell this firm had a lot of potential to make future quality titles.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 11:58 Post subject: |
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| Accelleron wrote: |
"console crap" or not, DXIW was one of the better games I had played in a long time, and it had gfx that were WAY above those in other games of the time. This was the time when the PC's GFX capabilities were still =< XBOX. I don't know what you mean by "console crap", but besides the bugs and a few strictly "console" features, like HUD design, which I found innovative, this game should have been GOTY... I enjoyed it far more than I did, say, Unreal II. |
are we talking about the same game? DXIW was quality wise a huge step down from Deus Ex One. The gfx was mediocre, the levels tiny, which meant a lot of loooong loading screens. It had only a smal percentage of the freedom the first DX had. And seriously, the time when XBOX => PC was long gone gefore that. If your looking for a game with GOTY quality, you should have taken a look at Gothic 2.
/me out
some n00b
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 13:07 Post subject: |
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I thought the graphics were excellent if you had a machine capable of running them at full. But the constant loading totally ruined it, especially how small the areas were. Thats because of the xbox's lack of RAM.
They also dumbed down the game a whole lot of make is more accessible to console gamers.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 13:22 Post subject: |
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damn !!!
THIEF 3 was soooooo good !!!!
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 17:02 Post subject: |
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i always felt that the thief series could have benefited from a 3rd person view, that's why i didn't bother with the 3rd one.
I really liked the first Deus Ex, even if i didn't play that much, but i heard so many bad things about the 2nd that i didn't bother.
it's always bad to see a developer go tits up, but shit happens
jesus, captain, they're SS
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Ize
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 17:22 Post subject: Re: Ion Storm |
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 17:30 Post subject: |
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The console shit they pulled with DE2 ruined the entire game imo.
| Raptor51 wrote: | | And seriously, the time when XBOX => PC was long gone gefore that. |
I concur.
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HubU
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 17:54 Post subject: |
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Thief I+II+III = TEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ROX
Deus Ex = idem
IW =TEHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SUX
So bad
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." ~Berthold Auerbach
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 17:55 Post subject: |
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| Z0Bman wrote: | Thief I+II+III = TEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ROX
Deus Ex = idem
IW =TEHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SUX
So bad |
i got the german dvd version without 99 % of bugs and with a lot more textures !!!!
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 18:03 Post subject: |
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Well what can I say; WarreZ Spector is a fucking asshole just take him up in the ass that fucker!. Mr Game wanna be. Only fucking thing he can do is make up the setting for a game the rest he can't do; no programming, no mangement etc. This is HIS second studio he leaves he's just a fucking caward that doesn't understand that u cannot just start a gamecompany and enjoy the company's money. If you want to start a company you have to work hard for it not run away like a fucking chicken!
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 18:27 Post subject: |
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| HeroMan wrote: | | Well what can I say; WarreZ Spector is a fucking asshole just take him up in the ass that fucker!. Mr Game wanna be. Only fucking thing he can do is make up the setting for a game the rest he can't do; no programming, no mangement etc. This is HIS second studio he leaves he's just a fucking caward that doesn't understand that u cannot just start a gamecompany and enjoy the company's money. If you want to start a company you have to work hard for it not run away like a fucking chicken! |
Amen.
dust.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 21:07 Post subject: |
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I'd like to give my two cents on the issue.
Deus Ex was and still is quite simply one of the best games to grace the PC. Granted, it had its flaws (some quirky AI), but in the end the overall feel it imparted on the player (the "experience" if you will), for me at least, was something no game has come close to in recent years.
What they did to Deus Ex 2 was a fucking travesty. They paraded the title around like a two dollar whore for all, and it was pretty much destroyed by doing so. Universal Ammo, Console Loading Zones, shallow character development, and no "feel" whatsoever (I loved the setting and premise of the original).
Don't get me wrong, I understand how those who never played the original can see the sequel as a good title, but when taking the original into account, its pretty much a fucking leap backwards.
Now , to my point....
Ion Storm (under Eidos' thumb), followed the beckons for a multiplatform release. Instead of fighting to preserve what made the original great, they said fuck it, and developed the sequel with the mass market in mind. They went from being a respectable developer to a publishers whore in the span of one title.
Its sad to see them go, but they had it coming.
Turn your back on your fans and your chief title, all in the name of appeasing the suits and raking in the cash, and this is what you get.
