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nouseforaname
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nouseforaname
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Well ... I thought the Godfather movies were better than their literary counterpart ... and what about Hitchcock? He did great work with other's short stories. Add to that the filmmaking of Kubrick? How about One Flew Over the Cuckoo's nest? That was at least as good as the book. There's also plenty more ...
... although I'm not trying to downplay the importance of literature ... but to say that philosophy can't come through in film? I disagree. Why am I up at 5:30 in the morning writing this? I just watched City of God for the first time and I can't even think about going to sleep with the images of the movie running through my head ...
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2005 11:38 Post subject: |
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jurassic park (the book) is better then the film  
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2005 12:53 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | but to say that philosophy can't come through in film? |
I said rarely. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. There are many more 'failures' when it comes to the adaptations of books. Understand that i'm not referring to the failure to create a good film though.
The fact is, if the books are any good, the film usually cannot compare. It's easy to create a films plot based on a short story, I see no magic there.
Even though the LotR's films were fantastic, they still did not capture the philosophy of war present in the book.
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2005 13:30 Post subject: |
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nouseforaname, perhaps its because you re getting older and have a more selective taste in movies. There is a lot of repetitiveness and really groundbreaking movies only surface every five to 10 years. I dont think its a bad idea to have shitty movies released all the time as alot of people like to see an old concept over and over again. It just makes the searching harder for people who actually want to see something new.
I d say that with the lower and lower prices for good cameras, the b-movies will be getting better and better in the future and the overall quality and diversity of movies will broaden. At least thats what i hope for...
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2005 17:02 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | How about One Flew Over the Cuckoo's nest? That was at least as good as the book. |
I have to agree with that. Luckily i read the book before seeing the movie. But literature has such a great advantage in that it can be lengthier and include more detail all the while leaving certain aspects up to your imagination. That's not to say I dont like to kill a few hours on a movie but a vast majority of the time it cannot compare to the book/short story. |
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2005 17:18 Post subject: |
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"Well ... I thought the Godfather movies were better than their literary counterpart"
eek how can you say that!!! great movie but...
How about the LOTR? Book - 1000 times better.
I don't think there has ever been a good book that's spawned a better movie. there have been bad books, but that's about it...
excellent point with i robot, you have no idea how pissed i was when I saw the preview for that. poor asimov.
And starship troopers? anyone here read that? sure it was just a sci fi book, but it was great, and they butchered it.
book have always been and will continue to be far better than their movie counter-parts. (in my opinion)
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2005 18:35 Post subject: |
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| Cheez-It wrote: |
I don't think there has ever been a good book that's spawned a better movie. there have been bad books, but that's about it... |
I don't know. I enjoyed the movie for Fight Club more than the book.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2005 18:48 Post subject: |
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Now, I know I'm going to get stoned (sic) for this - but I say literature is overestimated.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2005 19:11 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | Now, I know I'm going to get stoned (sic) for this - but I say literature is overestimated. |
Well it's all relative. Some people just can't be bothered with reading, or they get bored easily or they have no imagination etc...
If you enjoy books then you'll know that hardly any movies live up to their literary counterparts.
I enjoy both movies and books immensely, and I can't say I prefer one over the other, it depends what mood i'm in. There are plenty of movies not based on books.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2005 19:13 Post subject: |
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| hahe wrote: | | Cheez-It wrote: |
I don't think there has ever been a good book that's spawned a better movie. there have been bad books, but that's about it... |
I don't know. I enjoyed the movie for Fight Club more than the book. |
I can imagine that the book could have been confusing.
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2005 21:43 Post subject: |
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| hahe wrote: | | I don't know. I enjoyed the movie for Fight Club more than the book. |
I'd agree with that. I picked up Fight Club after I had read another Palahniuk novel, Survivor, and didn't even finish reading it. It just wasn't as good as the movie ... it was actually really similar .. and at only 200 skimpy pages it didn't really add anything.
Survivor was a really great book, and I also believe it is going to be made into a movie as well.
As to this whole book vs movie debate that started ... that wasn't really what I was ranting about to begin with (although it does make for good conversation). I was more or less stating my dissapointment in the way that film studios pander to a younger audience, and that they're ruining cinema in the process.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Jan 2005 08:37 Post subject: |
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Because it is a terrific thriller and succeeds at what it was supposed to. 