It is unfortunate that a lot of good talent will be going with them, whereas the chief motherfuckers to blame for this whole mess don't suffer at all (how like life eh?), but its the way things happen.
Hopefully (although doubtful) their downfall will at least impart some sense of loyalty to other developers commiting the same mistake.
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fisk
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 21:33 Post subject: |
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| Immunity wrote: | I'd like to give my two cents on the issue.
Deus Ex was and still is quite simply one of the best games to grace the PC. Granted, it had its flaws (some quirky AI), but in the end the overall feel it imparted on the player (the "experience" if you will), for me at least, was something no game has come close to in recent years.
What they did to Deus Ex 2 was a fucking travesty. They paraded the title around like a two dollar whore for all, and it was pretty much destroyed by doing so. Universal Ammo, Console Loading Zones, shallow character development, and no "feel" whatsoever (I loved the setting and premise of the original).
Don't get me wrong, I understand how those who never played the original can see the sequel as a good title, but when taking the original into account, its pretty much a fucking leap backwards.
Now , to my point....
Ion Storm (under Eidos' thumb), followed the beckons for a multiplatform release. Instead of fighting to preserve what made the original great, they said fuck it, and developed the sequel with the mass market in mind. They went from being a respectable developer to a publishers whore in the span of one title.
Its sad to see them go, but they had it coming.
Turn your back on your fans and your chief title, all in the name of appeasing the suits and raking in the cash, and this is what you get.
It is unfortunate that a lot of good talent will be going with them, whereas the chief motherfuckers to blame for this whole mess don't suffer at all (how like life eh?), but its the way things happen.
Hopefully (although doubtful) their downfall will at least impart some sense of loyalty to other developers commiting the same mistake. |
That, and what Animalmother wrote sums up what I mean by "console crap"
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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vurt
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 21:38 Post subject: Re: Ion Storm |
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| Ize wrote: | thief 3 = ditto
they destroyed 2 great game series [/rant] |
In what way did they destroy Thief 3 ? The areas were just as big (well ok, same size) as games like HL2, the controlls were great but they needed some tweaking (took -10 seconds to do). Thief1-2 are very linear in comparison and arent half as good imho.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 21:58 Post subject: |
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| ezrollers wrote: | i always felt that the thief series could have benefited from a 3rd person view, that's why i didn't bother with the 3rd one.
I really liked the first Deus Ex, even if i didn't play that much, but i heard so many bad things about the 2nd that i didn't bother.
it's always bad to see a developer go tits up, but shit happens |
Are you serious? One of Thief 3's well publicised features was it's third person view.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 22:03 Post subject: Re: Ion Storm |
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| vurt wrote: | | Ize wrote: | thief 3 = ditto
they destroyed 2 great game series [/rant] |
In what way did they destroy Thief 3 ? The areas were just as big (well ok, same size) as games like HL2, the controlls were great but they needed some tweaking (took -10 seconds to do). Thief1-2 are very linear in comparison and arent half as good imho. |
Haha, the first two thief games were massively superior. Especially in the atmosphere department.
Oh wait, you're the guy who said Doom 3 looks like shit. That explains it.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 22:13 Post subject: Re: Ion Storm |
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| Quote: | Damn...
It's shit like this that makes me feel bad to warez... |
the lead man left the company... people switch jobs and employers all the time... why would u blame this on warez versions?
meh, none of them games really did it for me
Turn Down That Awful Music!
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2005 23:26 Post subject: |
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very sad news indeed, no matter how bad Deus Ex 2 was, I still would've like to see a 3rd...ohh well, mabey they should shut down after trying to pawn thAt console piece of shit Deus Ex 2 on us.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 00:10 Post subject: Re: Ion Storm |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | vurt wrote: | | Ize wrote: | thief 3 = ditto
they destroyed 2 great game series [/rant] |
In what way did they destroy Thief 3 ? The areas were just as big (well ok, same size) as games like HL2, the controlls were great but they needed some tweaking (took -10 seconds to do). Thief1-2 are very linear in comparison and arent half as good imho. |
Haha, the first two thief games were massively superior. Especially in the atmosphere department.
Oh wait, you're the guy who said Doom 3 looks like shit. That explains it. |
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Somehow alot of people think that Thief2 is alot better than Thief3, though i have only played Thief3 and I can't say it was something special i uninstalled the game after 2 hours of gaming spread over 3 days.... |
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