I still believe the whole sell of the script was
"A little girl slowly opens the door. It creaks. She looks around and goes very quietly in her childish high pitched voice "come out come out where ever you are" it WILL sell! It’s terrifying! COME ON!!!!"
fuck man... movies like this should never be made... I want to know the ending... is she the killer or is her invisible friend the killer or is Robbie Deniro the killer and he zones out an goes as her 'friend' an they play around.
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year, running over the same old ground. What have we found? The same old fears. Wish you were here.
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Jan 2005 08:54 Post subject: |
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HAHAHAHAH I knew it would be that one!
Fuck thanks though  Must be a great twist he goes and kills someone and then glances at his own reflection... his daughter goes charlie? and he goes what? Realizes he's the killer finishes off the current kill  they skip town and start all over again 
wait no it's an American movie... deniro finds out he's charlie by trying to kill the woman interested in deniro... so deniro fights him self saves the woman and kills him self... the woman takes care of the child... and charlie no longer prowls the streets... yeah yeah thas about it AM I FAR OFF?
Haha but still DAMN :’( all recent thrillers suck
'predictible'
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year, running over the same old ground. What have we found? The same old fears. Wish you were here.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Jan 2005 09:43 Post subject: |
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| Injurious wrote: | HAHAHAHAH I knew it would be that one!
Fuck thanks though Must be a great twist he goes and kills someone and then glances at his own reflection... his daughter goes charlie? and he goes what? Realizes he's the killer finishes off the current kill they skip town and start all over again
wait no it's an American movie... deniro finds out he's charlie by trying to kill the woman interested in deniro... so deniro fights him self saves the woman and kills him self... the woman takes care of the child... and charlie no longer prowls the streets... yeah yeah thas about it AM I FAR OFF?
Haha but still DAMN :’( all recent thrillers suck
'predictible' |
There are a few good recent thrillers.
The ending of "Saw" comes to mind. The movie sucked, yes, but I did not expect the ending. I almost sympathised with the killer: an intelligent guy taken by a fatal disease, he appreciates life... but everyone around him does not. Add a bit of mental disorder, and I can easily identify with the guy....
If Shyalaman's Village hadn't been made on a $20 budget, it could have been good. As it was, decent. But, once again, the twist was somewhat unexpected (you could have figured it out, but I was too immersed to try).
EDIT: I picked a piss-poor example. Fuhgeddabouddit.
If I want art, I prefer to read books. That is in my opinion art. If I just want to be entertained for a few hours, I find movies to suffice. A few exceptions come to mind where the movie was art, and was worth watching (LOTR), but your average movie just isn't meant to go that far, and with good reason. |
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005 21:11 Post subject: |
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| Cheez-It wrote: | How about the LOTR? Book - 1000 times better.
book have always been and will continue to be far better than their movie counter-parts. (in my opinion) |
I don't think its fair to judge books vs. movies because there is a huge difference in how the information is presented and the time factor involved. If Pete Jackson had made the movies exactly like the books, they would have been far longer than 4 hours (extended edition) each and it would be impossible to show them at theaters. If you want the full story of LOTR, read the books. If you want a very nice cliff-notes type of glimpse into the LOTR world with beautiful graphics and music and without the time investment of reading the books, the movies are great for that. I would imagine that many who read the LOTR books also watched the movies, and many who saw the LOTR movies were inspired to read the books to find out more.
I think the best example would be the Dune movie vs. the Dune mini-series on Sci-Fi. The movie couldn't convey the book well at all due to theater time constraints, whereas the mini-series stayed very consistant to the book. The problem is, who wants to watch a 6 hour film (i.e. if the mini-series went to theaters)? I think the same thing happened to Alexander (though not based on a book to my knowledge), in that there was too much information to be conveyed and it ended up a disjointed mess that often focused on the less-interesting parts of his life. Show me Alexander using his army to defeat the Greeks and force them into submission, don't show me Alexander looking at paintings of the gods on a cave wall! 
Nouseforaname, As for pandering to get an audience, that's just the business of making movies. As budgets grow larger and larger, these movie studios want surer and surer bets. If they have information that a certain demographic is attending more of their films, then they'll put out movies for that demographic. It seems like the same thing is happening in the music industry.
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Jan 2005 22:32 Post subject: |
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siddharta good point, i just didnt like some of the liberties jackson took with his changes and weird stuff...
whoever said they liked fight club the movie better than the book: note i said "good book" fight club seems like it would be a pretty crappy book 
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